The price for not keeping Dalton Schultz

[CashMan]

Shoonmaker is basically James Hannah. Very very unlikely he will ever be anything close tl Shultz as a reciever

I'm glad someone else sees this.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And taking Torrence would have improved the blocking by a quantum leap.

Cowboys brass disagreed. Not only did they disagree, he wasn't even in the discussion.

 

[speedkilz88]

I find your assessment of Schoon in regard to Schultz to be more than a bit of a stretch. I'll concede blocking, but nothing else about their games suggest Schoon is equal or better.

And taking Torrence would have improved the blocking by a quantum leap.

The Cowboys run a lot of zone blocking. Mike Solari even said on draft day that they are looking for "athletic" offensive linemen. That isn't Torrence, he's a man/gap player who is not a fit for a team using a lot of zone.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Cowboys brass disagreed. Not only did they disagree, he wasn't even in the discussion.

Would this be the same brain trust The Zone routinely compares intellects with the Three Stooges. Now that's an indorsement.

 

[speedkilz88]

Would this be the same brain trust The Zone routinely compares intellects with the Three Stooges. Now that's an indorsement.

So which one is you?

 

[Buzzbait]

To them it may have been according to their draft rankings. I guarantee you the Cowboys board looked much different to what those publications.

When a team drafts different then what they think is best for that team it's a reach. Happens to every team. That's the flaw in looking at pre-draft rankings. They don't consider the teams perspective, only their own.

Exactly. Their perspective is how to make news. The Cowboy's perspective as well as any other team is how to meet the financial and talent needs of their team. TV talking heads, commentators etc are simply trying to remain relevant in the news world with what draws attention NOW. An NFL team's perspective requires them to be concerned with a lot more than just the cheap NOW news.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Would this be the same brain trust The Zone routinely compares intellects with the Three Stooges. Now that's an indorsement.

Just pointing out what happened. That's all.

 

[Buzzbait]

darthseinfeld said:
Shoonmaker is basically James Hannah. (Very very unlikely he will ever be anything close to Shultz as a reciever)

I'm glad someone else sees this.

Why? Our opinions won't change anything, Shultz is gone and he's not coming back, he could've stayed if he didn't get greedy and price himself out of the market.
Shultz was alright, but he wasn't that great. I don't think Schoonmaker will have any trouble matching value with Shultz.

 

[CashMan]

darthseinfeld said:
Shoonmaker is basically James Hannah. (Very very unlikely he will ever be anything close to Shultz as a reciever)


Why? Our opinions won't change anything, Shultz is gone and he's not coming back, he could've stayed if he didn't get greedy and price himself out of the market.
Shultz was alright, but he wasn't that great. I don't think Schoonmaker will have any trouble matching value with Shultz.

Why? Because you had (2) capable TEs on the roster that could of replaced that production. It was a wasted pick, like all the other TEs Dallas has taken in the 2nd round.

 

[NotForLong]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

Considered a Reach by whom?

How about this If we kept that average TE we woupd have missed out on Schoonmaker

 

[johneric8]

Don't Get the the love of Dalton, he is average at best.... our other three young Te's all have a chance to make us forgrt him.. I feel great about the young stable they have honestly... I thought they showed last year they were getting better and ready to take over by this season. many our underestimating shoons maturity as well.

 

[xwalker]

The front office felt like TE was a need and couldn't risk waiting until round 3 to get the player they wanted.

Schoonmamer was considered a reach at 58 overall.

Had we kept Schultz for 1 year, we could've gone Torrence, Mims, Drew Sanders, Kendre Miller or a lot of other players.

Would you rather have kept Schultz and gone with a different pick at 58?

Or are you glad the front office moved on from Dalton and that savings of $9 million this year?

Schultz can't block.

Schoonmaker is one of the most well developed and nuanced blockers at the TE position that I've seen in college football.

 

[ghst187]

Would this be the same brain trust The Zone routinely compares intellects with the Three Stooges. Now that's an indorsement.

I love how some people here rush to the defense of the Front Office with the sentiment that “well they know more than you…so we should just shut up”….when the track record of the FO isn’t exactly very good and barely have any playoff wins to show for almost 30 years. But they know best….

 

[Dools29]

Schoon was prob a slight reach, top of the 3rd type guy. I am sure the cowboys feel good about developing him and his blocking will get him on the field early, if healthy. Given this was the best TE group in years, they probably thought there was a decent chance a TE would be BPA at one of our top 3 picks which is probably prudent, but had we not addressed what the team saw as a need there, they likely wouldn’t have gotten someone who can step right in. That said, I think it’s possible had they gone BPA, they may have taken Overshown anyways.I just think with McCarthy possibly coaching for his job, they were locked into offense after adding Mazi in the first.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Schultz can't block.

Not to single you out, so this is also for the previous 100 people who said the same thing. Per PFF:

"Of the 23 tight ends to run block at least 300 times last season, Schultz ranked fourth best with an 8.7% positive run-block rate and fifth best with a 13.2% negative run-block rate."

 

[speedkilz88]

Schoon was prob a slight reach, top of the 3rd type guy. I am sure the cowboys feel good about developing him and his blocking will get him on the field early, if healthy. Given this was the best TE group in years, they probably thought there was a decent chance a TE would be BPA at one of our top 3 picks which is probably prudent, but had we not addressed what the team saw as a need there, they likely wouldn’t have gotten someone who can step right in. That said, I think it’s possible had they gone BPA, they may have taken Overshown anyways.I just think with McCarthy possibly coaching for his job, they were locked into offense after adding Mazi in the first.

But that's not a reach. Let's say they try to get cute and trade down ten spots to 68 (#5 in the 3rd) to the area "you think" he should have gone. Brenton Strange was taken at 61 you think maybe Jax would take Schoon over Strange? or one of those other ten teams? Or maybe another team trades up to to 60 and takes Schoon. Or maybe just take your guy before someone else does.

 

[Dools29]

But that's not a reach. Let's say they try to get cute and trade down ten spots to 68 (#5 in the 3rd) to the area "you think" he should have gone. Brenton Strange was taken at 61 you think maybe Jax would take Schoon over Strange? or one of those other ten teams? Or maybe another team trades up to to 60 and takes Schoon. Or maybe just take your guy before someone else

But that's not a reach. Let's say they try to get cute and trade down ten spots to 68 (#5 in the 3rd) to the area "you think" he should have gone. Brenton Strange was taken at 61 you think maybe Jax would take Schoon over Strange? or one of those other ten teams? Or maybe another team trades up to to 60 and takes Schoon. Or maybe just take your guy before someone else does.

I made that point in my post. Had they not taken him late second, there probably wouldn’t have been a guy that could have stepped right in. It wasn’t a huge reach but Schoon was assuredly not the highest graded player at their pick.

 

[kskboys]

Considered a Reach by whom?

How about this If we kept that average TE we woupd have missed out on Schoonmaker

By most scouting/draft services.

We've already gone over this, BTW. Most put him in rounds 3-4.

 

[kskboys]

Not to single you out, so this is also for the previous 100 people who said the same thing. Per PFF:

"Of the 23 tight ends to run block at least 300 times last season, Schultz ranked fourth best with an 8.7% positive run-block rate and fifth best with a 13.2% negative run-block rate."

Schultz is an above average blocker. He wiffed a time or two, which made people think he was bad at it. Really silly stuff.

 

[kskboys]

I made that point in my post. Had they not taken him late second, there probably wouldn’t have been a guy that could have stepped right in. It wasn’t a huge reach but Schoon was assuredly not the highest graded player at their pick.

Not sure Schooner can step right in.