The offense under Dak is definitely something else

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The offense is #1 in the league with Dak. I really don’t know what more people want. Obviously perfection is the only thing that would please them.
To be fair, I'd like to see him throw to a wide open Lamb 20 yards downfield on third and long, than to see him throw underneath to Zeke. I'd also like to see him throw fewer balls way behind the receiver or way above them. In the first half, he was Wild Thing, throwing it anywhere but over the plate. He definitely got better, but he needs to reign that in if they're to beat better teams.
 

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It’s a catch 22 man. If I speak in generalities, I get asked for examples, if I give examples, I am a nitpicker. I will gladly speak in generalities, then.

Dak is an outstanding leader and has many other intangibles that owners and coaches want in a team leader.

He is also an average quarterback with below average arm talent and pocket presence. He is not worth $40M. He is unfortunately inconsistent season to season, game to game, quarter to quarter, drive to drive. He has had the privilege of operating with outstanding surrounding talent, which makes him look better than he is (clean pocket, meaningless spectacular catches, etc).

His experience and trust in his team allows him to have good control of the offense, but when he drops back it’s a flip of a coin. He rarely throws with anticipation (likely due to lack of confidence in accuracy, which I appreciate the self-awareness at least), and struggles to hit receivers in stride even on drag routes. His deep balls only have about a 30% chance of being catchable, which is why he rarely does it. He is capable of catching fire and playing lights out football (Minnesota), but seems to balance those moments/games out with poor play the very next game. I will say he is excellent in play action bootlegs most of the time.

I think he frustrates his own receivers due to late or inaccurate throws that limit YAC and get them hit at the catch point more often than necessary. I think the offense playbook is tailored really well by Moore to account for all of these flaws.

He rarely elevates the team, the team more often elevates him (e.g. 4th qtr of IND game. He had virtually nothing to do with that)

Due to all of this and his salary he will be the QB of this team for a long time and I will root for him every game, but I also believe the reasons he was picked in the 4th round are still limitations for him today and will continue to limit him in the future.

Now ask for examples and let the vicious cycle begin lol
I can give an example of Mahomes having bad throws...then say I am speaking in generalities. before you hop on the comment that I am comapring Dak to Mahomes, I am not. Mahomes is by far the best QB in the league and perhaps generational.

and you bring up and example, to make a case for generalities. that's how nitpicking works. I never said he is perfect. in fact I have said on multiple occasions that he needs to be more consistent. he has periods,, games that he is lights out and great, then he makes some throws that make you scratch you head, and its not just one or two, its several.....but overall he has more good throws than bad throws.

and the cowboys offense went from 20 something, average struggling offense to now #1 in the league. my apologies for not scoring in every quarter at the pace you like to meet your expectations, that's not how NFL games work...its not realistic.

so he is not a difference maker in your mind, yet, cowboys offense just got elevated significantly. I am sure there are excuses to be written as to why the offense isn't good, its because vikings are over rated and they were tired (yes, somebody actually said, their defense was tired, that's why we did good) and that Giants are over rated and this and that....

and btw, the interception he threw against GB, the one against Indy were because he was anticipating the WR making the cut, being there, making a play. the throws were made before the WR made the cut but you say he doesn't throw with anticipation, probably because he doesn't do it 100% of the time...it has to be 100% of else its failed!!!

also not sure about your comment of 30% of his deep balls being catachable...based on what? eye test? and how does that compare to the rest of the league? are you measuring it in a silo? the silo that's built based upon your expectations? what's your expectations of deep ball being catchable? does the WR bear any responsibility for being open and not allow the DBs get intot heir bodies and break the pass? I mean this is a great example of people making comments, without anything to show why they made that comment except the eye test and again, doing it in a silo.

he is playing like a top 10 QB. outside of the elite QBs, all other QBs have flaws. better ones make more good plays than bad. his salary is about the range of a top 10 QB. but in some fans mind, 40M means elite and he has to play at an Elite level and he is not elite.

and in the 4th quarter of Indy game, in the first minute or so we continued a drive from previous quarter. scored a td in the first couple of minutes and put the game out of hand. after that, it was teeing off on Ryan and just running the ball to finish the game...what else do you expect? in fact, although it was an interceptions, one of the drives in the 4th started on Dallas 28....are you going to complain that it doesn't count because it didn't start at the 18!!!

and I don't think his WRs are frustrated. not sure where you get that from, but perhaps that's another eye test thingy
 

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I'm okay with last night's interceptions. It's showing Dak is being more aggressive when he needs to be and is shaking off the timidity that appeared after his injury last year. I think mentally he's back and the Cowboys are better for it.
I am never ok with Interceptions. but there is Rush, overly conservative. don't push the ball down field. only make safe throws....that works if the defense can do what they did and keep opponents to about 16 points a game. but even then, that stops working, since against the hapless Rams we scored 13 offensive points essentially. and next game got owned by the eagles..... the walls started crumbling..... but you play aggressive you will make some plays and time to time you make bad plays.....but at least you make big plays.
 

