The only coordinators who will work for Parcells are young unknowns

[TruBlueCowboy]

Someone posted a thread here not too long ago that reported rumors that coaches around Valley Ranch hate working for Parcells and to expect Payton and Zimmer gone in a heartbeat if they get another job somewhere. After watching the coach movement, I'm inclined to believe it.

Palmer shunned us for a rookie head coach. New Orleans has no quarterback, an aging #1 receiver, a tailback who can't stay healthy, the only thing they have on us is a better offensive line. Plus, it's the Saints, a team with no home, not exactly an enticing offer for an offensive coordinator compared to our team, which ain't second heaven, but you'd think we would have a chance with Palmer, especially considering the history with Parcells.

Payton won't go to the struggling Oakland Raiders because it's not in his interest to take over a team in that shape at the moment? But he'll gladly take over New Orleans, perhaps a team in the biggest state of turmoil in NFL history? Bologne, he just wanted to get out of Dodge as fast as possible. He was probably sick of Parcells.

Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.

You can throw out any established veteran coach names to join our staff. Parcells does not have the personality of Joe Gibbs. The only people who will join Parcells are young coaches like Payton who maybe had some brief downturns in their career and are looking to improve their resume and hoping to have success under Parcells. And now that Parcells isn't winning as much as he used to, his staff openings are even more unattractive.

I think Parcells still has it, but all this coach movement makes me wonder if Parcells has worn out his welcome and the word is out to avoid him at all costs.

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

interesting post, and you may be right.

 

[Sabu1]

Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.
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Honestly, what former coaches of his were available? Belichick? No. Weis? No. Crennel? No. Muir? No. Pope? No. All under contract with other teams and not available. This Palmer setback is being blown WAY out of proportion. The reaction on this board is laughable really. Most of you people didn't want Palmer yesterday and now it's football armageddon now that he isn't here. I guess fans will be fans but thank god you people don't make real football decisions. :laugh2:

 

[CowboyManDan]

The other thing to think about in terms of an offensive coordinator, is that in Dallas he'd be working with the aging veteran group of Bledsoe/Glenn/Keyshawn. Players who have already reached or passed their peak.

Whereas in NO, they may take a QB with their high 1st round pick. Could be someone they can coach and mold, as opposed to a (will-be) 34 year old vet like Bledsoe. And that's to go along with with a solid young RB and a young WR in Stallworth and one older veteran in Horn.

The only positives in terms of molding and future of our offense is Witten and the combintaion of Jones/Barber.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.
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Honestly, what former coaches of his were available? Belichick? No. Weis? No. Crennel? No. Muir? No. Pope? No. All under contract with other teams and not available. This Palmer setback is being blown WAY out of proportion. The reaction on this board is laughable really. Most of you people didn't want Palmer yesterday and now it's football armageddon now that he isn't here. I guess fans will be fans but thank god you people don't make real football decisions. :laugh2:

I wasn't against the Palmer signing. Honestly, I thought it was a sure thing. I don't think anything is being blown out of proportion, it's a little shocking that Parcells couldn't bring him back. Especially considering who he went to instead.

I'll agree with you on the former coaches. Many of them were already hired with his "branches" on the coaching tree, but we are seeing few of them added as they become available over the last 3 years Parcells has been with the Cowboys.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

The other thing to think about in terms of an offensive coordinator, is that in Dallas he'd be working with the aging veteran group of Bledsoe/Glenn/Keyshawn. Players who have already reached or passed their peak.

Whereas in NO, they may take a QB with their high 1st round pick. Could be someone they can coach and mold, as opposed to a (will-be) 34 year old vet like Bledsoe. And that's to go along with with a solid young RB and a young WR in Stallworth and one older veteran in Horn.

The only positives in terms of molding and future of our offense is Witten and the combintaion of Jones/Barber.

I think another positive about NO is that you're going to look good no matter what. That was a wierd season. Many would say the Saints underachieved. It's hard to see any coach not having more wins next year now that things are starting to settle down just a lil' bit.

 

[Shaun]

Was Palmer offered the position here, or was he just brought in for an interview?

 

[VACowboy]

Maybe Parcells didn't want him.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Could be...however, if I'm an OC, I'd prefer to work with the Saints' talent than that of the Cowboys. They're explosive at WR, have a pro-bowl caliber RB and they'll likely draft Matt Lienart. Who knows...maybe you 're right. Would you blame him though if that were the case?

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Could be...however, if I'm an OC, I'd prefer to work with the Saints' talent than that of the Cowboys. They're explosive at WR, have a pro-bowl caliber RB and they'll likely draft Matt Lienart. Who knows...maybe you 're right. Would you blame him though if that were the case?

Nah. Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

It's just frustrating watching Gibbs bring in all these talented guys while the Boys work with less, or reach to promote from within.

 

[MiStar]

It's quite likely that there aren't many who enjoy working under Parcells. However, any smart and ambitious coach knows the value of being considered part of the Parcells coaching tree.

Take a look at all the guys that have gotten opportunities as head coaches that have worked with Parcells. Being an current or assistant coach with Parcells is the "in" thing in the NFL these days.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Zimmer hated working with Parcells so much that he turned down the head coaching position of one of the top programs in NCAA football.

Wow, Payton took a HEAD COACHING position.

You know if I take another job that pays more and has more power and prestige it must mean I hated my former boss.

