The other Roy Williams is making noise

[Avenging Hayseed]

Would love to see Roy Williams added to this team. Is it Doable is another question. I tend to think it is doable, over the years ive learned that Jerry and Stephen can twist that cap any way they want to if its someone they REALLY want. Thing is though, I would like to see it done early so he can get the benefit of a full camp/ preseason with the team. Having played a year under Martz should help though. IMO he's worth a 1 and a 3. Any more and we got robbed, any less and we come out good.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

A couple things do Bother me about Roy though. Number one.........He's nowhere near as dominant as he should be. Guess I would be able to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one though due to his poor surrounding cast. Someone with his skillset should be putting up better numbers than he has. Number two......He always seems to be dinged. This is very troubling to me. Always seems to miss 2-4 games a year. Only played in 16 games once out of 4 years as a pro. Also part of the reason he has put up subpar numbers for a w.r of his caliber. The question becomes.........Are you willing to pay a high dollar contract to a player thats only going to perform in 12-13 regular season games a year? His track record would suggest thats exactly what your going to get out of Roy Williams. Again, I would be quite happy to add him to this team, but know what your getting. A T.O /Michael Irvin type he's not, in fact, not even close.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Wow, the more I think about it im gonna talk myself right out of it!...LOL Nawww, I'd be fine with trading for Williams if the price was right. Thing is though, he IS a lead receiver, but more of a second tier lead receiver type. He's alot closer to someone like a Roddy White then he is to T.O. So, having said that, NO WAY does he deserve one of these monster contracts. NO WAY. Those type contracts only come after years of dominant on field PRODUCTION, coming up big in big situations. To date, Williams simply hasnt done that. Where is the PRO DUC TION ?? I have no problem with trading for Williams, but if he wants to be paid like an elite W.R he needs to perform like one.

 

[Xy_Oldone]

Once again, pretend you're Roy Williams and you want to play in Dallas. You're in the final year of your contract and going to be an UFA at the end of 2008.

How can you make it happen? Simple, by not agreeing to a long term contract with Detroit or any other team.

Detroit only has 3 options.

1. Give him an outrageous amount of money with the Franchise tag or a new deal. They already have outrageous money tied up at WR with Calvin Johnson.

2. Let him leave via Free Agency and get nothing in return.

3. Trade him. If he refuses to re-work a deal with anyone else how will he be traded to anyone else?

Mark my words, by the end of the Summer the trade rumors for him will flare up again.

You missed 4.

4. Do not pay him or give him a huge contract. Force him to play this year or risk huge fines. Then FRANCHISE him next year. End of story.

 

[Hostile]

You missed 4.

4. Do not pay him or give him a huge contract. Force him to play this year or risk huge fines. Then FRANCHISE him next year. End of story.

No I didn't. I was including that in the option of them paying him ridiculous money to keep him.

 

[Stash]

I still don't get how Detroit couldn't afford to pay him 'ridiculous money' while Dallas could.

 

[Hostile]

I still don't get how Detroit couldn't afford to pay him 'ridiculous money' while Dallas could.

He will want more to stay in Detroit and Calvin Johnson's contract is more binding than Owens' is. On top of this Detroit has a lot of other money tied up at WR plus dead money at the position.

 

[Stash]

He will want more to stay in Detroit and Calvin Johnson's contract is more binding than Owens' is. On top of this Detroit has a lot of other money tied up at WR plus dead money at the position.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the dead money came off of Detroit's cap next year?

Do you have the numbers for Calvin Johnson? I would think his contract numbers have to be lower than Owens'.

 

[Hostile]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the dead money came off of Detroit's cap next year?

Do you have the numbers for Calvin Johnson? I would think his contract numbers have to be lower than Owens'.

30 million guaranteed.

 

[iceberg]

Doesn't Dallas have even more outrageous money tied up in Terrell Owens?

I mean he is now one of the game's highest-paid receivers.

Not to mention the mega-deals given to both Newman and Barber and the deals still to be worked out with Hamlin and Ware.

So how could the Cowboys afford to pay Roy Williams' asking price while the Lions couldn't?

and if we sign hamlin and ware their immediate cap impact usually goes down, freeing up money. the deal given roy could also be focused around guaranteed money.

if roy wants to be in dallas he's also more likely to work the deal to be more cap friendly than if he wanted out of detroit. his option however.

now - let me ask you this - would you rather have roy williams or matt jones signed before camp starts? all $$$ aside.

 

[Stash]

and if we sign hamlin and ware their immediate cap impact usually goes down, freeing up money. the deal given roy could also be focused around guaranteed money.

if roy wants to be in dallas he's also more likely to work the deal to be more cap friendly than if he wanted out of detroit. his option however.

