The potential to have 4 new linemen

[OhSnap]

That's what happens when your replacements are journeymen... Going with Ware another year is a complete waste of a year. He hasn't been the same guy for the last two years.

Going with Ware probably is a waste of time if your expecting another 19 sack season but adjust your expectations and rotate him so he's fresh on third downs and you will get another good year out of him and he would probably kill more drives that way. If Crawford hadn't got hurt thats what woulda been done with him this year.

 

[theSHOW]

You don't know that he can't improve. He could end up being the Phil Costa of the defense. You don't know.

Sure it was one tackle, but did you see it? Textbook.

Championship!

 

[jterrell]

Why? If you can pay them you can pay other free agents.

the problem with all your cap posts is timing.

you can't keep ware til june 2nd and all the while sign replacements with his money.

 

[theSHOW]

I think it's highly doubtful the Cowboys have 4 new DL starters.

Both Jerry and the defensive line will get another facelift before the 2014 season

 

[xwalker]

the problem with all your cap posts is timing.

you can't keep ware til june 2nd and all the while sign replacements with his money.

They free up 7.5M by cutting him immediately (pre June 1st).

 

[conner01]

Well considering we don't have the cap space to be real players in free agency and any new starters are likely coming from the draft, to me, it's more scary than enjoyable to realize we could have 4 rookies starting along the defensive line. Even if we drafted along the DL with our first 4 picks, we're stilling asking a 3rd and 4th rounder to walk and start from day one. Unless of course, you're just talking about 4 new starters (not necessarily new to the team), as others have alluded to.

Personally, I think Ware and Selvie are both back next year. It also wouldn't surprise me to see Spencer brought back on a cheap, one year "show me" contract as a short term stop gap.

we will have the money to sign free agents. we can sign what we need. we can have plenty of cap space with the right moves and free agents don't cost all that much the first year. we can sign dez, tender bailey and jones and have plenty to sign some good quality help for the dline

 

[Kristen82]

I just posted in another thread that they could cut Ware, sign 2 free agent DL and get 2 DL in the draft. That could be 4 new starters on the DL.

They can't cut Carr due to the cap ramifications.

Cutting Ware saves 7.5M.

Who could we sign with that dough? Michael Bennett? Tyson Jackson? Lamarr Houston? Prob can't afford Hardy.

 

[xwalker]

Who could we sign with that dough? Michael Bennett? Tyson Jackson? Lamarr Houston? Prob can't afford Hardy.

Carr's 50M contract had a 1st year cap hit of 3.6M. The 7.5M would cover two 50M contracts or four 25M contracts. Bennett or Jackson should be about 25M. Hardy would be 50M but is likely to get franchised. Not sure about Houston. Henry Melton might be about 50M and Chicago has about 29 free agents including their #1 QB. Seattle has a young backup DT that is free and Chicago has a 3rd DE that's free.

 

[kirkjrk]

I just posted in another thread that they could cut Ware, sign 2 free agent DL and get 2 DL in the draft. That could be 4 new starters on the DL.

They can't cut Carr due to the cap ramifications.

Cutting Ware saves 7.5M.

How much money are you alloting for each FA DL?

 

[Vintage]

Bennett isn't going to sign with Dallas. You can go ahead and disregard that as a possibility.

 

[MikeT22]

We obviously have a ton of work to do on the DL. It's been ignored for so long that we don't just need a DT, but Ware is on his last leg and can't rely on Spencer. Hatcher is likely gone. Rat is gone, Brent is gone. We do need 4 new starters and there's no way we get 4 quality new starters on the DL in one offseason.

Probably the best we can hope for is a new DT and DE. Have to try and count on Ware again and along with at least one of this years scrubs.

 

[jobberone]

the problem with all your cap posts is timing.

you can't keep ware til june 2nd and all the while sign replacements with his money.

I thought u could designate someone a Jun1 cut.

