The Player

[Givincer]

BP didnt handle TO correctly.

Bill put himself before the team. BP could have ridden TO to a SB win. All he needed to do was make him the focus on offense.

Owens got the ball more here, with Bill Parcells, than he did since he was a 49er. Hard to get someone more than 85 grabs, especially when so many are dropped.

 

[big dog cowboy]

When you look back, now, at how Parcells handled TO, so much of it makes more sense.

When the HC disrespects any player (despite the circumstances) like BP did TO by calling him "the player" it's wrong.

 

[Mash]

Bill had such a great record here....

Am I mistaken?....but did Bill win a playoff game here?

I dont know...Big Bill looking for work....talking to the enemy in a parking lot about another job while coaching the Cowboys.

The Great Bill Parcells....

Glad he was here.....Real Happy he is gone.

 

[Mash]

Terrell Owens is the primary focus of the Offense.

Not sure how anyone can dispute this.

Now how they go about making him a focal point is another issue entirely, but there is no doubt that he is a focal point of the offense.

After the Washington loss, he complained about the lack of balls but in that game, he was thrown too the most times than any other game as a Cowboy.

I think he was complaing about when he was thrown too....not about getting enough passes thrown to him.

I thought he explained himself pretty clear in his interview.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

BP didnt handle TO correctly.

Bill put himself before the team. BP could have ridden TO to a SB win. All he needed to do was make him the focus on offense.

Just like last year, oh wait..............

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Parcells was showing owens he wasn't bigger than the team.
Phillips called him family.

The first worked better than the latter, unless you are a dysfunctional family.

 

[Mash]

Owens got the ball more here, with Bill Parcells, than he did since he was a 49er. Hard to get someone more than 85 grabs, especially when so many are dropped.

haha....its funny how this supposed stat of dropped balls has become a big issue.

I remember the days of Irvin....he had his share of dropped balls...it was a given that he would have a few a game......but back then...it wasnt a big issue...

Funny how it only became a issue with TO....and now...did it become some kind of official stat? Like tackles?

We have witnessed TO make some great grabs....shoestring catches that shouldnt of been caught....yet we focus on the 10-15 he drops a year?

Really?

All WR's drop a pass...some get a finger on it....and its considered a drop....some are overthrown and we think the WR should of dove for it...

Does TO drop passes....sure.....maybe more then we would like to see but I dont think its that big of a deal.

 

[Mash]

Parcells was showing owens he wasn't bigger than the team.
Phillips called him family.

The first worked better than the latter, unless you are a dysfunctional family.

How did it work better?

What did Bill accomplish that Wade hasnt here in Dallas?

Playoff victory?

Parcells showed that he was bigger then the team.....looked for jobs on the side and then took off with Jerry's money and accomplished no more then Wade Phillips

Bill had 4 yrs here.....his best was with a Campo team

Maybe we should Wade the same chance....just sayin

 

[Dave_in-NC]

How did it work better?

What did Bill accomplish that Wade hasnt here in Dallas?

Playoff victory?

Parcells showed that he was bigger then the team.....looked for jobs on the side and then took off with Jerry's money and accomplished no more then Wade Phillips

Bill had 4 yrs here.....his best was with a Campo team

Maybe we should Wade the same chance....just sayin

Parcells was bigger than the team. Most HC are.

Phillips two years here, best with Parcells team. Just sayin.

 

[rcaldw]

I don't think there was any grand plan behind Parcells' "The player" talk other than telling the world he didn't really like the guy. It certainly wasn't to help Owens in any way.

Yea, and he had no reason to call Glenn "she" either. No point to that at all. And he and Terry Glenn hate each other now don't they? So, he had no desire to make Glenn a better player? And Parcells NEVER plays mind games does he? He has no reputation for that at all. ok

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Yea, and he had no reason to call Glenn "she" either. No point to that at all. And he and Terry Glenn hate each other now don't they? So, he had no desire to make Glenn a better player? And Parcells NEVER plays mind games does he? He has no reputation for that at all. ok

So it's not possible for him to have a plan on one and not the other?

Glenn was a young kid when Parcells said that about him and Parcells was trying to teach him a lesson about playing hurt. Owens was a 33-year-old long-established vet -- and a stubborn one at that -- on his third NFL team when Parcells used "the player".

 

[rcaldw]

So it's not possible for him to have a plan on one and not the other?

