The risk of high defensive draft picks

[erod]

This team needs defensive help! Zeke was a wasted pick! How is this team going to win if they don't address the defense! Defense, defense, defense!

OK, let's put this to bed. DEFENSIVE DRAFT PICKS TAKE A LOOOOOONG TIME TO MAKE IMPACTS. Period. That is, if they make an impact at all, which many do not.

Drafting them now is an investment in three years from now. You know, when Romo, Witten, Dez, Lee, and half these starters will be gone or too old to be meaningful anymore. About the time the offense will have to be rebuilt with guys, that will also take 3-4 years to develop!

Let's look back at all the incredible defensive talent drafted in recent years.

Top 10 defensive picks in 2015
Dante Fowler, Jr.
Leonard Williams
Vic Beasley
Trae Waynes
Kevin Johnson
Arik Armstead
Marcus Peters
Bud Dupree
Shane Rae
Shaq Thompson

Can a get a huge "MEH"?

Top 10 defensive picks in 2014
Jadaveon Clowney
Kalil Mack
Justin Gilbert
Anthony Barr
Aaron Donald
Kyle Fuller
Ryan Shazier
CJ Mosely
Calvin Pryor
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Mack, Donald, and a bunch of dudes. (Jaylon Smith could be another Mack.)

Top 10 defensive picks in 2013
Dion Jordan
Ezekiel Ansah
Barkevious Mingo
Dee Milliner
DJ Hayden
Sheldon Richardson
Star Lotulelei
Kenny Vaccaro
Jarvis Jones
Eric Reid

Would you trade an immediate top 3 running back for any of these guys straight up?

The point remains, defensive players usually take years to make an impact, if they ever do at all. This team has a window of opportunity before it, and very few players can step in and make an immediate impact while the veteran stars are still here.

Win now. Always, if you can in the free-agency, injury-laden NFL.

 

[Craig]

I would like dallas to trade elliott for an immediate top 3 rb.

 

[erod]

I would like dallas to trade elliott for an immediate top 3 rb.

The pick is contingent that Elliott is. He will be. I'm 90 percent sure of it.

 

[conner01]

Defensive line guys rarely are immediate impact players. But that doesn't mean they won't be. The bust rate is high because, like qb's, teams draft them to fill a need rather than pure talent. Wasn't a fan of a RB at 4 but it was the safest pick

 

[Sydla]

This team needs defensive help! Zeke was a wasted pick! How is this team going to win if they don't address the defense! Defense, defense, defense!

OK, let's put this to bed. DEFENSIVE DRAFT PICKS TAKE A LOOOOOONG TIME TO MAKE IMPACTS. Period. That is, if they make an impact at all, which many do not.

Drafting them now is an investment in three years from now. You know, when Romo, Witten, Dez, Lee, and half these starters will be gone or too old to be meaningful anymore. About the time the offense will have to be rebuilt with guys, that will also take 3-4 years to develop!

Let's look back at all the incredible defensive talent drafted in recent years.

Top 10 defensive picks in 2015
Dante Fowler, Jr.
Leonard Williams
Vic Beasley
Trae Waynes
Kevin Johnson
Arik Armstead
Marcus Peters
Bud Dupree
Shane Rae
Shaq Thompson

Can a get a huge "MEH"?

Top 10 defensive picks in 2014
Jadaveon Clowney
Kalil Mack
Justin Gilbert
Anthony Barr
Aaron Donald
Kyle Fuller
Ryan Shazier
CJ Mosely
Calvin Pryor
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Mack, Donald, and a bunch of dudes. (Jaylon Smith could be another Mack.)

Top 10 defensive picks in 2013
Dion Jordan
Ezekiel Ansah
Barkevious Mingo
Dee Milliner
DJ Hayden
Sheldon Richardson
Star Lotulelei
Kenny Vaccaro
Jarvis Jones
Eric Reid

Would you trade an immediate top 3 running back for any of these guys straight up?

The point remains, defensive players usually take years to make an impact, if they ever do at all. This team has a window of opportunity before it, and very few players can step in and make an immediate impact while the veteran stars are still here.

Win now. Always, if you can in the free-agency, injury-laden NFL.

Your whole analysis is strange but clearly slanted to a pre-determined conclusion. Let's start with the idea that Elliott is an immediate Top 3 RB. How do you know that for sure? Why is it a given in your analysis that Elliott is AP and not the next Trent Richardson or Cedric Benson? Why is it that Ramsey, for example, couldn't be Marcus Peters, a guy who was a Pro Bowler as a rookie?

 

[btcutter]

What are you saying? Don't draft defense in the 1st round because they "may" not make immediate impact? There are quit a few star players in the list you provided. 1st round offensive players have also been busts. So your argument is flawed.

You are also making a huge assumption that EE will be a top 3 running back this year. We are hoping but you've already booked it.

 

[erod]

What are you saying? Don't draft defense in the 1st round because they "may" not make immediate impact? There are quit a few star players in the list you provided. 1st round offensive players have also been busts. So your argument is flawed.

You are also making a huge assumption that EE will be a top 3 running back this year. We are hoping but you've already booked it.

No, I'm saying that 95 percent of the time, they don't make an immediate impact. If they ever do.

This team doesn't have 3-4 years to wait. If a guy can be a major contributor immediately, then take him.

Romo, Witten, and Dez have about 3 good years left, if that.

