The problem that will not be solved

[LittleD]

Well, since that is our only hope as fans, we better hope there is one. I didn't say it was easy, it's going to be difficult.

It's pretty much a hopeless situation since Jerry is not going to hire another Parcells. Urban Meyer is a college coach and not likely to demand autonomy in his first NFL gig. With Jerry or Stephen at the helm, most strong management coaches will bypass Dallas for other hands off teams. Sad, but true.

 

[Bullflop]

As the former assistant coach for the Saints since 2016, I think Dan Campbell would most likely be a good choice for in-game decisions but I'm not sure he's prone to present his ideas in such a way as to appeal to Jerry's sensitive ego. This may or may not be the case. If anyone here is fairly familiar with his personal approach, I'd appreciate their input.

Sorry but I failed to note that Dan Campbell was the assistant head coach of the Saints since 2016 as, of course, Sean Payton's protégé. That's some pretty good conditioning to work under, that's for sure. If he's even remotely similar in abilities to Payton, I think he'd likely be worth considering. He also has at least some familiarity with the Dallas system, as a former TE, so that's another boon to consider as well. If he's able to communicate with Jerry admirably, it'd quite possibly be a good match. Just some food for thought.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

And do we think the next HC is going to be an "in your face" HC? You think Booger is the type guy for that? LMAO, Kiffin thought that about Crazy Al too. Do you think there wasn't some give from Madden and Flores in getting along with Davis? You guys set this up as Garrett was already bent over, don't think so. I do think the personal relationship between the Garrett's and Joneses is a big problem.

I've worked for quite a few bosses and my first job was to figure out just how much leeway I had and what type of cat I was dealing with before I proceeded. If I was wrong, it wouldn;t last and it wouldn;t be the boss leaving.

Man, you act as if any HC is going to just ride in and put Booger & Son in their place, talk about delusions. There is no such thing as the Cowboys way, it is the Joneses way. And that is the usual with a family ruin business.

This, that is why JJ and Tuna did not last long but red who could not coach a little league too a championship lasted 10 plus years.

 

[CouchCoach]

The coach is hired to coach the team and not put them at a disadvantage with stupid and bad situation awareness. Sure Jerry and Stephen have their shows and are always seeking a mic, but the coach is there to coach the team. The disaster we have now is because the incompetency of the coaching staff and Jerry refusing to fire Garrett for his incompetency. Garrett has and still has the personnel to win a championship. He's not exactly coaching a pop warner team, although his offense might me pop warner. Garrett's problem is that he always thinks he's the smartest person in the room. He is stubborn with his coaching refusing to change. He never schemes, on either side of the ball, and says that simpler is better because the players won't have to be thinking about their assignments. Every year you can attribute at least 2 losses to something stupid Garrett will do. None of that is Jerry's fault, other than wasting so many years keeping Garrett here.

I am not defending Garrett as the HC on the sideline. The first time he used "situational football" to defend himself was all I needed to see. He likes buzz words.

Bit I do think he's had his influence with Booger on some of the decision making with positions but it all comes down to this last reason he gave for not changing, he is comfortable with Garrett. The GM in SF was uncomfortable with Harbaugh but he did get the team to the Big Dance before leaving.

The problem is the Joneses view a HC as a "go along to get along" guy and keeping the GM comfortable is job 1. They all remember how funked out Booger was when Parcells was in charge. They will not return to that as long as he's alive.

 

[cowboyec]

well thought out.
agree 100%.
the guy who owns it ain't going anywhere.
at the end of the day...the only thing our HC will have complete control over are the decisions made on that sideline on Game Day...and the preperations for it.

as for Urban Meyer....he has not really said one way or the other regarding f/o set-up or wanting control.
he did say this is "The One"......and I'm sure he knew who the owner is and what people say about how things work around here.
and knowing that he still said this is "The One".
just a thought......maybe he doesn't want complete control.
all I know is....on Game Day.....I trust his in-game decisions....based on his work history....those decisions usually work.

 

[Cybermise]

Bill Cowher

 

[Ranching]

I keep seeing either the owner steps down as GM or the new HC is given complete autonomy over everything from the locker room to the field. Both of these are wonderful ideas, probable solutions but both are totally unreasonable and will not happen. I will be shocked if the new HC is allowed to hire his own staff.