Yeah, but you can't push money ahead forever. Eventually Romo, Davis, Owens, Barber, Newman, and Owens will have to get theirs (as in salary). And if it all happens at once, this team will be in serious trouble.

now - let me ask you this - would you rather have roy williams or matt jones signed before camp starts? all $$$ aside.

Jones, hands down!

(just kidding)

Obviously I would prefer Roy Williams, but I'm having a hard time thinking it's possible.

I think getting Jones is at least do-able.

Think of it as a consolation prize.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Don't forget that Terry Glenn has not signed the Cowboys' insurance policy, potentially forcing the Cowboys to cut him. I'm sure this has been covered, but what type of hit would the Cowboys take cap-wise if Glenn was released?

Another point, if Glenn is released, can Crayton be the No. 2 again? 9.4 ypc is pretty damn good. But, I would still take Williams over Crayton because of the explosiveness.

I would trade next year's 1st and a 4th to get him in a heartbeat.

 

[iceberg]

Yeah, but you can't push money ahead forever. Eventually Romo, Davis, Owens, Barber, Newman, and Owens will have to get theirs (as in salary). And if it all happens at once, this team will be in serious trouble.



Jones, hands down!

(just kidding)

Obviously I would prefer Roy Williams, but I'm having a hard time thinking it's possible.

I think getting Jones is at least do-able.

Think of it as a consolation prize.

the trouble is - we've got 2-3 of those already. you really can't compare jones to stanback/hurd and austin unless you're just stacking things in your favor. they rarely saw the field. would another one like them, even like crayton, take anything from our "real" weapons?

if we're gonna bust a move for a WR i want quality, not a consoliation prize we can afford when we've got those already.

i don't see jones putting us in cap hell again. i think you see that to help you get jones on here vs. realize the jones's can make #'s work now.

 

[Stash]

the trouble is - we've got 2-3 of those already. you really can't compare jones to stanback/hurd and austin unless you're just stacking things in your favor. they rarely saw the field. would another one like them, even like crayton, take anything from our "real" weapons?

So, if you're not comparing them, then Jones would be this team's #3 receiver today, right?

Assuming that I'm right about Terry Glenn anyway.

I would feel better about Owens, Crayton, Jones than I would any of the others at number three.

if we're gonna bust a move for a WR i want quality, not a consoliation prize we can afford when we've got those already.

There's a difference between what you'd like to do and what you can do. I'd also like to acquire another top-flight receiver but I don't think the team can get one.

i don't see jones putting us in cap hell again. i think you see that to help you get jones on here vs. realize the jones's can make #'s work now.

Actually, the price and salary involved with trading for Jones would be so cheap, that I don't think it would have any bearing on anything else. I think price is inconsequential in that regard.

But, if salary is a detriment to the Lions keeping Roy Williams, I have to believe that it's at least as much of a detriment - if not more - to the Cowboys in acquiring him.

Once again, to me, it boils down to what you'd like to do and what you can do.

 

[iceberg]

where would i see jones? competing for #3. don't see a need to put anything past 1 and 2 at this point and even 3 if glenn does come back in some role. considering both jones and williams are still on a team, it's all fantasyland anyway.

DA PLANE - DA PLANE!!!

 

[dargonking999]

omg, are we seriously gonna send this Roy thread into a Jones thread?

 

[Stash]

where would i see jones? competing for #3. don't see a need to put anything past 1 and 2 at this point and even 3 if glenn does come back in some role. considering both jones and williams are still on a team, it's all fantasyland anyway.

DA PLANE - DA PLANE!!!

Again, I don't see Glenn coming back in any role. Time to move on already.

I guess you're right, but I think one player is obtainable, while I doubt the other is.

 

[Stash]

omg, are we seriously gonna send this Roy thread into a Jones thread?

Blame ice, he brought it up!

 

[Future]

Although I would love to see it happen, two things are telling me it won't:

1) This team just paid Terrell Owens big money and has two more big-money contracts to pay in Hamlin and Ware. They may not be able to afford to pay Roy Williams' asking price at this point.

2) If the Lions traded him at this point, they would be sending a clear signal to their fanbase and the NFL that they were 'giving up' on this year. What team could afford to do that?

1.) I'll take a gamebreaking type #1 WR over a solid FS any day of the week.

2.) Its called rebuilding. Teams do it every year.

 

[Stash]

1.) I'll take a gamebreaking type #1 WR over a solid FS any day of the week.

Yeah, but one will have a salary of about $5 million per year, while the other's would be about $9 million. Big difference there too.

2.) Its called rebuilding. Teams do it every year.

Do they announce it by essentially 'giving up' before the season even begins?

I ask because that's the signal I'd get if my team was trading away one of our best players for 'future considerations'.