The Parcells--Weis Connection Continues To Emerge...

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CaptainAmerica said:
Leinart and I believe more importantly, Reggie Bush would make most any college coach look like a genius.

Carroll was a respected NFL coordinater but never considered the defensive guru Belichik was in his career as an assistant.

Carroll's problem as a HC in the pros was he was too much of a player's coach, not enough discipline. I personally wouldn't want him.

Carroll was winning at USC without Leinart and Bush.

Anyway, doesn't really matter, our next coach is most likely Sean Payton anyway.
 

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Any coach worth his own salt, (or his agent) wouldn't sign a contract without it.

Maybe. But an institution like Notre Dame has no need to permit it. I'm sure they have more than one qualified applicant for the job.
 

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Out clauses are quite common in the college ranks. But do you think Notre Dame would give any coach an out clause? I don't.


Notre Dame was in absolutely NO position to be demanding or requiring anything of a prospective HC when Weis took the job. Urban Meyer had dissed them, leaving them standing at the altar.

With his pro background, you can be assured Weis left himself the option of returning to the NFL and a HC gig, if given the right opportunity.

Now whether he would want it now that he's beginning to establish something special at ND is another question.
 

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Nors said:
My Carroll Analogy was to Bellicheck - coaches with not a lot of INITIAL NFL coaching succes but had/could succeed in 2nd go round.

Carroll has already had his second chance.
 

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Notre Dame was in absolutely NO position to be demanding or requiring anything of a prospective HC when Weis took the job. Urban Meyer had dissed them, leaving them standing at the altar.

With his pro background, you can be assured Weis left himself the option of returning to the NFL and a HC gig, if given the right opportunity.

Now whether he would want it now that he's beginning to establish something special at ND is another question.

We will likely never find a solution to this debate, so there's really no point in arguing it I guess, but I doubt Notre Dame was happy to take whatever they could get just because Urban Meyer didn't want the job. It's a high profile position and a proud school and I can't see them agreeing to play second fiddle to anyone, even the pro ranks.
 

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I've already called the Parcells coaching tree guy that would be a great fit.

Edsall - UCONN.
 

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We will likely never find a solution to this debate, so there's really no point in arguing it I guess, but I doubt Notre Dame was happy to take whatever they could get just because Urban Meyer didn't want the job. It's a high profile position and a proud school and I can't see them agreeing to play second fiddle to anyone, even the pro ranks.

no I'm not arguing or debating it. Those are the facts. willingham was fired so ND could hire Urban Meyer whose dream job was ND. Then Bob Davie calls Urban, (who was named after a Pope), and convinced him of how difficult the job at ND was and Urban decides not to take the job.

ND had some serious egg on their face and was in a bind!
Weis, an alum, was clearly a fall-back choice. As they say, the rest is history and I'm sure ND is smiling and thanking Davie for his input on the process!! :D
 

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Coughlin Schooled and extensive Syracuse Coach P experience.....


Meet Head Coach Randy Edsall
Hometown: Glen Rock, PA
Alma Mater: Syracuse, 1980
Years in Coaching (College): 25 (21)
Record: 32-37 (six years)
Wife: Eileen
Children: Alexi, Corey

Only five times has a team ascended from Division I-AA to Division I-A and produced a .500 or better season in each of its first three years at the highest level of collegiate football and UConn is one of those programs.

Only 17 Division I-A schools in the nation have won more than UConn’s 20 regular season games since Nov. 1, 2002, including heavyweights like USC, Oklahoma, Georgia and Texas.

UConn joined the BIG EAST Conference in 2004, finishing just one win shy of tying for the conference championship. Much of the credit for this remarkable record is due to head coach Randy Edsall who has compiled a 23-13 mark in the Huskies’ past three campaigns and a 21-7 mark in the team’s last 28 games.

In the past three seasons, UConn has finished in the national top 20 for total offense (2003, 2004) and total defense (2002). Under Edsall’s guidance, the Huskies have defeated members of the Atlantic Coast Conference, BIG EAST, Big Ten, Big 12 and Conference USA during their brief Division I-A tenure.

In addition to this great success on the field, UConn has performed just as admirably in the classroom under Edsall. In two of the past three years UConn was recognized by the AFCA for its high graduation rates. In 2003, UConn was the only public Division I-A school to graduate at least 90-percent of its football players, and in 2005, UConn was one of only eight schools to both graduate at least 70-percent and win a bowl game.

With their membership in the BIG EAST for the 2004 season, the Huskies made the first bowl trip in school history. UConn went 8-4 against a challenging slate as the program gained its highest ever level of exposure with five nationally televised games on the ESPN family of networks, three of them in prime time. UConn used one of those opportunities to defeat eventual BCS participant Pittsburgh, 29-17, before a rowdy sell out crowd at Rentschler Field. The Huskies capped their historic season with a resounding 39-10 win over Mid-American Champion Toledo in the Motor City Bowl.

