The pros and cons of keeping Murray

[jrumann59]

This team finally has something positive going for it and people want to break it up. If it wasn't for the running game this team would still be 8-8.smh

IT isn't about breaking it up it is the fact that running backs that carry the load murray has never produce anywhere near that level again. Most end up a shell of their former selves, Larry Johnson, Eddie George, Chris Johnson.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I am so tired of cut Murray and sign AP crap. That is just garbage. Draft a rookie. Pickup a vet free agent and keep moving if we don't keep Murray. AP is old and banged up. AND he will cost just as much as Murray.

 

[Doomsday101]

IT isn't about breaking it up it is the fact that running backs that carry the load murray has never produce anywhere near that level again. Most end up a shell of their former selves, Larry Johnson, Eddie George, Chris Johnson.

Emmit Smith, Adrian Peterson. Keeping in top shape makes a big difference I would also say you got 6 months between seasons some of those drop offs have nothing to do with carries that happened the previous years

 

[jrumann59]

Emmit Smith, Adrian Peterson. Keeping in top shape makes a big difference I would also say you got 6 months between seasons some of those drop offs have nothing to do with carries that happened the previous years

Peterson or Emmitt never carried the ball 400 times in season. If demarco plays this weekend and is ridden like has been he will most like pass Emmitts carry total for one season and could hit 400 carries by seasons end. And demarco is not anywhere as durable as emmitt was. The only thing that MAY make him and exception is the fact he is injury prone and does not have a lot of mileage outside the season on his body.

 

[Doomsday101]

Peterson or Emmitt never carried the ball 400 times in season. If demarco plays this weekend and is ridden like has been he will most like pass Emmitts carry total for one season and could hit 400 carries by seasons end. And demarco is not anywhere as durable as emmitt was. The only thing that MAY make him and exception is the fact he is injury prone and does not have a lot of mileage outside the season on his body.

and all those instance is not about the RB but overall circumstances. Chris Johnson had a great year he also played on a team with 0 passing attack and once teams keyed soley on him he struggled in rushing but was still a factor in the passing game not to mention some outside issues and a contract dispute. Larry Johnson had 1 great year prior to that and after than he had a slew of injruies. Sorry I think when you look deeper at the entire picture of what was taking place on those teams it was not the carries that hurt these players. Eddie George you put him on the list and yet his career avg 3.6 yards and even in his 400 plus carries 3.7 a carry. Numbers can fluctuate when teams fall behind and are forced to throw more, George still had 3 years in a row of 16 games but that team overall was not as good.

 

[Idgit]

I am so tired of cut Murray and sign AP crap. That is just garbage. Draft a rookie. Pickup a vet free agent and keep moving if we don't keep Murray. AP is old and banged up. AND he will cost just as much as Murray.

I'm normally not one for splash signings, but AD is one of the true superstar players in the league as recently as last season. He absolutely changes how a defense has to play you, and is productive even running into 8 man fronts. That's without the great QB and the OL that's at least as good as any he's run behind in his career. He is clearly a better player than Murray is. And Murray's a very good RB.

If you can sign AD for a couple years, pay him handsomely but not shackle yourself to an old RB for when the wheels fall off, I think he makes sense for Dallas here while we've got Romo still. He's the only RB I'd cough up big money for, though. Otherwise, I'd use another mid-rounder to take the open RB spot and bring back Ryan Williams and let them fight it out.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

This is the ultimate catch 22. Everyone is saying that a 400+ carry back can't continue to produce. But what's the point of being a run first offense with a dynamic work-horse back? The reason Dunbar/Randle don't get more carries is because it's damn hard to get Murray off the field and they don't produce the same results consistently. My point is whomever the "next guy" is... what's he gonna do? Carry the ball less? Will this not be a reoccurring issue?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I think we can all agree DM is a great back. The challenge is: Can Dallas really afford both him and Dez?

If it came down to a choice, wouldn't it be more prudent to keep the player that directly impacts the play of Tony Romo? We all know now that a bruising-style RB would work well behind this o-line.

If DM wants top-tier RB money, wouldn't it make sense to let him walk and draft a workhorse-type in the draft and sign an affordable big back in FA?

 

[Bull Frog]

The defensive line is the primary reason we cannot sign Murray to a huge deal or even a deal that he wants. We have too many holes (pun intended) on the defensive line. That should be the number one priority in free agency and the draft. If we have money left over after signing Dez and a couple of others we can offer it to Murray. I like him, I want him to stay, but the personnel in other areas will dictate his contract offer.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

The defensive line is the primary reason we cannot sign Murray to a huge deal or even a deal that he wants. We have too many holes (pun intended) on the defensive line. That should be the number one priority in free agency and the draft. If we have money left over after signing Dez and a couple of others we can offer it to Murray. I like him, I want him to stay, but the personnel in other areas will dictate his contract offer.

