The offense under Dak is definitely something else

[CowboysFaninHouston]

A good team would have sent us packing after the first half, Dak needs to be better for us to beat good teams.

we played Giants, Vikings, two good teams...they got sent packing.

your understanding of NFL football lacks.

 

[Whirlwin]

Remember what Leo Durocher said
Tom Brady is not a nice guy; Rodgers is not a nice guy; Very few SB winning QBs are hail fellow well met types
There is a reason for that

Who cares he sucks

 

[Whirlwin]

This is laughable.

Find a respected coach in this league that agrees with you .

Just look at the idiot, that agreed with you

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I understand what you’re saying saying but disagree. The reason I am down on Dak is simply because he is inconsistent. THAT’S the forest. I’m not trying to make this about individual plays but instead using examples to show how overall Dak played a lackluster game so people don’t equate a win with a good game. Heck, Mike White looked better yesterday despite the Jets loss.

I mean come on….He’s had 7 games this year
1) AWFUL against the Bucs
2) Decent against the Lions
3) Good against the Bears
4) AWFUL (maybe worst game ever) against Packers
5) AMAZING against the Vikings
6) Good against the Giants
6) Lackluster against the Colts

They will need to win 4 games in a row against good teams to win a SB. Where is the consistency shown that will get us there? Dak is allowed to have bad games, but they seem to happen every other game.

I would argue people praising Dak just because we win is missing the forest. The Colts are bad, man. If Dak plays like this is in playoffs….done.

he is at times inconsistent. sometimes within a game, sometimes from game to game.

all QBs have bad throws. all QBs have good throws. good ones have more good throws than bad.....and as you said more consistent.

and I don't think the game against GB was the worst game ever. that's being a drama queen. we scored 28 points. you score 28 points even when you have played bad, you are good. usually when you play the worst ever, you don't score much (see Indy game from 4 years ago, with 0 points). up by 14 in the 4th. for all intent and purposes. when you boast a top 10 defense that game should be a wrap. I get the people putting the onus of every win on Offense and subsequently on Dak. perhaps an extra first down or two in the 4th would have sealed the deal. but then again you get a first down and it gets called back because of lining up wrong, or stupid holding penalty.... I can understand why you blame Dak for that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The problem with you Dak fanboys is illustrated by this moronic post
Interceptions will kill a team
Ask Brett Favre's team mates on his last few teams about that

yeah, Parcells is really stupid. he knows nothing about football. how dare does Parcells make a statement like that. the stupid stupid idiot that he is.

that was not a general statement he made about a season. but a specific game. he wanted Simms to play aggressive and take chances...that was his point.

but leave it to a Dak hater just to get their shorts tied in a knot..

you missed the forest because of the trees my friend. keep on hating.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

fanatics are funny
you do make me laugh

haters are funnier. you make me pee my pants laughing

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

you call it hate I call it being pragmatic
Your crazy claims that interceptions don't matter and that teams fear Dak are so idiotic.

no its hate. nothing pragmatic was said.

I never said interceptions don't matter. they do.....you missed the forest beause of the trees...

 

[terra]

no its hate. nothing pragmatic was said.

I never said interceptions don't matter. they do.....you missed the forest beause of the trees...

Since I am bored right now I will take a minute and educate you

Look at the last 20 SB Winning QB season stats.
Then at their TD/INT ratio.
then come back to me about how interceptions are no big deal

 

[DogFace]

That absolutely did not happen. What we said is Dalton could do the same thing as Dak in the same offense as Dak, with the same players. Dalton didn’t play with a single starting OL that year, except Once with Zach Martin in the Giants game and he did exactly what Dak did that game.

What we did see is Cooper Rush was 4-1 with the same players and MOORe was using way less 3 WR sets and throwing way less on early downs.

And Rush pretty much played EXACTLY like Dak did against the Giants this year.

I’d like you to consider a self imposed suspension @PAPPYDOG style.

Thank you.

 

[lukin2006]

 

[starfan1]

I still rather have him than a choke Mahomes. The big crybaby I’ll take Prescott any day.

Dude Im a dak fan but thats an insane take. While I dont think Patrick would have as much success here as in KC I think id take him. He is clearly more talented than dak and I hate mahomes and the chiefs. I just dont know why folks cant enjoy the team without the constant *****ing bout the QB. Ok dak isnt Mahomes or Rogers but hes good enough to win with and thats all that matters to me.

I agree though Patrick is a crybaby

 

[shabazz]

The 4th quarter was epic.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Since I am bored right now I will take a minute and educate you

Look at the last 20 SB Winning QB season stats.
Then at their TD/INT ratio.
then come back to me about how interceptions are no big deal

OMG, you missed the forest because of the trees. you are so singularly and narrow focused on just what you want to say.

so let me educate you, get you outside of the weeds that you have gone into and teach you what Parcells meant. his statement went way above your head and you got yourself in a tizzy

he didn't mean for him to go out and throw interceptions...his point was to go out and play aggressive. make plays. because he saw that as the main chance for them to win.

geez dude, you are so lost. so amateurish. stick to watching Jr. High School football. more about your level of football

 

[starfan1]

Imagine falling asleep at half time and missing the fireworks.