The 2002 season was a strong indication that Edsall had UConn on the right track to enjoy football excellence on the highest level for many years to come.
Edsall guided that team to a 6-6 record in its first year with a full Division I-A compliment of 85 scholarships. UConn ended the 2002 season impressively with four-straight wins to reach the .500 mark, including season-ending road wins at Navy and at bowl-bound Iowa State of the Big 12 Conference.

“This was the day that the man on the street connected with UConn football,” proclaimed a Connecticut sportswriter after the win. “It’s his team, and by gawd, he’s going to cheer for it.”

UConn’s .500 season was its best record since the squad won 10 games in 1998. The Huskies’ six wins were more than the Huskies posted in 2000 (three) and 2001 (two) combined. The Huskies were the most improved Division I-A team in the country in 2002, according to preseason and postseason ratings by College Football News.

The excitement for Edsall and his team continued to swell in 2003 as the Huskies moved into their new home, Rentschler Field, and enjoyed the nation’s largest attendance increase with a gain of 21,252 fans per game.

Finishing with a 9-3 record, many national media outlets, including Bristol-based ESPN, proclaimed that UConn should have received a bowl berth, a feat highly-uncommon for an independent team other than Notre Dame.

When UConn announced its plans to join the Division I-A ranks, these were the moments that were dreamt of, but they came sooner than almost anyone besides Edsall may have anticipated.

“I pride myself on taking advantage of opportunities and attacking challenges head on,” says Edsall. “I see this as a great opportunity. An opportunity to take a program to the Division I-A level and being able to put my stamp on it, along with Jeff Hathaway and everyone else here, and building it into something that the entire University and the state of Connecticut can be proud of.”

Edsall was named the 27th head football coach at the University of Connecticut on December 21, 1998.

“Randy Edsall has done a tremendous job of transforming our football program over the past six years,” says UConn Director of Athletics Jeffrey Hathaway. “He has proven to be the perfect fit for our school and our team. He has drawn well upon both his NFL and collegiate experiences to rapidly develop this program and prepare it for BIG EAST competition.”

Edsall brought 19 years of coaching experience to the Husky program, including 15 seasons at the Division I-A collegiate level and three seasons in the National Football League.

Edsall joined the Huskies after completing the 1998 season as the defensive coordinator at Georgia Tech, where he helped the No. 14 nationally-ranked Yellow Jackets complete a 9-2 campaign and earn a New Year’s Day win in the Gator Bowl over Notre Dame. Georgia Tech finished 7-1 in the ACC and earned a share of the league championship with Florida State.

Prior to joining the staff at Georgia Tech, Edsall spent three seasons as the secondary coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars of the National Football League. In his three seasons on Tom Coughlin’s staff, Edsall was a part of one of the most successful expansion franchises in the history of the NFL. The Jaguars reached the playoffs in 1996 and 1997, including a berth in the AFC Championship Game in 1996. During that 1996 playoff run, Edsall’s secondary allowed an average of only 217 yards passing to three of the top quarterbacks in the NFL, New England’s Drew Bledsoe and NFL Hall of Famers Jim Kelly of Buffalo and John Elway of Denver.

Edsall began his coaching career in 1980 at his alma mater, Syracuse University. A former quarterback for the Orangemen, Edsall started as a graduate assistant from 1980-1982. In 1983, coach Dick MacPherson named Edsall running backs coach. He coached the running backs for three seasons at Syracuse (1983-84 and 1986) and coached the tight ends in 1985 before making the switch to the defensive side of the ball. He coached the Syracuse defensive backs from 1987-1990 and during that period the Orangemen were ranked amongst the National Division I-A leaders in pass defense.

In 1991, Edsall moved on to Boston College and joined the staff of Coughlin. He coached the Eagle defensive backs for three seasons (1991-1993) and had his secondary ranked among the national top 20 in pass defense in two of those three seasons. He moved with Coughlin to the NFL in 1994.

Success has followed Edsall at every stop along his playing and coaching journey. He has been a part of nine different teams (eight as a coach) that made bowl appearances and came away with a victory six times.

The Jacksonville Jaguars advanced to the NFL Playoffs in two of his three seasons, including an AFC Championship Game appearance in 1996. From 1985 to 1993, Edsall was a part of seven teams that made bowl appearances and in 1993, Boston College upset three top 10 teams on the road in Notre Dame, Penn State and Syracuse.