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Dude Im a dak fan but thats an insane take. While I dont think Patrick would have as much success here as in KC I think id take him. He is clearly more talented than dak and I hate mahomes and the chiefs. I just dont know why folks cant enjoy the team without the constant *****ing bout the QB. Ok dak isnt Mahomes or Rogers but hes good enough to win with and thats all that matters to me.

I agree though Patrick is a crybaby
Everyone knows I am not a Patrick Mahomes fan I would take just about anyone over him. I can’t stand the crybaby.
 

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You can't have a football conversation with anyone that contends a QB's 170 yards on a poor 5.7 YPA and multiple efforts at bad interceptions was the impetus, or even a major contributing factor, to 54 points.
 

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I am never ok with Interceptions. but there is Rush, overly conservative. don't push the ball down field. only make safe throws....that works if the defense can do what they did and keep opponents to about 16 points a game. but even then, that stops working, since against the hapless Rams we scored 13 offensive points essentially. and next game got owned by the eagles..... the walls started crumbling..... but you play aggressive you will make some plays and time to time you make bad plays.....but at least you make big plays.

I'm okay because of two things: it was a blow out win but also because it's showing that whatever was wrong with Dak mentally he's overcoming... do I want him to keep throwing interceptions? of course not. But I took this as a sign that he's finally recovered.
 

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Everyone knows I am not a Patrick Mahomes fan I would take just about anyone over him. I can’t stand the crybaby.
and that is why you fail to be worth listening to. I don't like Rodgers or Brady; but I would take them as our QB (if they were a few years younger) then Dak and so would anyone with a brain.
Mahoomes is still fairly young; I am willing to let him have more time to mature but only a true football idiot would not want him as our QB over Dak.
 

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I can give an example of Mahomes having bad throws...then say I am speaking in generalities. before you hop on the comment that I am comapring Dak to Mahomes, I am not. Mahomes is by far the best QB in the league and perhaps generational.

and you bring up and example, to make a case for generalities. that's how nitpicking works. I never said he is perfect. in fact I have said on multiple occasions that he needs to be more consistent. he has periods,, games that he is lights out and great, then he makes some throws that make you scratch you head, and its not just one or two, its several.....but overall he has more good throws than bad throws.

and the cowboys offense went from 20 something, average struggling offense to now #1 in the league. my apologies for not scoring in every quarter at the pace you like to meet your expectations, that's not how NFL games work...its not realistic.

so he is not a difference maker in your mind, yet, cowboys offense just got elevated significantly. I am sure there are excuses to be written as to why the offense isn't good, its because vikings are over rated and they were tired (yes, somebody actually said, their defense was tired, that's why we did good) and that Giants are over rated and this and that....

and btw, the interception he threw against GB, the one against Indy were because he was anticipating the WR making the cut, being there, making a play. the throws were made before the WR made the cut but you say he doesn't throw with anticipation, probably because he doesn't do it 100% of the time...it has to be 100% of else its failed!!!

also not sure about your comment of 30% of his deep balls being catachable...based on what? eye test? and how does that compare to the rest of the league? are you measuring it in a silo? the silo that's built based upon your expectations? what's your expectations of deep ball being catchable? does the WR bear any responsibility for being open and not allow the DBs get intot heir bodies and break the pass? I mean this is a great example of people making comments, without anything to show why they made that comment except the eye test and again, doing it in a silo.

he is playing like a top 10 QB. outside of the elite QBs, all other QBs have flaws. better ones make more good plays than bad. his salary is about the range of a top 10 QB. but in some fans mind, 40M means elite and he has to play at an Elite level and he is not elite.

and in the 4th quarter of Indy game, in the first minute or so we continued a drive from previous quarter. scored a td in the first couple of minutes and put the game out of hand. after that, it was teeing off on Ryan and just running the ball to finish the game...what else do you expect? in fact, although it was an interceptions, one of the drives in the 4th started on Dallas 28....are you going to complain that it doesn't count because it didn't start at the 18!!!

and I don't think his WRs are frustrated. not sure where you get that from, but perhaps that's another eye test thingy
Homes is a Chook, he will never beat the Bengals. They already have the advantage by psyching Mahomes out. Yes, I understand the talent. I also understand the crybaby and him and that’s why I am not a fan and would not want him. I don’t think he’d be anything if not the Kansas City.
 

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I'm okay because of two things: it was a blow out win but also because it's showing that whatever was wrong with Dak mentally he's overcoming... do I want him to keep throwing interceptions? of course not. But I took this as a sign that he's finally recovered.
I will sign on to that. I was worried he was going timid; but he seems past that.
 

