THE PLAN, or... my rant from a small, private board

[jackrussell]

...on this team...

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

NOT bashing the board by any means. Just saying,.....one of the biggest problems in our society is people spend far too much time telling you why you CANT do something instead of trying to find solutions so you CAN ACHIEVE SOMETHING. Quite frankly its a losers mentality.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

...another loser attitude...

.....His numbers, you know, the ACTUAL FACTS, do not support your claims at all. Ive already posted them. Feel free to dig up all the numbers you want of other D.T/NT types around the league. In the end all you will be doing is making my case for me. SHOW ME THE NUMBERS.

 

[jackrussell]

.....His numbers, you know, the ACTUAL FACTS, do not support your claims at all. Ive already posted them. Feel free to dig up all the numbers you want of other D.T/NT types around the league. In the end all you will be doing is making my case for me. SHOW ME THE NUMBERS.

Sorry, for a team in desperate need of some team leadership and chemistry, Rogers is the LAST person needed here.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Weight mandate among issues prompting Shaun Rogers to ask Cleveland Browns to release him
by Mary Kay Cabot / Plain Dealer Reporter
Thursday February 26, 2009, 2:09 PM

Updated at 8:55 p.m.

CLEVELAND -- Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers has formally asked to be traded or released by the Browns and isn't likely to change his mind, a source close to Rogers said.

Browns coach Eric Mangini has been trying to call the disgruntled tackle, but it's not yet known if the two have talked. Chances are, it wouldn't do much good anyway.

A Browns souurce said neither Rogers nor his representative have made any demands. Mangini did not immidiately respond to a request to be interviewed.

Rogers is miffed not just about being snubbed by Mangini on two occasions, but also by a directive he received from an unknown club official regarding the offseason weight program.

Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 --Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.

The mandate angered Rogers because he was in compliance with his weight all last season. What's more, he played on a sore knee much of the year and with a sore shoulder for most of the second half. He left one game with a neck stinger and returned, never missing any time because of the injuries.

Rogers came to Cleveland with a reputation for his weight ballooning in the second half of seasons, especially in 2007 when it was said that he ran out of gas. That never happened here. In fact, Rogers played some of his best ball down the stretch in 2008, despite the fact the Browns were out of the playoff hunt and in disarray.

Rogers is also upset that the team failed to reach out to him even after they knew he was miffed about the snubs and the weight issue. The club knew that there was a sense of urgency on Rogers' part, but failed to respond until he asked to be released.

Only now is Mangini trying to contact Rogers, and it may very well be too late.

Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, made it clear on Wednesday that Rogers' issues have nothing to do with money or his contract. In fact, he'd reportedly rather be released than earn the $15 million he's still owed, including a $6 million option bonus due next month.

The Browns would take a $9.7 million salary cap hit if they cut Rogers, according to NFl.com, but they have said they have no intentions of releasing him.


The unfortunate part -- for Rogers and the Browns --is that Rogers was rejuvenated in Cleveland and had a Pro Bowl season after virtually being run out of Detroit, where he was viewed as lazy and underacheiving. Rogers also rehabilitated his public image here. He was the best player the Browns had on defense last season and the cornerstone of the 3-4 defense.

It appears now that Rogers would rather play elsewhere than deal with the new regime. For his part, Mangini has said he values Rogers highly, wants him on the team and never meant to snub or show disrespect to him. It's not known if the weight mandate came from Mangini or someone else.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/02/weight_mandate_among_issues_pr.html

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Sorry, for a team in desperate need of some team leadership and chemistry, Rogers is the LAST person needed here.

................Show me the NUMBERS, THE STATS, THE FACTS, like I have already shown you.Otherwise this is just idle talk backed up by, well,.....NOTHING. You know whats funny, Ive already listed his numbers compared to Wilfork, Hampton, and Jamal Williams, he blows them out of the water. Im confident I can go right down the list and the results will be the same. SHOW ME DIFFERENT. You cant.

 

[jackrussell]

................Show me the NUMBERS, THE STATS, THE FACTS, like I have already shown you.Otherwise this is just idle talk backed up by, well,.....NOTHING. You know whats funny, Ive already listed his numbers compared to Wilfork, Hampton, and Jamal Williams, he blows them out of the water. Im confident I can go right down the list and the results will be the same. SHOW ME DIFFERENT. You cant.

You can list all the numbers you'd like. You can want him all you like.

Just as those who post TO's numbers. I'll pass.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Now here are his numbers stacked up against 100 million dollar man Albert Haynesworth in their best 5 seasons........Rogers.....322 tackles 22.5 sacks. Haynesworth.....221 tackles 21 sacks. Like I said, I can do this ALL DAY because the FACTS support me.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

You can list all the numbers you'd like. You can want him all you like.

Just as those who post TO's numbers. I'll pass.

.......But isnt it always better to base your opinion on hard facts instead of just perception? I would sure think so.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

By all factual accounting and on field production it would seem that Rogers has been unfairly labeled. I dont know what else to say, if people dont GET IT by now, they arent ever gonna.

 

[dcfanatic]

The facts are that Mangini saw what Kris Jenkins did for a while last season as a dominant force in the middle and he isn't going to let Rogers leave.

Mangini could care less if Rogers doesn't like him.

In fact this plays right into a scenario where Mangini puts his foot down and establishes himself as the boss by working it out with Rogers so he stays.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

And in closing.....REMEMBER,.A mistake is only a mistake as long as you fail to correct it!....LMBO. No offense to anyone, I just enjoy a good spirited thread once in awhile. But......I AM RIGHT THOUGH.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Knowing Avenging Hayseed. He will probably end up being right.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

The facts are that Mangini saw what Kris Jenkins did for a while last season as a dominant force in the middle and he isn't going to let Rogers leave.

Mangini could care less if Rogers doesn't like him.

In fact this plays right into a scenario where Mangini puts his foot down and establishes himself as the boss by working it out with Rogers so he stays.

..................See, now THAT I understand. Thats good logical debate with critical thinking. Makes sense too. Makes ALOT more sense than someone just saying ......ROGERS SUXXX with zero to back it up.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Knowing Avenging Hayseed. He will probably end up being right.

.......Tank you , tank you,.....no applause needed!...LOL

 

[Arch Stanton]

Now here are his numbers stacked up against 100 million dollar man Albert Haynesworth in their best 5 seasons........Rogers.....322 tackles 22.5 sacks. Haynesworth.....221 tackles 21 sacks. Like I said, I can do this ALL DAY because the FACTS support me.

If Rogers is so great he'll want a bigger contract than Haynesworth. I guess we should sign him and let Ware go. :

 

[Arch Stanton]

Knowing Avenging Hayseed. He will probably end up being right.

....and how would you possibly prove this? : : :

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

If Rogers is so great he'll want a bigger contract than Haynesworth. I guess we should sign him and let Ware go. :

................NOPE, He already signed a nice contract extention JUST LAST YEAR.

 

[Arch Stanton]

................NOPE, He already signed a nice contract extention JUST LAST YEAR.

He'd need a bigger contract to feed that obsession he has with food. Or did you miss the fact he's up from 340, last years playing weight to 360lbs since December. He must be really hitting the gym huh?

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

IF something like this were to happen, would it be o.k if I started a GLOATING THREAD?....LMBO Doesnt have to be anything all that big, maybe just put MY picture up next to Romo's on the top of the page!