The real reasons Dallas is so quick to extend Dak

[OmerV]

Well, I agree that plays a part. But the bigger issue is not investing in a capable backup. Maybe that's easier said than done, but almost every team struggles when their top QB goes down. Green Bay, Indy, even Washington all fell apart when they had to put in some scrub backup.

Agree with this. Before 2016 we would have talked about how dismal the record was when Romo didn't start, but when Romo got hurt it turned out Dak was a capable backup. A little luck on the Cowboys part with that, but the fact remains that paying Dak doesn't mean he won't ever go down, so it's important to have a capable backup.

 

[Hennessy_King]

So what happens if Dak plays poorly against the C-Hoks and we lose the game? Do we still try to re-sign him? Give him one last year on his current contract?

Let's see what happens in the playoffs.

How did he do in his first playoff game?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Given the lay of the NFL land, Dallas has no choice but to extend him. Dak is the best option, and if he develops into a top ten QB, that would be the perfect scenario.

The draft looks weak, as does free agency. Stay with Dak.

The key is signing him to a reasonable contract because Dak needs supreme talent around him. Hopefully, he understands this. I don't think other teams would break the bank for him anyway.

Also, keep drafting and developing quarterbacks in the meantime.

If the Cowboys extend him and I think they will, and then draft a young QB to develop behind Prescott that will only put more pressure on Prescott having to keep looking over his shoulder. I don't think the Cowboys want to add more pressure on Prescott. That extension that Prescott gets won't break the bank but it will be high enough to signal that he is the franchise QB and you don't add more pressure to your franchise QB's.
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[JD_KaPow]

They are look at 3 years of work not each individual year.

Why would you look at less information than more?

But for what it's worth:
Y/A
Wilson: 7.9
Dak: 7.4

Rushing ypa
Wilson: 6.1
Dak: 5.0

From 2016-2018, Dak is 12th in the league in Y/A among guys who have started 30+ games. From 2012-2014, Wilson was 2nd (behind Rodgers).
From 2016-2018, Dak is 6th in the league in rushing ypa among QBs who have run it 100+ times. From 2012-2014, Wilson was 2nd (behind Kaepernick).

They're not similar.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

As much as I dislike the idea, we really don't have any other choices at the moment. I just hope they don't go crazy and give him top QB money. If they stay at 20 or below per year, I guess I couldn't complain to much about that. Somewhere in the range of Dalton and Bortles is fair, imo.

 

[DUO_CORE]

Unfortunately, Dak's true value, be it more or less, may not be truly realized by most until he misses an extended amount of games.

 

[blueblood70]

Since 2013, the Combined Cowboys Record when Tony Romo or Dak Prescott has not started an Game?

1-13

But someone might say, well that is because the following QBs started those games:

1. Orton
2. Weeden
3. Cassel
   
4. Moore

Which is 100% correct. None of those guys, despite everyone but Moore having major starting experience in the NFL before their stint in Dallas, were just never great QBs.

But think about the last two Draft QBs that were most linked with the Cowboys before the Cowboys "settled" for Dak:

1. Johnny Manziel
2. Paxton Lynch

Ouch. Both guys just last two years in the league. TWO YEARS. For shame.

So, IMO, these are the biggest reasons why Dallas is trying to lock up Dak sooner than later.

Right or wrong, it will be interesting to see how it works out. But considering the alternatives and history, I can't blame them too much.

the issue is NOT extending him early, THIS HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH EVER SINCE LOUD MOUTH JJ SADI THIS PUBLICALLY,

IT HOW MUCH$$$$ WILL THEY OFFER WHAT WILL THEY AGREE ON..???? IDC at all if they extend him but they will be one stupid franchise if they go early and OVER pay him by bidding against themselves..its the cost that concerns most fans..if Dak and agents become dead set on 25pus and all guarantees way high, you say NO and wait and then again try and say no and use FT on him..the cowboys are in FULL CONTROL , the FT, the 5th year options etc etc..no need to over pay, just play hardball and come up with something fair..19-23mil per 60% guaranteed front loaded and I can live with it.

 

[glimmerman]

If they can sign him cheaper it leaves more money for talent to surround him with. He has not hit his ceiling yet so he is improving. He is developing his accuracy and needs to learn to take off with the ball or move around in the pocket. I think he can be a very good QB in this league. The breez, rogers, bradys will soon be gone. Time to usher in the new qbs. The draft class that Dak came out of it seems like he may be one of the best. Next year isn’t holding much.

 

[Dre11]

They are look at 3 years of work not each individual year.

Their rush,

Why would you look at less information than more?

But for what it's worth:
Y/A
Wilson: 7.9
Dak: 7.4

Rushing ypa
Wilson: 6.1
Dak: 5.0

From 2016-2018, Dak is 12th in the league in Y/A among guys who have started 30+ games. From 2012-2014, Wilson was 2nd (behind Rodgers).
From 2016-2018, Dak is 6th in the league in rushing ypa among QBs who have run it 100+ times. From 2012-2014, Wilson was 2nd (behind Kaepernick).

They're not similar.

