The official hang Bledsoe thread

[kartr]

The INT the refs "took away" was followed by an INT. So if the original INT was upheld, the next one doesn't happen. Get it?

So even if the 2 the Jags supposedly dropped were INTs, thats only 5 in my book, partner, not 6.

But from your posts, logic doesn't seem to be your strong subject, now does it.

Logic is my strong suit, in fact, I get paid a lot of money for just that purpose and I've implemented a lot of high profile projects. However many picks were counted by the refs, he still threw 6 picks, and I believe that 5 picks is still more than Danny White's 4, my original point.

 

[DipChit]

Heck against the Pats in 2003, he had play them on their field without Joey Galloway, just Terry and a rookie tight end and a second year hot head receiver that dropped way too many balls. Also, in that game, the O-line had 10 penalties and nullified several first down throws made by Quincy, and Quincy was actually running for his life in that game.

Well yeah.. what he did in that game to get us to 0 points truly was epic.

With a lesser man at QB we mighta lost 12 to -50 instead of 12 to 0.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Logic is my strong suit, in fact, I get paid a lot of money for just that purpose and I've implemented a lot of high profile projects. However many picks were counted by the refs, he still threw 6 picks, and I believe that 5 picks is still more than Danny White's 4, my original point.

All right Ill play.

Do you even know what a syllogism is?

 

[kartr]

me too. specially with the porous line. romo at least would evade the rush then throw a pic with tons of moxie.

seriously, watching leftwich complete pass after pass to our vaunted secondary including the guy we took when we passed on him, newman, made me sick today.

We also passed on Rashean Mathis in the second round because we got Newman in the first. I'd say that Mathis had a much better game than Newman's, not that I think Newman is bad player, but for his career, Mathis makes more tackles and just as many picks as Newman, and he was drafted in the second round. Hey, we could had both Mathis and Leftwich.

 

[Seven]

That's why I wanted to trade him on draft day, and yes, releasing Quincy was one of the worst decisions Parcells has ever made, topped only by signing Chad Hutchinson and Drew Henson as upgrades over QC.:laugh2:

Hutch was already here and Parcells sent him packing. Henson was givien a lot of cash and via Jerry, that sceneario had to be played out.
Releasing Carter? Let's put it the way it really was. He was FIRED, only to be fired again the same year. He crawled to Canada....FIRED.

 

[DIAF]

Logic is my strong suit, in fact, I get paid a lot of money for just that purpose and I've implemented a lot of high profile projects. However many picks were counted by the refs, he still threw 6 picks, and I believe that 5 picks is still more than Danny White's 4, my original point.

Rule #1 of the internet: Guys that brag about their jobs in the internet very rarely actually have a job worth bragging about.

 

[chinch]

I never said Bledsoe was elite. Not once.

but he IS ELITE by standards posted here and stats.

can't have it both ways now can you.

 

[kartr]

If releasing that bum Carter was the worst decision of Parcells life, I say he has led the life of a saint. PLease, Carter went on to tear the league apart and still haunts this franchise....oh wait, the CFL diddnt even want him.

Yeah, I guess you're right, Gruden decided to go with Simms,instead of signing Carter, and they got shut out and Simms threw threw picks despite having Joey Galloway and a Cadillac instead of Joey Galloway and a Hambrick. Yeah, Carter is so awful that he scored 17 points in a lost to Baltimore while Simss had, a zero. So maybe Gruden was right, not.

 

[Hostile]

but he IS ELITE by standards posted here and stats.

can't have it both ways now can you.

Sorry, no he isn't and I'm not trying to. I don't agree with those who say he is.

 

[Seven]

Logic is my strong suit, in fact, I get paid a lot of money for just that purpose and I've implemented a lot of high profile projects. However many picks were counted by the refs, he still threw 6 picks, and I believe that 5 picks is still more than Danny White's 4, my original point.

If it's more than 5 bucks you're ripping them off.

Who gives a crap about Danny Whites picks. What is your point? What does it have anything to do with TODAY? The now. The present.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, I guess you're right, Gruden decided to go with Simms,instead of signing Carter, and they got shut out and Simms threw threw picks despite having Joey Galloway and a Cadillac instead of Joey Galloway and a Hambrick. Yeah, Carter is so awful that he scored 17 points in a lost to Baltimore while Simss had, a zero. So maybe Gruden was right, not.

