The real reasons Dallas is so quick to extend Dak

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  1. Dre11

    Dre11 Well-Known Member

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    You're lost, yes I said Dak has the making of being a top qb, they're numbers/stats are similar, at the same point in there career, they are very similar, Russell didn't come into his own until around his 4th season before then he leaned heavily on a run game and that juggernaut of a defense. He's now in his 6th or 7th.
     
  2. Dorsett33

    Dorsett33 Well-Known Member

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    Why can't it be his play and his potential?
     
  3. Fmart322

    Fmart322 Well-Known Member

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    Before the eagles traded up with the Browns the Cowboys were going after Carson Wentz.
     
  4. SackMaster

    SackMaster Well-Known Member

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    Well, it is.

    Sure, it was not listed directly, but Dak was a key component, along with Zeke, and took a 4-12 team to 13-3. And while I would not argue with Zeke being the most important to the offense's success, Dak is still 4-3 without Zeke in the lineup.

    Then even without Zeke, Dak has 4x as many wins in just over half of the games played by QBs not named Romo in the past 5 years. And one could argue that the 3 losses without Zeke had much more to do with the turnstyle that was Chaz Green than Zeke himself.

    In a results based business, Dak has good results. He can do better, but with a team that has not had a losing record since he has become starter and has won it's division in 2 of his 3 years, he is a much better QB than what most "fans" are giving him credit for.

    Thus the Cowboys are going to be willing to pay the man, even if they "overpay" (which is completely subjective anyways).
     
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  5. SackMaster

    SackMaster Well-Known Member

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    That seems HIGHLY unlikely.

    In 2016, the Cowboys Draft Board was leaked, and while Wentz was pretty high on the board #7, he still was behind, in the following order:
    1. Zeke
    2. Ramsey
    3. Tunsil
    4. Bosa
    5. Jaylon
    6. Myles
    I'm not the best at math, but it sure would seem that it was highly likely that one of their top 6 guys would have been there at #4.

    But you can clearly see they thought highly of Lynch (12th overall) and with the reports of their trying to trade up for him in the 2nd Round, that sounds waaaaayyyyy more believable than them taking the #7 guy on their board at the #4 overall spot.

    That seems more like wishful thinking from the Wentz Fans than actual fact.

    Just Sayin'
     
  6. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    How many teams have good QBs?

    Is it half the teams or 1/4 of the teams?

    It's a crapshoot to find a good NFL QB.

    Many guys with good/great physical talent just don't end up as quality NFL QBs.

    How did a guy like Mark Sanchez win in his prime?
     
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  7. kskboys

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    I think it's a bit harder than you do, but at the same time you do not overpay dinkydunkers. See Dalton.
     
  8. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Holy crapp, I can't believe anyone thinks a starting QB in the NFL shouldn't be able to take the pressure of competition.
     
  9. buybuydandavis

    buybuydandavis Well-Known Member

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    That's my point. I think dinkydunkers are replaceable cheaply. You churn them. You can be competitive for a championship with a cheap dinkydunker. And then if you get a guy who can be the real deal, you sign him. But you can't get stuck with a meh at elite prices.

    I'd like us to treat QBs the way I'd like us to treat RBs. Keep them coming and churn. We should have a couple Mike Whites on the team at all times. That extra roster spot is an investment in not having to spend 20mil for a free agent contract. A backup QB. Maybe someone you can trade. Invest in the most expensive position.

    I think the draft pool has deepened a lot with the changes in the college games. Lots of QBs throwing lots more passes than they used to. I could be wrong. But that's the way I'd bet.
     
  10. LACowboysFan1

    LACowboysFan1 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, no doubt, decisions like that are seldom made while the team is in a playoff run, but considering Moore has only been the qb coach for a year (two? don't recall) and since the Cowboys are in the playoffs this year, and 2 of the last 3, I seriously doubt a new OC is in the near future.

    But hey, never know with Jerry!
     
  11. LACowboysFan1

    LACowboysFan1 Well-Known Member

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    I do think teams prefer to have the Brady, Brees, etc type quarterback. But if you can't get one of those, I don't see trading one "dink and dunk" quarterback for a different one every few years is worth it, I'd just keep the same one, at least you know what you've got...
     