Palmer was brought in under the radar and left under the radar. It is just as plausible that Parcells did not want to hire him or that they mutually agreed or whatever million other scenarios there are.

Thank you please drive through.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Zimmer hated working with Parcells so much that he turned down the head coaching position of one of the top programs in NCAA football.

Wow, Payton took a HEAD COACHING position.

You know if I take another job that pays more and has more power and prestige it must mean I hated my former boss.

Palmer was brought in under the radar and left under the radar. It is just as plausible that Parcells did not want to hire him or that they mutually agreed or whatever million other scenarios there are.

Thank you please drive through.

Nebraska is no longer one of the top NCAA programs. But it's still college football. Zimmer probably wants a head coaching gig in the NFL judging by his interviews.

Payton was offered a head coaching position a year earlier and declined on the grounds that it maybe wasn't the best situation to accept. And New Orleans is?

The Palmer thing I agree with. I think the more likely scenario however is that Payton swung in on a vine like Tarzan and stole him before the Cowboys could go any further.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nebraska is no longer one of the top NCAA programs. But it's still college football. Zimmer probably wants a head coaching gig in the NFL judging by his interviews.

Payton was offered a head coaching position a year earlier and declined on the grounds that it maybe wasn't the best situation to accept. And New Orleans is?

The Palmer thing I agree with. I think the more likely scenario however is that Payton swung in on a vine like Tarzan and stole him before the Cowboys could go any further.

Saying that Nebraska isnt one of the top NCAAA football prgrams is akin to saying Kentucky isnt one the top basketball programs because there not top 25 this year.

As for Payton turning down the Raiders last year and opting for NO this year all i have are two words. Al Davis. In NO he will have his run of the team without the owner wanting to put his fingers on gameplans and what not.

There was some unsubstantiated rumor that some coaches were unhappy and really this thread is just that rumor run amock.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Parcells is the quickest route to a head coaching job and No one wants to coach under him????
Yeah , I buy that one!!!!!

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Saying that Nebraska isnt one of the top NCAAA football prgrams is akin to saying Kentucky isnt one the top basketball programs because there not top 25 this year.

As for Payton turning down the Raiders last year and opting for NO this year all i have are two words. Al Davis. In NO he will have his run of the team without the owner wanting to put his fingers on gameplans and what not.

There was some unsubstantiated rumor that some coaches were unhappy and really this thread is just that rumor run amock.

You can keep your head in the sand but something obviously ain't right.

We aren't pulling in the Greg Williams caliber coaches of the NFL.

Former coaches continue to not work with Parcells again.

Coaches leave for "higher grounds."

And this isn't a dig on Parcells as a football mind. He just can't bring in the talent we need at assistant positions because folks are reluctant to work with his style. Sooner or later, it's going to bite him in the butt if he can't find talented men to rely on and has to resort to doing things such as promoting the offensive line coach on one of the worst olines in the league to offensive coordinator.

 

[jterrell]

sorry but that rings extremely hollow.

payton wasnt young and unknown. he also has given parcells nothing but love since leaving and in fact got the job largely because he talked up what he learned here.

parcells cant keep coordinators because they keep getting promotions to head coach. look at his coaching tree. it is sick.

we keep hearing how bad verducci is from fans yet thats who payton asked permission to make his OC.

BP has been his own OC much of his career and if he is this year I am sure the offense wont fall apart based on that fact.

 

[jterrell]

You can keep your head in the sand but something obviously ain't right.

We aren't pulling in the Greg Williams caliber coaches of the NFL.

Former coaches continue to not work with Parcells again.

Coaches leave for "higher grounds."

And this isn't a dig on Parcells as a football mind. He just can't bring in the talent we need at assistant positions because folks are reluctant to work with his style. Sooner or later, it's going to bite him in the butt if he can't find talented men to rely on and has to resort to doing things such as promoting the offensive line coach on one of the worst olines in the league to offensive coordinator.

you are seriously pulling this out of nowhere.
all based on chris palmer???

we did get proven guys in here previously and we will again. BP gets guys pro interviews and coaches know that.

 

[neosapien23]

sorry but that rings extremely hollow.

payton wasnt young and unknown. he also has given parcells nothing but love since leaving and in fact got the job largely because he talked up what he learned here.

parcells cant keep coordinators because they keep getting promotions to head coach. look at his coaching tree. it is sick.

we keep hearing how bad verducci is from fans yet thats who payton asked permission to make his OC.

BP has been his own OC much of his career and if he is this year I am sure the offense wont fall apart based on that fact.

Why didn't Billichick stay in New York when Parcells left? Could it be that he couldn't get along with Parcells the GM? Why did Carthon leave to work for Romeo Crennel for the same position? BP is a little stubborn and does not listen to his coaching staff as much as one would hope. Payton was not allowed to make the play calls despite what Parcells says. In New York he ran a deep passing game with Collins, in Dallas a failed running game was implimented. BP also made Zimmer impliment a scheme he was uncomfortable with. I'm not saying Parcells is a bad coach but he is extremely hard to work for. As for Payton giving Parcells love, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. He showed a little more class than Billichick thats all.

 

[BigDFan5]

Payton was offered a head coaching position a year earlier and declined on the grounds that it maybe wasn't the best situation to accept. And New Orleans is?

Why did he take it? How many head coaching offers you think he would get next year after turning down his second chance?