Edsall was a three-year letterwinner in football, basketball and baseball at Susquehannock High School in Glen Rock, Penn. He was an all-state selection in all three sports in his senior season. He then went on to Syracuse, where he was a member of the football team and earned one varsity letter as a quarterback for the Orangemen. He was a member of the Syracuse squad that captured the 1979 Independence Bowl title under head coach Frank Maloney.

Edsall is a native of Glen Rock, Penn., and earned a bachelor’s degree in physical education from Syracuse in 1980 and added a master’s degree in health and physical education in 1982 from Syracuse. In 2005 he was inducted, alongside his brother Duke, into the York Area Sports Hall of Fame.

He is an active member of the Connecticut community as he has spoken at a number of civic organizations around the state. Edsall served as the honorary chairman of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society Walk in Connecticut for the past three years. Edsall also was the honorary chairman of the 2004 and 2005 Southern New England Arthritis Foundation Gridiron Galas. He is on the advisory council of The Children’s Home in Cromwell, Conn., a center for over 100 neglected and abused children and is the honorary chairman of The Village Walk For Kids. Edsall also partakes in several other charitable endeavors including serving as the honorary chairman of the Greater Hartford American Heart Association Walk.

He and his wife, Eileen, a former basketball and volleyball letterwinner at Syracuse, have a daughter, Alexi (15), and a son, Corey (13).
 

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Weis may have a mega five year deal Nors, but college deals aren't nearly as big as some of the deals NFL coaches will receive. Frank Beamer is in the top 5 paid coaches and makes a shade over 2 million, and hell were paying Sean Payton 1 million
 

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CaptainAmerica said:
no I'm not arguing or debating it. Those are the facts. willingham was fired so ND could hire Urban Meyer whose dream job was ND. Then Bob Davie calls Urban, (who was named after a Pope), and convinced him of how difficult the job at ND was and Urban decides not to take the job.

ND had some serious egg on their face and was in a bind!
Weis, an alum, was clearly a fall-back choice. As they say, the rest is history and I'm sure ND is smiling and thanking Davie for his input on the process!! :D

But there was some reported rift between Weis and Belichick as well. Weis wanted out of his position as bad as Notre Dame needed the former alum to ride in on his white horse and save the program.

Interesting that he had these comments the day he got hired....

“I don’t come here to leave and take a job in the NFL in three years. This is not a stepping stone. This is an end-all for our family,” he said. “When we come to Notre Dame, we come here with the intent of retiring here.”

Sounds like an out clause had been recently discussed, and it sounds like it wasn't important to him.
 

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Weiss is a ND alum, roomed with Montana! Who knew that! Its his dream job and I believe he's making 6 figures. Makes no sense to step back into Parcells shadow. None whatsover.
 

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I'll take Weis and Brady Quinn
when Bledsoe and Parcells leave....
 

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Nors said:
Weiss is a ND alum, roomed with Montana! Who knew that! Its his dream job and I believe he's making 6 figures. Makes no sense to step back into Parcells shadow. None whatsover.

Sure it does. The Cowboys are the main stage. The big show. BP is going to leave the team in good shape as well.

Its definitely not outside the realm of possibility.
 

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Nors said:
Weiss is a ND alum, roomed with Montana! Who knew that! Its his dream job and I believe he's making 6 figures. Makes no sense to step back into Parcells shadow. None whatsover.

He's making 6 figures... plus one crooked number in front. Or 4 times the $500,000 he was making in New England.
 

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2 Mill per year plus incentives if he wins the NC. Rumor has it that that would net him another 3 mill. Also an extra mill for making it to the BCS. There are very few coaches in the pros making that.
 

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burmafrd said:
2 Mill per year plus incentives if he wins the NC. Rumor has it that that would net him another 3 mill. Also an extra mill for making it to the BCS. There are very few coaches in the pros making that.


Yes, Weis is making some serious bucks. It's all about the prestige. ND is clearly at the top of the heap for college coaches because they would do almost anything to bring ND football back to its glory days. That being said, the Dallas Cowboys is arguably the premier franchise in the NFL. And JJ (who seems much wiser these days) would do almost anything to win another SB. This includes matching and exceeding what ND can offer. I consider this a distinct possibility if Weis is interested.

We'll see....but I would like to get to the SB this year. I don't think we win, but getting there is possible.
 

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Nors said:
Weiss is a ND alum, roomed with Montana! Who knew that! Its his dream job and I believe he's making 6 figures. Makes no sense to step back into Parcells shadow. None whatsover.


6 figures? Did you mean 7...is there a D-1 head coach not making 6 figures?
 

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Weis is not leaving ND, give it a rest. He went to school there. It's his dream job. He's making plenty of dough. He's already becoming the savior there. He'll grow old there. If you win at ND, that just may be the most prestigious job in ALL of football. Move on.
 
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