To attempt to solve a problem, it must first be recognized and then a willingness to address and solve the problem enacted. The first might be possible but the second is impossible because that would involve admitting failure and incompetence. And if the owner were to step aside, that would be for his son, equally as incompetent, to step in.

So, by asserting these two ideas, we are only wasting our time because those are two things that will not happen so we need to think of the next best thing.

I think Garrett's greatest contribution to the betterment of the Cowboys is that he's used his influence with the owner in the selection of players and positions and I believe he's seen as the conduit to the owner and his son from others on the team. He's the messenger.

As fans, we need a HC that is better on the sideline with strategy and tactics but influential with the Joneses when it comes to decisions regarding players and the type systems used to implement those players.

One thing we know, the Joneses are follow the ball fans and love their offensive stars so a counter balance to that is needed with a HC that is either from the D side or balanced and aware that ST are not an afterthought. I do not think Riley or Roman fit that.

We need a guy that can "stand up" to the Joneses but with diplomacy and understanding of the fragile egos he's dealing with and remember Parcells' advice when dealing with it. Don't let the owner think all of the GM's ideas are good. Think 'the owner comes first' is the mantra and he can get some things done.

This man must be equally adept at handling the FO and the team and retain respect from both and that is a tall order because in order to accomplish that, he must subrogate his own ego with the former but strengthen that with the latter.

So, who is that guy? Who can best fit his ego in with the Joneses and the team? Who can realize he can't solve the problem; he has to work with the problem in order to work around the problem?

We can begin by recognizing our real problem isn't getting resolved anytime soon. We need the guy to work around our problem and we've had that guy except on the sideline during games.

Some of you may know that I am not a big fan of Garrett, I do know he has been hamstrung by JJ but I still blame him for not winning. JJ is not on the field mismanaging the clock or players or play calling. JJ has given him the tools. I do blame JJ for hiring Garrett in the first place and for keeping him as long as he has.

 

[CouchCoach]

It's pretty much a hopeless situation since Jerry is not going to hire another Parcells. Urban Meyer is a college coach and not likely to demand autonomy in his first NFL gig. With Jerry or Stephen at the helm, most strong management coaches will bypass Dallas for other hands off teams. Sad, but true.

And even if one did, they saw what Booger did to Parcells with Owens and he had a contract that stated he controlled the team.

And don't get me wrong, I am not faulting Booger for running his team, it's his, it doesn't belong to anyone but him. The fans have a choice, go or stay but if you stay, it is still on his terms. That is the problem.

That's why I do not think of this like any other football team, sports team for that matter. The HC's primary job is to make the GM comfortable.

 

[CouchCoach]

Some of you may know that I am not a big fan of Garrett, I do know he has been hamstrung by JJ but I still blame him for not winning. JJ is not on the field mismanaging the clock or players or play calling. JJ has given him the tools. I do blame JJ for hiring Garrett in the first place and for keeping him as long as he has.

No argument here, he has not been hamstrung with his decision making on the field. In fact, we might have been better off if Bogger had jumped on the horn and told him what to do before hand instead of second guessing him like the rest of us after the game.

And I am shocked, this is the first I've heard of your dislike for Garrett.

 

[ConstantReboot]

No, he cannot make double that amount. You do realize they all share in the playoff picture? Of all the owners, except maybe Kraft, he's one that stands to makle the least, financially, for another ring.

I'm being sarcastic. Of course he won't make double that.

And I disagree with you that he will make the least. Where the hell did you pull that false facts from?

 

[visionary]

And do we think the next HC is going to be an "in your face" HC? You think Booger is the type guy for that? LMAO, Kiffin thought that about Crazy Al too. Do you think there wasn't some give from Madden and Flores in getting along with Davis? You guys set this up as Garrett was already bent over, don't think so. I do think the personal relationship between the Garrett's and Joneses is a big problem.

I've worked for quite a few bosses and my first job was to figure out just how much leeway I had and what type of cat I was dealing with before I proceeded. If I was wrong, it wouldn;t last and it wouldn't be the boss leaving.