First 3 years in the league. The guys start talking about it around 29:25 mark

https://www.dallascowboys.com/video/talkin-cowboys-dak-vs-russ?sf205329135=1



DAK vs Russell

Total yards rushing and passing

Russell 11,827
Dak 11,820

Total passing yards
Russell 9,950 yards
Dak. 10,876 yards

Total rushing yards
Russell 1877 yards
Dak 944 rushing

Tds passing produced
Russell 72
DAL 69

RUSHING Td produced
Russell 20
Dak 18

Ints

Russell 26
Dak 25

 

[erod]

If the Cowboys extend him and I think they will, and then draft a young QB to develop behind Prescott that will only put more pressure on Prescott having to keep looking over his shoulder. I don't think the Cowboys want to add more pressure on Prescott. That extension that Prescott gets won't break the bank but it will be high enough to signal that he is the franchise QB and you don't add more pressure to your franchise QB's.
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Did it put more pressure on Farve when they drafted Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Koy Detmer, Matt Flynn, Aaron Rodgers, etc?

If that's all it takes to throw Dak off kilter, then he's DEFINITELY not the guy.

 

[erod]

He's our guy for sure in 2019
But unless we think Dak is going to blow and play at VERY high level next season, I don't see the rush to tie him up early.
The 2020 Draft class could be really good and the really QB needy teams will be pretty excited about those guys.
If we do plan to extend Dak and roll with him long term, I'm not sure he would get offers so great he wouldn't return.

Having said that, it sounds like Jerry will extend him this offseason anyway

fwiw, I do think duds like Weeden et al would have a bit better record with a monster like Zeke in the backfield instead of those jags they ran out there in 2015.

Can you imagine how many teams will be tanking the 2020 season for Trevor Lawrence?

He's better than half the NFL quarterbacks right now.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Problem with that scenario is that the Cowboys aren't getting a new OC and QB coach.

What would do you do then?

That is still yet to be determined in regards to an OC and QB coach. If not. I still play it out and see how Dak improves or regresses.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Their rush,


First 3 years in the league. The guys start talking about it around 29:25 mark

https://www.dallascowboys.com/video/talkin-cowboys-dak-vs-russ?sf205329135=1

DAK vs Russell

Total yards rushing and passing

Russell 11,827
Dak 11,820

Total passing yards
Russell 9,950 yards
Dak. 10,876 yards

Total rushing yards
Russell 1877 yards
Dak 944 rushing

Tds passing produced
Russell 72
DAL 69

RUSHING Td produced
Russell 20
Dak 18

Ints

Russell 26
Dak 25

Yeah, that's pretty much all a function of Dak dropping back over 200 times more than Wilson. The meaningful numbers are the ones I already gave you, and they indicate pretty clearly the significant difference in their performance over their first three years. Don't confuse quantity for quality. And of course, the numbers I first showed you indicate the difference in their performance trends with time.

 

[TheHerd]

Ultimately if we fail in the playoffs the offensive coordinator will be gone especially if it's an offensive fail.

If we don't score 30+ four games in a row en route to a SB I bet Linehan and Moore are gone.

 

[Dre11]

Yeah, that's pretty much all a function of Dak dropping back over 200 times more than Wilson. The meaningful numbers are the ones I already gave you, and they indicate pretty clearly the significant difference in their performance over their first three years. Don't confuse quantity for quality. And of course, the numbers I first showed you indicate the difference in their performance trends with time.

So what, it's their production, those numbers you gave are no more meaningful than the numbers Bill Jones gave, there's a lot of factors that go into all numbers, both supporting casts, offensive system, field position...etc. the fact is they both have similar numbers after their first 3 years.

 

[JD_KaPow]

So what, it's their production, those numbers you gave are no more meaningful than the numbers Bill Jones gave, there's a lot of factors that go into all numbers, both supporting casts, offensive system, field position...etc. the fact is they both have similar numbers after their first 3 years.

Many of their raw counting numbers are similar (some are not). Their performance is not at all similar. There's a difference. Again, don't confuse quantity for quality.

If you're trying to say the numbers don't mean anything (which is what it sounds like you're saying in this post), then why do you care so much about their numbers being similar?

 

[Dre11]

Many of their raw counting numbers are similar (some are not). Their performance is not at all similar. There's a difference. Again, don't confuse quantity for quality.

If you're trying to say the numbers don't mean anything (which is what it sounds like you're saying in this post), then why do you care so much about their numbers being similar?

Didnt I say their numbers are pretty similar over their first 3 season ? You moved the goalposts to performance , which is subjective when you look at the scheme differences and supporting casts.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Didnt I say their numbers are pretty similar over their first 3 season ? You moved the goalposts to performance , which is subjective when you look at the scheme differences and supporting casts.

Sigh. Here's what you said:

"They want to sign him because he has all the making of being a top qb and they like him. His stats over his first three years are very similar to Wilson in almost every category."

You used the "similar stats" statement as support for your argument that Dak has "all the making of being a top qb." Now you want to pretend you just tossed out that statement but not because you thought it meant anything. But that ain't true.
And the statement still isn't true. Their stats are not "very similar" in "almost every category." They're different in several very important categories, and Wilson's are better in every case.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Well, I agree that plays a part. But the bigger issue is not investing in a capable backup.

We invested in Dak, and now invested in White. I have my theory that churning college QBs until you hit the elite one to pay is the way to go. I just don't think it's that hard to find a QB to dink and dunk.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Most players who you want to keep get atleast an offer to extend before last year of contract
It’s a safe approach that prevents a hold out in last year or having to use tag

Correct. And it lessens the annual cap hits, sometimes immensely, over the life of the contract.

We sign Dak to a 4 yr 100M extension the year before his contract is up? That makes the AAV $20M instead of $25M.