The overturned fumble

[silvernblu]

Clearly the RB had regained possession before he went down. The replay from the end zone (behind the RB) was the best angle. It was easy to see he had the ball when his knee hit the turf.

Completely false.

 

[adwar]

Not to hijack the thread, but I don’t want to start one. The roughing the passer call was only shown on replay from 2 angles and it took a VERY long time to get the first and longer to get the second… Live, i knew it was getting called. But both replays showed it was a terrible call and there are how many cameras for a National broadcast ? We can’t see it from the sideline camera ?

 

[Whirlwin]

Bull.

All you see is that the ball is brought back towards his body. There is ZERO evidence that he had control of it, because that angle didn’t show that.

All we know is that he fumbled, brought the ball back towards his body, and then lost it completely as he hit the ground.

More than likely that means he NEVER regained full control of the ball. The fumble should’ve stood.

EVEN IF you want to argue that he likely did regain full control of the ball, there is zero angle that shows that conclusively, which is what the standard of proof is supposed to be.

I couldn’t see Any angle that showed He had control of the ball. What it is what it is

 

[AtomicDog]

That was awful. He never regained control after he fumbled running into the offensive linemen.

If he didn't fumble it why LVE come up with the ball

 

[MarcusRock]

Clearly the RB had regained possession before he went down. The replay from the end zone (behind the RB) was the best angle. It was easy to see he had the ball when his knee hit the turf.

Ref lover! Do you have family members who are refs? Lol.

I said in the game thread that it was tough to overturn without clear evidence. Anyone remember what time of the game it was? I'd love to pull the video.

 

[HungryLion]

Ref lover! Do you have family members who are refs? Lol.

I said in the game thread that it was tough to overturn without clear evidence. Anyone remember what time of the game it was? I'd love to pull the video.

This is all the evidence I need that it shouldn’t have been overturned.

 

[MarcusRock]

Not to hijack the thread, but I don’t want to start one. The roughing the passer call was only shown on replay from 2 angles and it took a VERY long time to get the first and longer to get the second… Live, i knew it was getting called. But both replays showed it was a terrible call and there are how many cameras for a National broadcast ? We can’t see it from the sideline camera ?

Nah, the roughing the passer call was legit. You can't forearm a QB to the head/neck area. Here is a zoomed in video.

 

[JayFord]

he had possession after he bobbled it

then his knee hit the ground and the ball came out

sucks but it is what it is

 

[bsbellomy]

Bull.

All you see is that the ball is brought back towards his body. There is ZERO evidence that he had control of it, because that angle didn’t show that.

All we know is that he fumbled, brought the ball back towards his body, and then lost it completely as he hit the ground.

More than likely that means he NEVER regained full control of the ball. The fumble should’ve stood.

EVEN IF you want to argue that he likely did regain full control of the ball, there is zero angle that shows that conclusively, which is what the standard of proof is supposed to be.

Exactly, to say he CLEARLY regained possession is just not being realistic, just like you said you have to connect some dots on what happened inside the pile and that's not what the rule says the refs job is.

 

[bsbellomy]

Nah, the roughing the passer call was legit. You can't forearm a QB to the head/neck area. Here is a zoomed in video.

But that arm hit the chest.

 

[HungryLion]

But that arm hit the chest.

Ya have to know the refs are calling a play like that 99/100 times. That’s just how the refs officiate those plays all across the league now.

 

[bsbellomy]

I get your frustration and the league ref said that what they saw was repossession.

If you were going to be mad at it, I'd be mad bc it could have gone either way and they aired on the side of the reversal vs the call on the field.

I watched it many times and it did look like he repossed going down

Head scratching that you could watch every angle there and say you KNOW 100% beyond the shadow of a doubt he repossessed the ball. "I think he had it" isn't good enough.

 

[silvernblu]

Nah, the roughing the passer call was legit. You can't forearm a QB to the head/neck area. Here is a zoomed in video.

You’re freaken blind dude.

There is absolutely no way in that video you can say he hit the head or neck.

 

[bsbellomy]

Ya have to know the refs are calling a play like that 99/100 times. That’s just how the refs officiate those plays all across the league now.

What did he do wrong there? What rule did he violate?

 

[Nav22]

I get your frustration and the league ref said that what they saw was repossession.

If you were going to be mad at it, I'd be mad bc it could have gone either way and they aired on the side of the reversal vs the call on the field.

I watched it many times and it did look like he repossed going down

Yeah, that’s the point.

If it was originally ruled NOT a fumble, then I’d be fine with their decision to stick with that call.

There’s just no way there was irrefutable evidence that he DIDN’T fumble, and the call on the field was fumble. Horse****.

 

[Silverz1972]

That was pure BS. It was a turn over. Called on the field so it should not have been overturned.

 

[G2]

Bad call, good thing it didn't matter.

 

[Starstruck22]

The fumble that was overturned was a travesty. All angles clearly showed loss of control and no angles showed regaining control and given that it was called a fumble there was no convincing evidence in any of the refs views that showed anyone regaining control. Despite the announcers claiming such, there was no evidence.

 

[Direwolf63]

There also seems to be no such thing as holding the Cowboys d line

 

[adwar]

Nah, the roughing the passer call was legit. You can't forearm a QB to the head/neck area. Here is a zoomed in video.

BS dude… its in the chest and he pulled his arms down. And once again only 2 replays from how many cameras.. you do know at some point in time you are allowed do disagree with a call… i thought last week the body slam was 1000% 15 yards