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and that is why you fail to be worth listening to. I don't like Rodgers or Brady; but I would take them as our QB (if they were a few years younger) then Dak and so would anyone with a brain.
Mahoomes is still fairly young; I am willing to let him have more time to mature but only a true football idiot would not want him as our QB over Dak.
He’s a Choke he can be psyched out. The Bengals have his number. He’s a waste of quarterback, if not for Kansas City. The media needs a lover boy. I guess you do to.
 

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Homes is a Chook, he will never beat the Bengals. They already have the advantage by psyching Mahomes out. Yes, I understand the talent. I also understand the crybaby and him and that’s why I am not a fan and would not want him. I don’t think he’d be anything if not the Kansas City.
dumb is as dumb can be
 

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He’s a Choke he can be psyched out. The Bengals have his number. He’s a waste of quarterback, if not for Kansas City. The media needs a lover boy. I guess you do to.
wow you are beyond help
 

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and that is why you fail to be worth listening to. I don't like Rodgers or Brady; but I would take them as our QB (if they were a few years younger) then Dak and so would anyone with a brain.
Mahoomes is still fairly young; I am willing to let him have more time to mature but only a true football idiot would not want him as our QB over Dak.
Cowboys highest scoring team the last two seasons. And you’re worried about Prescott LMAO.
 

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We were 23rd in scoring and 27th in yards when Dak came back.

What are you talking about?

We are now....3rd in scoring and 11th in yards..


talking about the game yesterday...keep up
 

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To be fair, I'd like to see him throw to a wide open Lamb 20 yards downfield on third and long, than to see him throw underneath to Zeke. I'd also like to see him throw fewer balls way behind the receiver or way above them. In the first half, he was Wild Thing, throwing it anywhere but over the plate. He definitely got better, but he needs to reign that in if they're to beat better teams.

I didn't go into the game thread yesterday, so I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who saw that.
 

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I can give an example of Mahomes having bad throws...then say I am speaking in generalities. before you hop on the comment that I am comapring Dak to Mahomes, I am not. Mahomes is by far the best QB in the league and perhaps generational.

and you bring up and example, to make a case for generalities. that's how nitpicking works. I never said he is perfect. in fact I have said on multiple occasions that he needs to be more consistent. he has periods,, games that he is lights out and great, then he makes some throws that make you scratch you head, and its not just one or two, its several.....but overall he has more good throws than bad throws.

and the cowboys offense went from 20 something, average struggling offense to now #1 in the league. my apologies for not scoring in every quarter at the pace you like to meet your expectations, that's not how NFL games work...its not realistic.

so he is not a difference maker in your mind, yet, cowboys offense just got elevated significantly. I am sure there are excuses to be written as to why the offense isn't good, its because vikings are over rated and they were tired (yes, somebody actually said, their defense was tired, that's why we did good) and that Giants are over rated and this and that....

and btw, the interception he threw against GB, the one against Indy were because he was anticipating the WR making the cut, being there, making a play. the throws were made before the WR made the cut but you say he doesn't throw with anticipation, probably because he doesn't do it 100% of the time...it has to be 100% of else its failed!!!

also not sure about your comment of 30% of his deep balls being catachable...based on what? eye test? and how does that compare to the rest of the league? are you measuring it in a silo? the silo that's built based upon your expectations? what's your expectations of deep ball being catchable? does the WR bear any responsibility for being open and not allow the DBs get intot heir bodies and break the pass? I mean this is a great example of people making comments, without anything to show why they made that comment except the eye test and again, doing it in a silo.

he is playing like a top 10 QB. outside of the elite QBs, all other QBs have flaws. better ones make more good plays than bad. his salary is about the range of a top 10 QB. but in some fans mind, 40M means elite and he has to play at an Elite level and he is not elite.

and in the 4th quarter of Indy game, in the first minute or so we continued a drive from previous quarter. scored a td in the first couple of minutes and put the game out of hand. after that, it was teeing off on Ryan and just running the ball to finish the game...what else do you expect? in fact, although it was an interceptions, one of the drives in the 4th started on Dallas 28....are you going to complain that it doesn't count because it didn't start at the 18!!!

and I don't think his WRs are frustrated. not sure where you get that from, but perhaps that's another eye test thingy

Sigh…..Again, context. The single biggest reason why they were the 20th ranked offense was Dak. He scored 3 points in the opener. Cooper (the crappy backup) averaged 21.5 across his 5 games. Why do people say “When Dak came back…” when he was literally the main reason the offense was low ranked in the first place?

Im not here to change anyone’s opinion, but this argument is exactly what annoys me. If you decide you like a player, they will always get the benefit of the doubt. People glaze over the opener like it didn’t happen or provide excuses.

If the Cowboys win the SB with Dak I will be stoked, but I will still evaluate each player based on individual performance. A win doesn’t mean everyone played well. A loss doesn’t mean they played poorly (last years Bucs opener Dak did great).

All I said is Dak is played a lackluster game yesterday (micro concern) which continues to show that he is inconsistent (macro concern) because he is capable of playing really really well. That inconsistency will matter in the playoffs
 
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