 

[McMicah]

he is at times inconsistent. sometimes within a game, sometimes from game to game.

all QBs have bad throws. all QBs have good throws. good ones have more good throws than bad.....and as you said more consistent.

and I don't think the game against GB was the worst game ever. that's being a drama queen. we scored 28 points. you score 28 points even when you have played bad, you are good. usually when you play the worst ever, you don't score much (see Indy game from 4 years ago, with 0 points). up by 14 in the 4th. for all intent and purposes. when you boast a top 10 defense that game should be a wrap. I get the people putting the onus of every win on Offense and subsequently on Dak. perhaps an extra first down or two in the 4th would have sealed the deal. but then again you get a first down and it gets called back because of lining up wrong, or stupid holding penalty.... I can understand why you blame Dak for that.

Context matters man. Maybe statistically the Bucs game was his worst, but against GB he got the ball at mid field due to Turpin to start the game and then another greater return later. He also got the ball on the GB 15 due to a turnover. He had multiple plays where his inaccuracy cost the drive. There was even a WR screen (a screen mind you) where the WR had to dive to catch it.

Id encourage anyone to go back and watch that game. Yeah we scored 28 points…but context matters. For example, we scored 54 points this week, so Dak must’ve balled out right? The only QBs that threw for less yards this week were Mariota, Tannehill, and Watson

 

[Ken]

It looked pretty dam good under rush too. Helps when the defense scores td's along with turnovers.

We were 23rd in scoring and 27th in yards when Dak came back.

What are you talking about?

We are now....3rd in scoring and 11th in yards..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Context matters man. Maybe statistically the Bucs game was his worst, but against GB he got the ball at mid field due to Turpin to start the game and then another greater return later. He also got the ball on the GB 15 due to a turnover. He had multiple plays where his inaccuracy cost the drive. There was even a WR screen (a screen mind you) where the WR had to dive to catch it.

Id encourage anyone to go back and watch that game. Yeah we scored 28 points…but context matters. For example, we scored 54 points this week, so Dak must’ve balled out right? The only QBs that threw for less yards this week were Mariota, Tannehill, and Watson

again, you can't scruitinize eveyr drive and demand perfection. I bet if you watch every other NFL game, its going to be similar. rarely there is a perfect match to anyone's opinion type of game anywhere....the end result is we scored 28 points. bottom line. if the complaint is we should have scored 35. then so be it. all this means iis that we are putting the onus of winning on offense only.

and I didn't say Dak balled out because we scored 54..... he balled out against Minn. no denying that. he played decent last night. the offense finding its high gear in the fourth, but people are complaining why wasn't 3rd quarter better.

if you want to complain, there is always something you can find. because no game is ever perfect. and thanks for proving my point, you found one throw to complain about. a WR having to dive because of a bad pass on a screen. because God knows no othertop 10 QB ever thrown a bad pass. a pass they should routinely throw, yet they botch it. I mean no one!!!

 

[McMicah]

again, you can't scruitinize eveyr drive and demand perfection. I bet if you watch every other NFL game, its going to be similar. rarely there is a perfect match to anyone's opinion type of game anywhere....the end result is we scored 28 points. bottom line. if the complaint is we should have scored 35. then so be it. all this means iis that we are putting the onus of winning on offense only.

and I didn't say Dak balled out because we scored 54..... he balled out against Minn. no denying that. he played decent last night. the offense finding its high gear in the fourth, but people are complaining why wasn't 3rd quarter better.

if you want to complain, there is always something you can find. because no game is ever perfect. and thanks for proving my point, you found one throw to complain about. a WR having to dive because of a bad pass on a screen. because God knows no othertop 10 QB ever thrown a bad pass. a pass they should routinely throw, yet they botch it. I mean no one!!!

It’s a catch 22 man. If I speak in generalities, I get asked for examples, if I give examples, I am a nitpicker. I will gladly speak in generalities, then.

Dak is an outstanding leader and has many other intangibles that owners and coaches want in a team leader.

He is also an average quarterback with below average arm talent and pocket presence. He is not worth $40M. He is unfortunately inconsistent season to season, game to game, quarter to quarter, drive to drive. He has had the privilege of operating with outstanding surrounding talent, which makes him look better than he is (clean pocket, meaningless spectacular catches, etc).

His experience and trust in his team allows him to have good control of the offense, but when he drops back it’s a flip of a coin. He rarely throws with anticipation (likely due to lack of confidence in accuracy, which I appreciate the self-awareness at least), and struggles to hit receivers in stride even on drag routes. His deep balls only have about a 30% chance of being catchable, which is why he rarely does it. He is capable of catching fire and playing lights out football (Minnesota), but seems to balance those moments/games out with poor play the very next game. I will say he is excellent in play action bootlegs most of the time.

I think he frustrates his own receivers due to late or inaccurate throws that limit YAC and get them hit at the catch point more often than necessary. I think the offense playbook is tailored really well by Moore to account for all of these flaws.

He rarely elevates the team, the team more often elevates him (e.g. 4th qtr of IND game. He had virtually nothing to do with that)

Due to all of this and his salary he will be the QB of this team for a long time and I will root for him every game, but I also believe the reasons he was picked in the 4th round are still limitations for him today and will continue to limit him in the future.

Now ask for examples and let the vicious cycle begin lol

 

[Runwildboys]

Kellen Moore sucks. Getting it in early.

I think you're thinking of Garrett.

 

[nobody]

I remember a story about Parcells. in one game they needed to be aggressive offensively and he told Phil Simms, if he doesn't throw two interceptions today, you are not playing hard.

the problem is Dak is under microscope of the dak detractors, he has to be 100% perfect in every throw, every pass play or else he will get scrutnized to death. just ask @khiladi

I'm okay with last night's interceptions. It's showing Dak is being more aggressive when he needs to be and is shaking off the timidity that appeared after his injury last year. I think mentally he's back and the Cowboys are better for it.