Glenn was a young kid when Parcells said that about him and Parcells was trying to teach him a lesson about playing hurt. Owens was a 33-year-old long-established vet -- and a stubborn one at that -- on his third NFL team when Parcells used "the player".

So its not possible for him to have a plan for both? And Parcells doesn't play mind games with older players? Just listen to ALL his past players. He pushed buttons with ALL of them. I don't think Bill Parcells did much of anything without a reason. I'm not arguing that his methods always worked, but I am contending that he and Jimmy Johnson had this very much in common.

When Jimmy held a press conference he said he was holding a team meeting, because it was a method that he used to get messages across to his team.

 

[lurkercowboy]

It is a myth that BP only called TO "the player." BP referred to TO by name as well and BP also used the "player" monicker to refer to other players, including in the years before TO joined the Cowboys.

 

[rcaldw]

It is a myth that BP only called TO "the player." BP referred to TO by name as well and BP also used the "player" monicker to refer to other players, including in the years before TO joined the Cowboys.

I, for one, never said that TO was the only one that he referred to as "the player". But you are wrong to think that he didn't make a point of it with Owens. It was pronounced enough that even Owens was asked about it.

 

[lurkercowboy]

I, for one, never said that TO was the only one that he referred to as "the player". But you are wrong to think that he didn't make a point of it with Owens. It was pronounced enough that even Owens was asked about it.

I didn't say BP never said it to make a point with TO. I'm sure he did, but it was neither exclusive or unique. Anyone who thinks it was invented solely for TO did not pay attention to the 2003, 2004, or 2005 press conferences. I think the media started paying attention to it in 2006 and it became associated with TO at that point.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Parcells was showing owens he wasn't bigger than the team.
Phillips called him family.

The first worked better than the latter, unless you are a dysfunctional family.

Really? Are you sure??
TO had 2 more TD's and yards and ypc with Wade in 1st year in one less regular season game than with Bill.

and a better record too..... 13-3 Wade to Bill's 9-7

w/ BP - 13 TD - - 1180 yards
w/ WP - 15 TD - - 1350 yards

You.... you.... you fabricator you! :laugh1:

 

[wileedog]

Really? Are you sure??
TO had 2 more TD's and yards and ypc with Wade in 1st year in one less regular season game than with Bill.

and a better record too..... 13-3 Wade to Bill's 9-7

w/ BP - 13 TD - - 1180 yards
w/ WP - 15 TD - - 1350 yards

You.... you.... you fabricator you! :laugh1:

I'm sure an entirely different offensive system as well as TO playing half of the 2006 season with the Statue of Liberty at QB had nothing to do with those numbers.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think there was any grand plan behind Parcells' "The player" talk other than telling the world he didn't really like the guy. It certainly wasn't to help Owens in any way.

That's a pretty aggressive thing to do to someone for no reason at all. I'd wager it was a test for Owens of some sort, and when Owens failed it Parcells had painted himself into a passive-aggressive corner he couldn't really get out of.

That's not commentary on Owens, b/c Parcels is famous for playing these sorts of mind games, and he'd be the first to say that they don't always work, but there's no other good explanation for intentionally alienating a known prima dona like Owens.

I don't buy for a second that Parcels was acting up b/c he didn't want him. I think it's much more likely he thought Owens would be a crap-shoot, all-or-nothing kind of move and that he was doing his best to break TO and fit him into Bill's concept of the team. It didn't work.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Really? Are you sure??
TO had 2 more TD's and yards and ypc with Wade in 1st year in one less regular season game than with Bill.

and a better record too..... 13-3 Wade to Bill's 9-7

w/ BP - 13 TD - - 1180 yards
w/ WP - 15 TD - - 1350 yards

You.... you.... you fabricator you! :laugh1:

Ok, you snowed in and still having NY drinks.
I wasn't even talking stats, I was talking about how owens was treated by Parcells compared to Phillips.

If Parcells was still here owens either wouldn't be or he wouldn't be a media presence. What does that have to do with stats? Patrone?

 

[JordanTaber]

Ok, you snowed in and still having NY drinks.
I wasn't even talking stats, I was talking about how owens was treated by Parcells compared to Phillips.

If Parcells was still here owens either wouldn't be or he wouldn't be a media presence. What does that have to do with stats? Patrone?

Because whether or not he's a "media presence" is more important than his and the team's performance, right?