Amen!

Sic 'Em Bears!

 

[big dog cowboy]

When was the last time Dallas had the number 1 running back in the league?
When we were winning Super Bowls.

We also had one of the best defenses in the league during that era. Today, not so much.

 

[egn22]

CJ anderson was undrafted and is making $405k this year. Over the 2nd half of the season he's become one of the best rbs in football.
We don't need to break the bank for Murray. We decided we wanted to break the bank on Romo. So we have to build around him with more defense, extending Dez, and adding more pieces that make financial sense.
Murray's amazing but I think the timing is just off.

 

[DFWJC]

The issue is the timing of his career year. If he was in year 2 of his next contract no one would care. But he is in the last year of his rookie contract having a career year and slated to get over 400 touches when he is considered a fragile back. He is not Fred Taylor but he is not as durable as Emmitt was. Not to mention a RB that is run into the ground in one season usually is done a few years later.

Agree with much what you said except you may want to relook at Fred Taylor.

Taylor's best days started right after being in the league for 4 years. His next 6 years were great and he was even pretty decent for 4 more years after that
He was one the more reliable back in league history after the bad luck his first couple of seasons.

 

[burmafrd]

and all those instance is not about the RB but overall circumstances. Chris Johnson had a great year he also played on a team with 0 passing attack and once teams keyed soley on him he struggled in rushing but was still a factor in the passing game not to mention some outside issues and a contract dispute. Larry Johnson had 1 great year prior to that and after than he had a slew of injruies. Sorry I think when you look deeper at the entire picture of what was taking place on those teams it was not the carries that hurt these players. Eddie George you put him on the list and yet his career avg 3.6 yards and even in his 400 plus carries 3.7 a carry. Numbers can fluctuate when teams fall behind and are forced to throw more, George still had 3 years in a row of 16 games but that team overall was not as good.

research every back that got 350 or more carries in a season. You will find an overwhelming majority never produced like that again and broke down or faded very soon after. We are talking something like 20-30 backs and all but a couple were never the same again. So do we want to take the chance that Murray (with his injury history) is the 1 in 20 that this does not happen to?

 

[Doomsday101]

research every back that got 350 or more carries in a season. You will find an overwhelming majority never produced like that again and broke down or faded very soon after. We are talking something like 20-30 backs and all but a couple were never the same again. So do we want to take the chance that Murray (with his injury history) is the 1 in 20 that this does not happen to?

I think you have to look at the entire situation, Murray is a back who has stayed in great condition. Do I want a risk getting some JAG RB like we have had since Emmitt Smith retired. Hambrick, Ju Jones, Tashard Choice, Barber, Felix Jones and I'm sure I am missing others. Some guys stand up and prove themselves and Murray has done just that sorry don't want to take an area of strength and go backwards.

 

[burmafrd]

I think you have to look at the entire situation, Murray is a back who has stayed in great condition. Do I want a risk getting some JAG RB like we have had since Emmitt Smith retired. Hambrick, Ju Jones, Tashard Choice, Barber, Felix Jones and I'm sure I am missing others. Some guys stand up and prove themselves and Murray has done just that sorry don't want to take an area of strength and go backwards.

you just do not get it. Giving Murray money for more than a year or two after this is HISTORICALLY STUPID. OVERWHELMINGLY SO.

 

[Doomsday101]

you just do not get it. Giving Murray money for more than a year or two after this is HISTORICALLY STUPID. OVERWHELMINGLY SO.

Oh please I get tired of the high and mighty crap by you. You have a view no more no less acting as if your words are law is a fricken Joke. You don't want Murray back fine that is your view based on other people, I want Murray back. If you don't like it too damn bad but this none sense of you acting as if your words mean a damn thing is really old

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I'd hate for this to happen to Murray personally, but think this situation would get a lot of laughs:

What if Snyder throws a bunch of money at him, then he flops at DC?

 

[Doomsday101]

I'd hate for this to happen to Murray personally, but think this situation would get a lot of laughs:

What if Snyder throws a bunch of money at him, then he flops at DC?

what if he goes to DC and continue to put up 5.0 yards per carry? I think there is a limit to what Dallas will pay Murray, heck I think there is a limit what they will pay Dez, I don't think he is getting Calvin Johnson money or Larry Fitzgerald money. On Murray I could see a deal for 4 year with an avg of around 7.5

 

[ghst187]

guessing Murray gets the franchise tag