 

[LatinMind]

Tyrone Crawford will be a starter next yr. Wether thats at DT 3tech or LDE he will be starting next yr. And i can totally see Selvie starting next yr. What Selvie did this yr was amazing considering they picked him up late. He's asked to cover the edge and play the run first. And he does that good. And still managed to get 7 sacks and a forced fumble. People get too caught up in the name on the jersey and dismiss the play on the field.

 

[xwalker]

How much money are you alloting for each FA DL?

The 1st year cap hit for Carr's 50M contract was 3.6M; therefore, you can get two 50M players (3.6M x 2 = 7.2M) or four 25M players (3.6/2 x 4 = 7.2M).

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ware isn't going anywhere. And when he rebounds next year for yet another double digit sack season and plays great all these people calling for his head will go back to being silent.

 

[xwalker]

Ware isn't going anywhere. And when he rebounds next year for yet another double digit sack season and plays great all these people calling for his head will go back to being silent.

That's not a good mindset. When Jimmy cut players, he couldn't care less if they had success with another team. That mindset has gotten Jerry in trouble by paying/keeping players that were not a good bet. Even if a player like Ware is 50-50 on getting and staying healthy and being productive, it is not a good bet. Not at his current salary. It is a much better bet to cut him and use the money on a top YOUNG free agent. It does not mean that there is no possibility that Ware is productive in the future, you just need to play the best odds.

If Carolina does not franchise Greg Hardy and Jerry could somehow sign him and cut Ware, I wouldn't care how good of a season Ware has next year with another team. Hardy is only 25 and is a stud DLineman; however, it's doubtful that he even gets paid as much as Ware's 2014 salary of 12.25M which increases in the following years.

The other option is to sign 2 or 3 players like Michael Bennett with the money gained from cutting Ware. It's a good bet that you get more production from that combination than from Ware.

 

[Vintage]

I think Selvie is back at SDE, Ware at WDE, Crawford at 3 Tech, and maybe a rookie or fa pickup at 1 tech.

I think there will be another DE added in the draft.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You can see it however you like. I'm not telling you how to feel about anything. Jimmy also didn't cut great players who weren't nearly done yet. Ware is a great player who had a bad year and I fully believe he's going to rebound and play great once again next season.

And I'm not even sure where any of this talk about success with another team is coming from. I said he isn't going anywhere because he's not done, and I don't believe he's close to done. That's just how I feel on it.

 

[Fredd]

That's not a good mindset. When Jimmy cut players, he couldn't care less if they had success with another team. That mindset has gotten Jerry in trouble by paying/keeping players that were not a good bet. Even if a player like Ware is 50-50 on getting and staying healthy and being productive, it is not a good bet. Not at his current salary. It is a much better bet to cut him and use the money on a top YOUNG free agent. It does not mean that there is no possibility that Ware is productive in the future, you just need to play the best odds.

If Carolina does not franchise Greg Hardy and Jerry could somehow sign him and cut Ware, I wouldn't care how good of a season Ware has next year with another team. Hardy is only 25 and is a stud DLineman; however, it's doubtful that he even gets paid as much as Ware's 2014 salary of 12.25M which increases in the following years.

The other option is to sign 2 or 3 players like Michael Bennett with the money gained from cutting Ware. It's a good bet that you get more production from that combination than from Ware.

I understand your premise, but it seems to me like that $7.5 amount goes toward what we are over the cap, right? Or are you expecting other moves like restructures to get us under the cap? please advise.

 

[xwalker]

I understand your premise, but it seems to me like that $7.5 amount goes toward what we are over the cap, right? Or are you expecting other moves like restructures to get us under the cap? please advise.

They can get under the cap without doing anything with Ware and Austin. It comes from restructuring Romo, Carr, Witten and Lee.

They can cut Ware immediately and have the 7.5M available for free agents.

They can make Austin a June 1st cut and free up 5.5M. That is more than enough to cover all of the draft picks and they can probably carry some of the extra cap room over to 2015.