  12. Hook'em#11

    Hook'em#11 Well-Known Member

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    This is Moore's first year as a coach. He has a total, of three, yes, 3 games of experience in the NFL. There is no reason other than the Cowboys found it cheaper to make this guy a coach rather than find a coach with some actual experience who has seen some things. I have no doubt that Dak's play has been affected this season by the lack of coaching from Moore. The current OC has shown in the seasons he needs to go.
     
  13. Fmart322

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    That was written in July of 2016. What was leaked could have been
    How do we know that leaked list is actually the Cowboys true draft rankings? Has anyone from the Cowboys confirmed it or is this just wishful thinking?
     
  14. SackMaster

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    If you click on the link, it will take you to the Blogging the Boys story that showed the leaked photo of the Cowboys Draft Board in 2016.

    I try to present things I claim as "facts" with some proof to back it up. And if I'm using my opinion on a post, I do my best to make sure I do not present that as fact.

    As far as wishful thinking, I don't waste my time and/or energy worrying about things I have absolutely have no control over.

    Regardless of how good or terrible I believe Dak is, I do not control his contract and don't really care what he gets paid when/if he gets extended. And if the Cowboys allow Dak to play out his contract and don't resign him, oh well.

    It's up to the Cowboys Front Office to build a complete team regardless how much cap space any individual player takes up. And since they are the ones presenting the contract offers, they are in total control on how hard / easy they are making it on THEMSELVES when it comes to building a complete team.
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  15. Fmart322

    Fmart322 Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough.
     
  16. gjkoeppen

    gjkoeppen Well-Known Member

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    Here's the flaws with your reply. For Brett Favre (not Farve) both Mark Brunell drafted in the 5th round of Favre second season and Ty (not Koy) Detmer drafted in the 9th round just after the peckers gave up a 1st round pick to trade for Favre. Both were drafted to find his BACKUP, not as a possible replacement for Favre. The peckers gave up a 1st round pick for Favre and weren't going to throw in the towel after one season to find his replacement. Rogers was the only QB that the peckers drafted to groom as a possible replacement for Favre a couple years down the road when they thought he may retire which at that point Favre had been a starting QB for THIRTEEN seasons. Oh and Flynn was drafted AFTER Favre was no longer on the peckers so I don't know what he has to do with anything.

    My response to the Cowboys drafting another QB in the 2019 draft to groom is valid because that person implied that this QB could then take over for Prescott and if the Cowboys were to waste a pick (they don't have a 1st) on another QB to groom after extending Prescott, that would put unnecessary extra pressure on Prescott to continue to progress having to constantly look over his should. Only Prescott haters would think this is smart thing to do, but from a strictly business stand point to extend Prescott and it would be for starting franchise type money and then draft a possible replacement is foolishness at it's highest form.
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  17. gjkoeppen

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    I'm not sure when that draft board was leaked, but teams do what is called gamesmanship (otherwise known as lying) every year. I'm not saying that you didn't see A draft board, but but if it was leaked, I seriously doubt it was their real draft board. I remember seeing an interview with Mike Zimmer about a week or 2 before the draft and they flashed a draft board couple of times that turned out to be a completely fake board so the rest of the NFC North teams didn't know who they were really targeting in the draft. Again gamesmanship goes on every year.
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  18. gjkoeppen

    gjkoeppen Well-Known Member

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    That 5th year option isn't available for Prescott. There is only 5th year options on players taken in the 1st round.
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  19. blueblood70

    blueblood70 Well-Known Member

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    I meant those that can wait Dak is under contract though 2019 right no rush, Zeke has fifth yr option Amari has another yr.. im saying if they play hard ball we have the upper hand as theres no real rush to overpay these guys..they all want to reup after 3 yrs and thats just not plausible unless they are willing to give and meet the FO in the middle....
     
  20. gjkoeppen

    gjkoeppen Well-Known Member

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    What Dre11 said is true. The 2 key words you seemed to have missed are similar and almost. Their first 3 seasons many of their stats are very similar. Total yards Wilson has all of 7 more yards. I'd call that similar. Total passing yards Prescott has Wilson beat. I don't know how that could not be similar. TD passes Wilson has 3 more and again I'd call that similar. Rushing TD's Wilson has all of 2 more and again I'd call that similar. int's Wilson has 1 more and again that is similar. Now I'm sure there are more but from these Prescott and Wilson's first 3 seasons are very similar stat wise.
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