Man, you act as if any HC is going to just ride in and put Booger & Son in their place, talk about delusions. There is no such thing as the Cowboys way, it is the Joneses way. And that is the usual with a family ruin business.

I dont agree
There have been inflection points in Jerry’s career where he has been desperate enough to get something that he has given up control. Those are the 2 points where Jimmy and BP were hired. I believe that we are at that point now and he desperately wants another SB before he dies

 

[ConstantReboot]

No argument here, he has not been hamstrung with his decision making on the field. In fact, we might have been better off if Bogger had jumped on the horn and told him what to do before hand instead of second guessing him like the rest of us after the game.

And I am shocked, this is the first I've heard of your dislike for Garrett.

He is not hamstrung. Garrett is doing what his master tells him to do. That's the reason why Jerry hired him in the first place.

 

[Praxit]

...so basically CC, the new HC must have a threshold level for BS. One for football and one for your boss. Gee, that is going to be tough. Im not an expert in the lease on coaches. But indeed, its going to take luck to find someone that will fit the bill.

I thought of one that maybe, might can do. That is Rivera. But are they willing to work with a Hispanic?? Not that it matters, but for the Jones it might. I suppose that would add more complications to the HC puzzle.

 

[Runwildboys]

Fine. I'll do it. Y'all happy now?

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I am not defending Garrett as the HC on the sideline. The first time he used "situational football" to defend himself was all I needed to see. He likes buzz words.

Bit I do think he's had his influence with Booger on some of the decision making with positions but it all comes down to this last reason he gave for not changing, he is comfortable with Garrett. The GM in SF was uncomfortable with Harbaugh but he did get the team to the Big Dance before leaving.

The problem is the Joneses view a HC as a "go along to get along" guy and keeping the GM comfortable is job 1. They all remember how funked out Booger was when Parcells was in charge. They will not return to that as long as he's alive.

Bingo to everything you said especially the last 3 sentences.

 

[willia451]

You're basically describing what we already have today. A 'C' level corporate executive. Not a "real" HC.

I'm very skeptical that someone like you are describing exists, CC. What HC or potential HC would also be able to fill the role of Senior VP of Football Operations? These aren't "corporate" guys. They're COACHES. And they need to be seen by the players as being "The Man" to instill and maintain discipline.

I think trying to find some kind of mutated hybrid that can do it all is wildly optimistic.

But whatever. Everybody wants Garrett gone and I'm fine with that. It's past time anyways. Let's just roll in the new guy and see what happens.

 

[fivetwos]

Well, since that is our only hope as fans, we better hope there is one. I didn't say it was easy, it's going to be difficult.

Heres what scares me....

A guy like Campbell, offered the HC job of the DC, and a 4 yr/25 mil guarantee, will NEVER turn that down....he would be thrilled at the opportunity....

Then Jerry swoops in with...."nah this is haa we run thangs w the cahbaughs...."

Ok Jerry, that's fine. I can work with that. And its more of the same.

In fact I almost GUARANTEE this is what actually happens.

 

[cowboyec]

...so basically CC, the new HC must have a threshold level for BS. One for football and one for your boss. Gee, that is going to be tough. Im not an expert in the lease on coaches. But indeed, its going to take luck to find someone that will fit the bill.

I thought of one that maybe, might can do. That is Rivera. But are they willing to work with a Hispanic?? Not that it matters, but for the Jones it might. I suppose that would add more complications to the HC puzzle.

I wouldn't hate it if the choice is Ron Rivera.
our tacklin' would improve.
over-all...I think he'd advance our defense to the next level.
I like the guy....I think it'd go well here.

 

[cowboyec]

random thought on Urban Meyer....he is a well-rounded coach...coached DBs when he started...coached LBs at Illinois St.....then moved to the other side of the ball coaching QBs and WRs.
explains why his teams are well prepared on both sides of the ball.

 

[Praxit]

I wouldn't hate it if the choice is Ron Rivera.
our tacklin' would improve.
over-all...I think he'd advance our defense to the next level.
I like the guy....I think it'd go well here.

..it would makes things really interesting. Rivera takes no BS from players. We had him here in San Diego, when the Chargers sported a top #10 defense.