The price for not keeping Dalton Schultz

[jazzcat22]

Gee I guess the talking heads on ESPN and NFL network are not in the media. I was switching back and forth and it was clear they thought it was a reach.

It is their opinion. And yes they get paid to talk. Have you ever noticed, the usually give 2 sides to every thing. Except when it come to Dallas, mostly negative, like many on here.

At the draft time, as I said, no one said it was a reach. If they have said so since, I did not see those segments.

 

[rambo2]

And I do believe that a number of the media rating drafts thought it was a reach as well.

They thought Tyler Smith was a reach as well and they were absolutely wrong.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No rational person would say Schoonmaker fell into the Cowboys lap. He was a 3rd round pick at best who got pushed up because of the TE run.

He does nothing for me. He's just a guy.

You don't like a Cowboys prospect. Shocking.

 

[quickccc]

Schoon is a better blocker and will be equal to Schultz receiving. He wasn't a reach at 58. Not at all. I'm glad they moved on from Schultz and that paycheck. Give me that rookie deal.

BTW the FO didn't feel like TE was a need. They wanted to improve the blocking. A chance to upgrade the blocking and replace Schultz fell into their laps.

What do you have right now to measure and based that off of ..?

Dude is a rookie with zero camp, ..zero pads,.. zero live games ..and has zero skins on the wall that proves that right now..

- Sure we have "expectations " and hope that Schoon will become the equal or better than Schultz as a receiver.
And it's a major job and level of competition between college and the NFL.
That could be more of an adjustment period than expected at the early stages.

- If you're taking a TE that early as the 2nd round, that would indicate "need " to me than what was expected.
And that would also indicate that there was something about their current TEs in Ferguson, Hendershot that they were not
content in the status quo. ..that they had to address in the early rounds.

- Of course we've all heard about the draft "rumors " that had the Cowboys targeting another Dalton-name TE in the first round. (Dalton Kincaid)
but the Bills seemingly anticipating Cowboys interest, trading up to bypass us to take Kincaid.

- BTW, .reportedly per David Moore, the TE they were targeting in the 2nd round (before the Schoon pick) at their spot was Iowa's Sam Laporta ..
but the Lions quickly nabbed him before our pick.

 

[HanD]

His cap hit for this year is 2.8mil

Texans added 3 void years.
If he sucks, and doesn't hit his accelerators, his cap hit over two years will be 6.2mil. 2.8mil this year, 3.38 next year.

If he does well, they can extend him before his contract expires to make sure the void year prorated bonuses don't accelerate all to 2024.

After the draft and he found out in free agency that he had way overplayed his hand with minimal interest. if he was willing to take that, i believe we sign him before the draft. reports were he turned down 3/36.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

This is an excellent point. The team actually wanted to keep Schultz, and would have if not for the cost. If Schultz had been retained, that second round pick could have been used for a nice RB or OL.

Would you rather have Schoon or Schultz + 2nd round pick ??? Paying Schultz is like buying a second round pick.

I'm not convinced Schoon is a big upgrade anyway. Schultz was a very good TE. Is Schoon really an upgrade this season? Maybe in the long run, but he's actually not that much younger than Schultz anyway.

 

[John813]

But that shows he was a product of the Dallas system. If any team valued him as an elite tight end he would have got paid. He just falls into that Mike Gesicki range where they are good but just not worth banking on anything long term.

They are capable of good games. But just not consistent enough to be in the upper tier and is replaceable.

Yea, just wanted to point out that his cap hit isn't 9mil.

IMO I think Schultz and Gesicki got "screwed" with the franchise tag last year when their values were higher/NFL teams were dumber with TE contracts.
Dalton got injured this previous year and Gesicki was an afterthought/didn't fit what McDaniel wanted out of a TE. And who knows if Schultz agent overplayed their hand to start this offseason.

I think Gesicki is an interesting case cause he showed under the previous regime he talent that could be used, but out in the slot, not as an inline TE or being asked to run block often. McDaniel pretty much planned around Hill and Waddle and just played Gesicki as an inline or not at all.
Gesicki's value would always be lower in that he's a **** blocker and runs like a baby giraffe. But I think if he can play out in the slot, his value could rebound as long as the teams use him correctly.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

This the obvious point that most fail miserably to grasp.

You dont resign a guy who you replacing him with?

 

[doomsday9084]

Good thread. I don't hate the pick but yeah, the Cowboys used a pretty high up draft pick to fill a hole they intentionally created.

Everyone is going to have a different pet cat but for me the hole is at RB. The big slug of running backs went in the 3rd round, which means that Schoon was taken in front of Achane, Miller, Spears and Bigsby.

Unless Deuce really lights it up, I strongly suspect that one of those guys + Schultz would have been the better choice over Schoon plus some capspace.

 

[charron]

I see schoon as a cheaper inexperienced shultz. I wouldn't have drafted him where they did. For what they asked Schultz to do you don't need a 3rd round pick but he's here.

 

[Praxit]

..Dalton waits another year. His Ego price would go Bull Market. Best they did it now, and moved on.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You don't like a Cowboys prospect. Shocking.

I was beyond shocked. Almost speechless.

 

[Loso86]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

Would you rather have a slightly above average TE or an extra 10 mil to pay 7, 88, 11 and soon 4?

 

[OmerV]

No rational person would say Schoonmaker fell into the Cowboys lap. He was a 3rd round pick at best who got pushed up because of the TE run.

He does nothing for me. He's just a guy.

I think he can be a solid player, but ultimately he doesn't upgrade the TE position. He just provides a less expensive alternative to Schultz. I expect he will be a better blocker than Schultz, but it's harder to know if he can fill the shoes as a receiver. Ferguson may get a bigger share of targets anyway

 

[big dog cowboy]

What do you have right now to measure and based that off of ..?

Scouting reports, draft reports, positional coaches interviews, coordinators interviews, various articles.........

 

[Reid1boys]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

Forget Schoonmake... if he does anything great, but Im fine with Ferguson and Hendershot.

They drafted Ferguson last year KNOWING he was likely going to be the guy this year. he did nothing last year to make me think he couldnt handle it this year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Schultz was a very good TE.

Schultz was a good receiving TE in a pass friendly offense. Doesn't make him a very good TE at all. If he was a very good TE, the Cowboys would have resigned him. If he was a very good TE, he would have got more than a one year deal in FA. After all he is only 26 and should be in his prime.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

No one should be losing any sleep over losing D.S.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think he can be a solid player, but ultimately he doesn't upgrade the TE position.

He walks in as a rookie a better blocker than Schultz. That is a huge upgrade for the Cowboys and why they drafted him and let Schultz go.

All I heard leading up to the draft he doing what we can for Dak. Well I would think protecting him was a high priority. Done.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Forget Schoonmake... if he does anything great, but Im fine with Ferguson and Hendershot.

They drafted Ferguson last year KNOWING he was likely going to be the guy this year. he did nothing last year to make me think he couldnt handle it this year.

I like Ferguson, don't get me wrong, but he was a late 4th round pick. Expectations are a little out of hand if we are saying they knew he would be the starter for 2023. Many 4th rounders are career special teams players and often out of the league by the end of their rookie deals.

If anything for a 4th rounder like Ferguson you should probably put expectations that he becomes a solid #2 TE, and if so that's a successful draft pick at that point in the draft. He showed last season he fit that role pretty well, anything else he gives is just icing on top.