Carter scored 17 points against the 2006 Ravens? I don't think so scooter.

Yet another useless attempt to spin doctor lemonade out of a lemon.

 

[Cochese]

Yeah, I guess you're right, Gruden decided to go with Simms,instead of signing Carter, and they got shut out and Simms threw threw picks despite having Joey Galloway and a Cadillac instead of Joey Galloway and a Hambrick. Yeah, Carter is so awful that he scored 17 points in a lost to Baltimore while Simss had, a zero. So maybe Gruden was right, not.

And you claim logic to be your strong point?:laugh2:

 

[chinch]

Sorry, no he isn't and I'm not trying to. I don't agree with those who say he is.

OK. I'll take your word but consider bias... if Buffalo didn't jettison him (or if he went elsewhere but Dallas) you might think differently. maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps if you get a minute (in a new thread?) you can post the ELITE QBs playing today so we can have a reference base.

 

[wileedog]

Sorry, no he isn't and I'm not trying to. I don't agree with those who say he is.

Bledsoe, the guy you are insisting is not elite, was a #1 overall draft pick.

Do you not understand from you very arguments how hard it is, and even how much luck is involved, in finding the QB you so desperately seek?

How many franchises wallow in mediocrity for years because they blow top round picks on QBs who fail? Do you really want this franchise to waste valuable picks to move up into the top of the 1st round just to take a chance and pray?

Saying you want to find a guy like Brady in the 6th is ridiculous. That's pure luck. Its really not all that much different than assuming Romo is ready to go.

 

[Hostile]

OK. I'll take your word but consider bias... if Buffalo didn't jettison him (or if he went elsewhere but Dallas) you might think differently. maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps if you get a minute (in a new thread?) you can post the ELITE QBs playing today so we can have a reference base.

No I wouldn't.

I think who the elite QBs are is pretty obvious and who is the next group waiting in the wings and those who could have been elite but haven't lived up to their potential for whatever reason. But just to humor you since you want to act unaware.

Elite...Brady, P. Manning, Favre (end of the line), and I think decent arguments can be made for Warner, McNair and Mcnabb, though like Favre they may be at the end of the line and missed their window.

Waiting in the wings...Roethlesberger, Palmer, Leftwich, E. Manning, Leinart, Cutler, Young, Brees, Rivers and possibly Simms.

Haven't lived up to their potential...Bledsoe, Boller, Carr, Culpepper, Collins, Plummer and Vick.

 

[Hostile]

Bledsoe, the guy you are insisting is not elite, was a #1 overall draft pick.

Do you not understand from you very arguments how hard it is, and even how much luck is involved, in finding the QB you so desperately seek?

How many franchises wallow in mediocrity for years because they blow top round picks on QBs who fail? Do you really want this franchise to waste valuable picks to move up into the top of the 1st round just to take a chance and pray?

Saying you want to find a guy like Brady in the 6th is ridiculous. That's pure luck. Its really not all that much different than assuming Romo is ready to go.

My post after this one, written while you wrote this, explains this.

On the part in bold, I don't know. Why don't you tell me.

I'll simply respond with the fact that the teams that build consistent or repeat winners build this way and always have. That is an irrefutable fact, but if you want to deny this, by all means let's discuss drafted QB s who lead their teams to Championship versus retreads salvaged from another team's scraps that do it.

I believe in luck, or rather that you make your own. I believe in drafting a QB every year, even if it is late in the draft (because some late picks do work out and develop) and doing everything you can to develop them which means you don't sit them in garbage time.

We haven't done anything to develop a QB since Troy Aikman IMO. I'd like to see Romo get some valuable time before I applaud the idea of throwing him on the grill and saying "don't get burned."

 

[wileedog]

I believe in luck, or rather that you make your own. I believe in drafting a QB every year, even if it is late in the draft (because some late picks do work out and develop) and doing everything you can to develop them which means you don't sit them in garbage time.

Again, that was the Henson Experiment. Instead of drafting a JAG in the 6th we traded a 3rd for a guy who alledgedly at one time had 1st round potential. We missed.

