The price for not keeping Dalton Schultz

[SteveTheCowboy]

Don't worry, no offense taken.

Well done, sir!

 

[big dog cowboy]

No Zeke and No Schultz how will mental case # 4 handle this?
Very poorly I suspect and predict.......

The Cowboys have better weapons than one year ago.

 

[Einstein]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

Neither... letting him go vs paying him big was the right decision, but taking a TE in the 2nd round was a mistake

 

[jazzcat22]

No Zeke and No Schultz how will mental case # 4 handle this?
Very poorly I suspect and predict.......

Man, calling #4 Brett Favre a mental case.

 

[erod]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

Schultz might be the most overrated player in Cowboys history. He's dime a dozen.

 

[FVSTONE]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

Since JJ didn't offer a BIG CONTRACT to Schultz, I don't think his pride would have allowed himself to sign a one yr for 9 million.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Why draft Schoonmaker who will be 25 week 4 of the nfl season? I think the reason is Dallas is in win now mode. At that age it limits his ceiling, but the theory is he is built to come in an contribute right away. Similar to the mazi pick who comes in and should be an immediate starter. I can't fault a team that wants to go for it while they can, and I don't think dallas has compromised much of their future. By not paying schultz they can put that money into core guys. The uncharacteristic moves of adding cooks and gilmore helps solidify the thought that they want to win now. Will Schoon be a better fit than schultz, we'll have to wait and see, but i think it's a sound philosophy.

If they were in Win Now they would have outbid the Texans for Schultz, and it wouldn't have taken that much.
Then they could have spent the 2nd round pick on oline depth or some other needed position. A big RB to pair with Pollard would have been a good option too, especially in Win Now mode. Get a Big RB who just *pounds*. Won't last past his rookie contract, but Win Now.

 

[Buzzbait]

kskboys said:
Not hard to find that he was not rated a 2nd round talent.

Dallas Cowboys did. All that matters.

Exactly big dog. The Cowboys know what they need and whether he's worth a 2nd round talent to THEM. They have to decide if they believe the guy will still be there later vs how bad do we need him! The Cowboys are paying the salary, not the so called draft experts around the NFL trying to out guess each other with nothing more than their personal opinions.
I recall there were a lot of alleged experts called Travis Frederick a "reach". As it turned out, he was one of the best Centers we've ever had, if not the best.
If the Cowboys make a mistake and really blow it on a pick, there'll be hell to pay for it and they'll hear about it for years, but if the Cowboys pick right, like they did with Travis Frederick, how many of those alleged experts will have hell to pay for THEIR mistake? Zero.
It's extremely easy to criticize the team in question when the critics have no price to pay for their mistakes.
I'm with ya big dog, "Dallas Cowboys did. All that matters."

 

[Bullflop]

Schoonmaker will have his work cut out for him to equal or better what Schultz had to offer as a receiver. He'll most likely be a better blocker than what Dalton Schultz was with the Cowboys, though. Whether or not he proves a superior all-around player than Schultz remains a question yet to be seen. We'll have a TE corps with the upside to be potentially the best we've ever had in house. I surely have no regrets for that. Let's hope Schoonmaker is able to get himself healthy and stay that way, first and foremost.

 

[Buzzbait]

32 out of 32 said that Brady wasn't even a 5th rounder.

Yeah but...but....the experts said...but ...but, and 32 out of 32 is definitely a majority.
Well if that statement is accurate, that's an interesting point. LOL

 

[Buzzbait]

Schoonmaker will have his work cut out for him to equal or better what Schultz had to offer as a receiver. He'll most likely be a better blocker than what Dalton Schultz was with the Cowboys, though. Whether or not he proves a superior all-around player than Schultz remains a question yet to be seen. We'll have a TE corps with the upside to be potentially the best we've ever had in house. I surely have no regrets for that. Let's hope Schoonmaker is able to get himself healthy and stay that way, first and foremost.

They do say Schoon has good hands, and that he's an excellent blocker. I think that's exactly the combination the Cowboys were looking for. And like you said, here's hoping he gets healthy fast and stays that way.

 

[Buzzbait]

and 32 out of 32 GMs didnt even bother to draft Brady until what rd????

Well, 32 out of 32 is definitely a consensus.

 

[kskboys]

kskboys said:
Not hard to find that he was not rated a 2nd round talent.

Exactly big dog. The Cowboys know what they need and whether he's worth a 2nd round talent to THEM. They have to decide if they believe the guy will still be there later vs how bad do we need him! The Cowboys are paying the salary, not the so called draft experts around the NFL trying to out guess each other with nothing more than their personal opinions.
I recall there were a lot of alleged experts called Travis Frederick a "reach". As it turned out, he was one of the best Centers we've ever had, if not the best.
If the Cowboys make a mistake and really blow it on a pick, there'll be hell to pay for it and they'll hear about it for years, but if the Cowboys pick right, like they did with Travis Frederick, how many of those alleged experts will have hell to pay for THEIR mistake? Zero.
It's extremely easy to criticize the team in question when the critics have no price to pay for their mistakes.
I'm with ya big dog, "Dallas Cowboys did. All that matters."

Irrelevant to the convo.

 

[eromeopolk]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

Like many of the Arlington Jonesboys players...Schultz is and was overrated.

 

[CowboyFrog]

That's not really fair. Schultz is propped up by his receiving yards.

No Cowboy TE will get near the targets Schultz got last year.

Exactly last year if Lamb was covered and Zeke was in who the hell else was Dak gonna throw it to?

 

[Buzzbait]

Irrelevant to the convo.

Not really, my response was actually agreeing with big dog cowboy's post. Didn't intend to take issue with your post, sorry if it sounded that way.

 

[kskboys]

Not really, my response was actually agreeing with big dog cowboy's post. Didn't intend to take issue with your post, sorry if it sounded that way.

Since the discussion was strictly concerning whether Schooner was a reach, it really was irrelevant.

Man, w/ such a cool nickname, I hope this kid realizes his ceiling and is really good.

 

[Buzzbait]

Since the discussion was strictly concerning whether Schooner was a reach, it really was irrelevant.

Man, w/ such a cool nickname, I hope this kid realizes his ceiling and is really good.

It was not irrelevant in the least. The so called experts claiming his selection was a reach are only voicing their personal opinions, not provable facts. Give it a break KS, your co called experts are voicing their personal opinions and that's all they are. They're certainly entitled to those opinions, but that's still all they are. Questioning the validity of those opinions is not irrelevant. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

 

[Buzzbait]

Considered a reach by ignoramuses. There were two more TEs taken before 90.

I do believe referring to the Schoonmaker draft as a reach carries an unjust negative connotation. Under different circumstances he might've went later but like you pointed out, TE's were being drafted and if the Cowboys felt they needed a good TE then it's perfectly reasonable to go get one when they did rather than waiting for a lesser talent.
Predicting when a player should be drafted is not an exact science. It's not based solely on an individual player's talent. It involves a lot of guesswork and personal opinion, not to mention the "Need" factor of a given team.
I'm no expert, but I don't see Schoonmaker as a so called reach, I think the Cowboys did what they had to do. They wanted a TE with good hands and excellent blocking skills and Schoonmaker fits the description, assuming he gets healthy and stays that way.

 

[Shane612]

I never heard anyone in the media say he was a reach. Actually many thought he wa sa good pick.
Only fans on here say he was a reach, and those were from the typical fans that think that know better, and don't like much of anything this team does.

There were few that I read: Sporting News, Pro Football Network and pff.com (whoever they are) actually said it was a reach.
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To be fair, I've also read articles that were somewhat-positive to medium-positive.