The officiating in our games. Is it just me

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And you can find your comment on any fan board, in any team sport, during any season since the internet was invented by Al Gore.

Exactly. You won't be able to find a play comparable to that Steet. Play.
Make more generalizations about what you think fans do and therefore what I'm doing. That offers real proof. :)
 
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One doesn't make sense without the other
To you, yes. However, my hypothetical can help the referee pinpoint the location of the football with existing technology. Today. Integrating existing pressure sensitive, real-time tech into player uniforms/equipment and exposed skin surfaces correlating to current rule definitions of when a player is ruled down after contacting the ground isn't feasible right now--ESPECIALLY in conjunction with a contact sport like football. Heck, RFID tech, by different but not completely dissimilar example, has only recently been combined with uniforms of pro sports like the NFL, NHL and NBA but improving player location tech analytics in relation to field, court, etc. will not stop there. Still, the tech has been instituted nonetheless.

Would my hypothetical be a perfect process? Nope. Is it applicable right now using referee judgment and/or instant replay? Yep. One innovation at a time does not mean something cannot be done or should not be done. It simply means something has not been perfected.
 

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I understand that the officiating is terrible throughout the NFL. I actually like the replacement refs better. The question I'm really asking is do certain teams benefit from being more popular among the general population, ie the Steelers,Giants and Packers and then at the opposite end of the spectrum, the Dallas Cowboys.

Jerry Jones is the most hated owner in sports and it just seems to me that he (or we) get no benefit of doubt calls much like Al davis of the 70's and 80's Raider teams. Just think back to last year and all the TDs on turnovers that we lost out on because the ref didn't want to see the play correctly. And the easy call on the Dez play was to let the ruling on the field stand.

Without biased officiating, the Giants do not have their last two Super Bowl trophys and without referee bias the Steelers have at least three fewer.
 

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By the way, I missed the replay of the Jones kick/interception. I just assumed it hit the ground but I've read some say it was too close to call.

What is the consensus on that? It hit the ground?
 

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Honestly I've enjoyed watching football less this year because it seems like so many flags get thrown. It's not just against Dallas (although the homer in me likes to think it is).

I have no idea whether there have been more flags this year in truth, but it feels that way. It feels like the flow of games is constantly interrupted, and reminds me of why I don't like watching baseball.
 

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By the way, I missed the replay of the Jones kick/interception. I just assumed it hit the ground but I've read some say it was too close to call.

What is the consensus on that? It hit the ground?

It definitely hit the ground before it hit his foot
 

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I've never been of the conspiracy mindset, but it really looked like that ref didn't throw the flag until McFadden broke into the clear and it was obvious he'd score. I think the ref only threw the flag to prevent the TD, and I'd sure like to know why.

Exactly... It's almost like he thought, well let me see if this phantom block effected the play... oh looks like it did, better throw the flag. If DRC gets off the block and tackles McFadden I don't think he throws the flag. Also DRC engaged Street before the ball is thrown, which you could argue is illegal contact by a defender. The other side of this view is that Street was intentionally trying to impede the path of the defender by shadowing him, but if that is considered blocking, then Amendola's pick is a definite foul, along with all the similar Pat's plays where the receiver takes two steps into the defenders path and puts their hands up or stands there. That is the whole catch, in order to be blocking you have to make contact with the defender with a part of your body. Street never engaged DRC.
 

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By the way, I missed the replay of the Jones kick/interception. I just assumed it hit the ground but I've read some say it was too close to call.

What is the consensus on that? It hit the ground?

It hit the ground and his foot simultaneously. No doubt in my mind that it was correctly overturned, but it would have been a million times better for the team had the ball been one inch higher.
 

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My boys 6 and 12 don't believe Troy ever played for the Cowboys, no matter how many times I tell them how great was. My wife, who is a Saints fan often asks me why does Troy hate you guys, lol.

I think he takes his impartiality too far some times.
Most Saints fans *I* know are so defensive, they think Troy hates them.
 

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I understand that the officiating is terrible throughout the NFL. I actually like the replacement refs better. The question I'm really asking is do certain teams benefit from being more popular among the general population, ie the Steelers,Giants and Packers and then at the opposite end of the spectrum, the Dallas Cowboys.

Jerry Jones is the most hated owner in sports and it just seems to me that he (or we) get no benefit of doubt calls much like Al davis of the 70's and 80's Raider teams. Just think back to last year and all the TDs on turnovers that we lost out on because the ref didn't want to see the play correctly. And the easy call on the Dez play was to let the ruling on the field stand.

Without biased officiating, the Giants do not have their last two Super Bowl trophys and without referee bias the Steelers have at least three fewer.
I haven't come across a single person who doesn't agree with you on this...who doesn't think that was a catch. That play haunts me so badly, I've spoken to many people about it...in real life, and on the Internet (not just on sports boards either.) I'm on a political board where it was discussed for about a week after that game. The most vocal Cowboy haters I know think Dez caught that ball.
 

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To you, yes. However, my hypothetical can help the referee pinpoint the location of the football with existing technology. Today. Integrating existing pressure sensitive, real-time tech into player uniforms/equipment and exposed skin surfaces correlating to current rule definitions of when a player is ruled down after contacting the ground isn't feasible right now--ESPECIALLY in conjunction with a contact sport like football. Heck, RFID tech, by different but not completely dissimilar example, has only recently been combined with uniforms of pro sports like the NFL, NHL and NBA but improving player location tech analytics in relation to field, court, etc. will not stop there. Still, the tech has been instituted nonetheless.
They can't even get headsets to function reliably, so while I think all of the above sounds great in theiry, I wouldn't want to have to rely on it.
 

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They can't even get headsets to function reliably, so while I think all of the above sounds great in theiry, I wouldn't want to have to rely on it.
Reliability is a question mark but time waits for no one. The future and technology walk hand-in-hand. The possibility is strong that conceivable applications shall eventually become reality. Whether we prefer to rely on them matters less than if an innovation actually serves a purpose.
 

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Refs blow another call and another potential TD taken away in the Seattle game
 

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or do we seem to constantly get the short end of the stick? The refs pick yesterday to emphasize the pick play? And the play on third down that Mo made to stop a drive was nearly textbook technique. Yes he did (barely) touch his arm just before the ball got there but it had absolutely had no bearing on the play and it is rarely that that close against us. That continued a TD drive. These two calls were an 11 point swing that the home team did not need especially when you consider all that we were up against.

I also wonder if there is a stat that show how many pass blocking holding calls the Giants have gotten against us in the last 10 years? They never got called even when Spencer, Ratliff and Ware were in their prime. Watching many games this year there seems to be a bias towards the Giants and Steelers and a bias totally against anything Dallas Cowboys.

This season just makes the bogus Dez overturned catch all the more painful. Am I wrong about the officiating? Is it just me?

Some of the refs need to be FIRED !!!!
 

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Goodell should be relieved of his duties if only for the commercial/kickoff/commercial crap
 

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Isn't back to back timeouts supposed to be an Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty? Not just a warning?
 
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