The only coordinators who will work for Parcells are young unknowns

[BigDFan5]

You can keep your head in the sand but something obviously ain't right.

We aren't pulling in the Greg Williams caliber coaches of the NFL.

Former coaches continue to not work with Parcells again.

Coaches leave for "higher grounds."

And this isn't a dig on Parcells as a football mind. He just can't bring in the talent we need at assistant positions because folks are reluctant to work with his style. Sooner or later, it's going to bite him in the butt if he can't find talented men to rely on and has to resort to doing things such as promoting the offensive line coach on one of the worst olines in the league to offensive coordinator.

The reason the Skins get those guys is they are paying head coach money to assistants tripling salaries is the only reason they got Saunders and kept williams

 

[SkinsandTerps]

The reason the Skins get those guys is they are paying head coach money to assistants tripling salaries is the only reason they got Saunders and kept williams

Snyder paid them handsomely indeed. But you ever think that they want to coach for Gibbs and Snyder ?

I understand your point of view TruBlue.

The Parcells tree has really become the Belichick tree. The Paul Brown tree has become the Bill Walsh tree.

A case of the student has become the master.

 

[BigDFan5]

Snyder paid them handsomely indeed. But you ever think that they want to coach for Gibbs and Snyder ?

Sure, who wouldnt want to for triple a coordinators regular salary

 

[alicetooljam]

"New Orleans has no quarterback, an aging #1 receiver, a tailback who can't stay healthy."

Sorry man, but I couldnt help but think that sounds alot like us...

 

[AbeBeta]

The Parcells tree has really become the Belichick tree. The Paul Brown tree has become the Bill Walsh tree.

A case of the student has become the master.

or maybe a case of a guy being out of coaching for several years. hard to have a tree when you are retired.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Sure, who wouldnt want to for triple a coordinators regular salary

But on par with a HCs salary for a smaller city or cheap owner.
So you put that coach in a situation where they have security and yet still a future potential HC position...or throw them to the wolves with the responsibility as a HC.

I look no further than the terrible job that the Jets did this past season from top to bottom. Herm gets a gig in KC, Henderson gets another gig, and so will Heimerdinger in Denver.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

or maybe a case of a guy being out of coaching for several years. hard to have a tree when you are retired.

BS. Parcells is starting to get the rep that, "without Belichick and many others ..." .

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Someone posted a thread here not too long ago that reported rumors that coaches around Valley Ranch hate working for Parcells and to expect Payton and Zimmer gone in a heartbeat if they get another job somewhere. After watching the coach movement, I'm inclined to believe it.

Palmer shunned us for a rookie head coach. New Orleans has no quarterback, an aging #1 receiver, a tailback who can't stay healthy, the only thing they have on us is a better offensive line. Plus, it's the Saints, a team with no home, not exactly an enticing offer for an offensive coordinator compared to our team, which ain't second heaven, but you'd think we would have a chance with Palmer, especially considering the history with Parcells.

Payton won't go to the struggling Oakland Raiders because it's not in his interest to take over a team in that shape at the moment? But he'll gladly take over New Orleans, perhaps a team in the biggest state of turmoil in NFL history? Bologne, he just wanted to get out of Dodge as fast as possible. He was probably sick of Parcells.

Carthon left as fast as he could, and it really wasn't much of a promotion on the Browns either. We all know what Belichick thinks of Parcells. Parcells hasn't had near as much success recruiting former coaches as other returning head coaches have.

You can throw out any established veteran coach names to join our staff. Parcells does not have the personality of Joe Gibbs. The only people who will join Parcells are young coaches like Payton who maybe had some brief downturns in their career and are looking to improve their resume and hoping to have success under Parcells. And now that Parcells isn't winning as much as he used to, his staff openings are even more unattractive.

I think Parcells still has it, but all this coach movement makes me wonder if Parcells has worn out his welcome and the word is out to avoid him at all costs.

I don't believe this at all, looks like Parcells is helping unknowns, and coordinators down on their luck, find success in the coaching ranks after him

recent example: Payton; had his playcalling duties stripped away from Fasell, joined Parcells, and now is an HC

another example: Parcells made WR, or QB, coach Charlie Weis his OC in NEw England, a role he resumed when Bill Belichick became the HC there, they win Super Bowls, and Weis is coaching at Notre Dame

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's quite likely that there aren't many who enjoy working under Parcells. However, any smart and ambitious coach knows the value of being considered part of the Parcells coaching tree.

Take a look at all the guys that have gotten opportunities as head coaches that have worked with Parcells. Being an current or assistant coach with Parcells is the "in" thing in the NFL these days.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Payton was offered a head coaching position a year earlier and declined on the grounds that it maybe wasn't the best situation to accept. And New Orleans is?

it's a headcoaching position

and maybe Payton wasn't comfortable being a HC last year?

alot of variables to think about...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

BS. Parcells is starting to get the rep that, "without Belichick and many others ..." .

Belichick is getting that same rep

 

[CrazyCowboy]

This post has a lot of validity and very interesting thoughts.....I bet the truth is somewhere in the middle......good post.

 

[Hostile]

Belichick is getting that same rep

After 1 year?

Please...

 

[wileedog]

BS. Parcells is starting to get the rep that, "without Belichick and many others ..." .

So if the Skins win it all this year, I guess we can all say Gibbs was useless without Williams and Saunders, right?

 

[Alexander]

we keep hearing how bad verducci is from fans yet thats who payton asked permission to make his OC.

Freudian slip?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

So if the Skins win it all this year, I guess we can all say Gibbs was useless without Williams and Saunders, right?

Gibbs was useless without either of them before also.
If anything those guys who havent won anything will be getting a boost because of Gibbs not the other way around.

 

[wileedog]

Gibbs was useless without either of them before also.
If anything those guys who havent won anything will be getting a boost because of Gibbs not the other way around.

Pssst. You're double standard is showing.....

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Pssst. You're double standard is showing.....

Not my double standard so much, just the way it will likely be perceived.
Same as people take away from great RBs because they have a great line. When the two are hand in hand usually.

 

[Yeagermeister]

A young unknown wouldn't be a bad thing since he'd have something to prove but I would have preferred one with experience.

 

[Doomsday101]

So if the Skins win it all this year, I guess we can all say Gibbs was useless without Williams and Saunders, right?

Was Jimmy Johnson usless before Norv Turner took over the offense? I don't care for the skins but there is no doubt Joe Gibbs is a very good coach.