I'm sure we will draft another prject next year. In the meantime, we didn't see fit to blow a draft pick on a QB when we had so many other holes that needed filling, and Romo was apparently developing on schedule.

I know you don't like Romo because you don't believe in this vague and largely unaccountable variable of "arm strength" (which if you are not Brett Favre or Drew Brees is largely subjective), and certainly there are questions on his background. But this guy with the weak arm from a small school just had a better preseason than some highly rated guys have ever had.

All that aside, just curious. WHo should we have drafted that we didn't? Only guy I see in the Parcells era we had a legitimate shot at was Leftwich, and quite frankly I think he is a younger Bledsoe.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Elite QBs who have won Super Bowls > the number of "bus drivers" who have won Super Bowls.

I am not so sure about that Hos. At least in most recent years.

Sometimes players get out of the bus driver naming by being a winner.

Hell, some people consider Daddy Manning as a great QB, he never won squat, Peyton nada, Eli nada.

Yet The Commanders, Ravens, Raiders, Giants, Bucs, among others have won the SB with a QB that gained by winning.

 

[JMead]

I am not so sure about that Hos. At least in most recent years.

Sometimes players get out of the bus driver naming by being a winner.

Hell, some people consider Daddy Manning as a great QB, he never won squat, Peyton nada, Eli nada.

Yet The Commanders, Ravens, Raiders, Giants, Bucs, among others have won the SB with a QB that gained by winning.

Thats where the league is heading it seems. Teams want to have a great defense and a puppet at QB. I fear that Favre and Bledsoe are the last of the gunslingers ( successful ). I already miss the days of watching the K-Gun.

 

[joseephuss]

Again, that was the Henson Experiment. Instead of drafting a JAG in the 6th we traded a 3rd for a guy who alledgedly at one time had 1st round potential. We missed.

I'm sure we will draft another prject next year. In the meantime, we didn't see fit to blow a draft pick on a QB when we had so many other holes that needed filling, and Romo was apparently developing on schedule.

I know you don't like Romo because you don't believe in this vague and largely unaccountable variable of "arm strength" (which if you are not Brett Favre or Drew Brees is largely subjective), and certainly there are questions on his background. But this guy with the weak arm from a small school just had a better preseason than some highly rated guys have ever had.

All that aside, just curious. WHo should we have drafted that we didn't? Only guy I see in the Parcells era we had a legitimate shot at was Leftwich, and quite frankly I think he is a younger Bledsoe.

I agree that teams need a "franchise" QB to be a consistently successful team. A team that reaches the playoffs year after year and competes and wins a Superbowl. The truly successful team wins mulitple Superbowls with this "franchise" QB.

How do you get this "franchise" QB? The draft, especially the first round has supplied them. It is not the only way of course. There is nothing wrong with developing a later rounder or even a undrafted guy, but someone has to be developed. You could trade for or sign a free agent young QB to develop.

Romo is about the only true QB that Dallas has tried to develop since Aikman arrived in Dallas. That is a problem. They should have tried someone while Aikman was still on the team.

Some may consider that Dallas tried to develop Quincy Carter. I would disagree. The franchise was very inept at that period, so I really did not see any developing on their part. That doesn't even consider the player himself who was a mess. He was the kind of rookie who needed a veteran to learn behind and instead Dallas cut that veteren in camp and threw Quincy to the wolves.

I consider Hutch or Henson as nothing but long shots. They both had talent, but when a player has been away from the game for so long, it takes away from their game. I would say there is very little chance for any QB in that situtation to develop into a "franchise" guy. We may have witnessed the exception in Roger Staubach, but I would find it hard to believe that anyone else can duplicate that. Plus Roger won the freakin Heisman in college, Hutch and Henson did not come close to having that kind of success in their short college playing careers.

Now teams also need all the other components to be successfull. You don't sacrifice a dominant defense or strong O-line for the sake of a "franchise" QB. You need a complete team. It becomes even more important when you don't have a "franchise" QB. So far Dallas hasn't accomplisehd that aspect. I think they are on the way with the defense, but the O-line still looks to be lacking after numerous years.