 

[TheCount]

If you're going to make the argument that top draft picks take a long time to develop, and base it off guys that have NFL snaps, it might be best to not end your argument by ranking Elliot as a Top 3 RB based on your own 90% certainty.

 

[erod]

Your whole analysis is strange but clearly slanted to a pre-determined conclusion. Let's start with the idea that Elliott is an immediate Top 3 RB. How do you know that for sure? Why is it a given in your analysis that Elliott is AP and not the next Trent Richardson or Cedric Benson? Why is it that Ramsey, for example, couldn't be Marcus Peters, a guy who was a Pro Bowler as a rookie?

So you don't see how much more complete and polished of a back Elliott is compared to Richardson or Benson?

Peters made the pro bowl. And the impact was.......what? Minimal.

 

[erod]

If you're going to make the argument that top draft picks take a long time to develop, and base it off guys that have NFL snaps, it might be best to not end your argument by ranking Elliot as a Top 3 RB based on your own 90% certainty.

Elite running backs take no time to develop. They are ready right away.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You can't draft impact defensive players after the top 10 defensive picks of any draft?

 

[erod]

You can't draft impact defensive players after the top 10 defensive picks of any draft?

Not if you read this forum. It's impossible apparently.

 

[Sydla]

So you don't see how much more complete and polished of a back Elliott is compared to Richardson or Benson?

Peters made the pro bowl. And the impact was.......what? Minimal.

And your last sentence is why no one can take you seriously. Peters impact for the Chiefs was immense. He was a lock down corner for them. 8 interceptions and 2 defensive TDs. 2nd team All-Pro as a rookie.

You are insane.

 

[Jenky]

This team needs defensive help! Zeke was a wasted pick! How is this team going to win if they don't address the defense! Defense, defense, defense!

OK, let's put this to bed. DEFENSIVE DRAFT PICKS TAKE A LOOOOOONG TIME TO MAKE IMPACTS. Period. That is, if they make an impact at all, which many do not.

Drafting them now is an investment in three years from now. You know, when Romo, Witten, Dez, Lee, and half these starters will be gone or too old to be meaningful anymore. About the time the offense will have to be rebuilt with guys, that will also take 3-4 years to develop!

Let's look back at all the incredible defensive talent drafted in recent years.

Top 10 defensive picks in 2015
Dante Fowler, Jr.
Leonard Williams
Vic Beasley
Trae Waynes
Kevin Johnson
Arik Armstead
Marcus Peters
Bud Dupree
Shane Rae
Shaq Thompson

Can a get a huge "MEH"?

Top 10 defensive picks in 2014
Jadaveon Clowney
Kalil Mack
Justin Gilbert
Anthony Barr
Aaron Donald
Kyle Fuller
Ryan Shazier
CJ Mosely
Calvin Pryor
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Mack, Donald, and a bunch of dudes. (Jaylon Smith could be another Mack.)

Top 10 defensive picks in 2013
Dion Jordan
Ezekiel Ansah
Barkevious Mingo
Dee Milliner
DJ Hayden
Sheldon Richardson
Star Lotulelei
Kenny Vaccaro
Jarvis Jones
Eric Reid

Would you trade an immediate top 3 running back for any of these guys straight up?

The point remains, defensive players usually take years to make an impact, if they ever do at all. This team has a window of opportunity before it, and very few players can step in and make an immediate impact while the veteran stars are still here.

Win now. Always, if you can in the free-agency, injury-laden NFL.

I'm knit picking but Marcus Peters played extremely well and made an impact.

 

[HellCrowe]

I see where you are coming from. With all this talk of RB not worth a top 10 pick, Compile the top 10 CB, DT, DE taken the past 5 years. Much haven't amount to anything or took a while. The thing is, they are supposedly healthier and have longer careers, there is a stat for that too and a stat that goes against that grain. Everyone can sway the debate their way and it seems never ending.

I'm on the Zeke was worth the 4th pick regardless what all these stats say about RBs. However, we should tap the brakes until he does something. Anything can happen from now till the first game. I'm hoping his running style provides him with a lengthier carrer with more impactful years than let's say Murray or MBIII. We jut need to wait and see and I believe as soon as he breaks out, many will forget the tune of Jalen Ramsey.

 

[DCBoysfan]

Your whole analysis is strange but clearly slanted to a pre-determined conclusion. Let's start with the idea that Elliott is an immediate Top 3 RB. How do you know that for sure? Why is it a given in your analysis that Elliott is AP and not the next Trent Richardson or Cedric Benson? Why is it that Ramsey, for example, couldn't be Marcus Peters, a guy who was a Pro Bowler as a rookie?

I would call making the pro-bowl as a rookie a defensive impact. But that's just me.

 

[TheCount]

Elite running backs take no time to develop. They are ready right away.

It's exceedingly rare that even an Elite RB (which again, is proven in the NFL, not in college) is just ready to do it all at an elite level on Day 1.

The transition has always been easier for RB's, but let's not get carried away here.

All that being as it may, it still makes no sense to say defensive players take too long to become contributors so why bother.

 

[erod]

It's exceedingly rare that even an Elite RB (which again, is proven in the NFL, not in college) is just ready to do it all at an elite level on Day 1.

The transition has always been easier for RB's, but let's not get carried away here.

All that being as it may, it still makes no sense to say defensive players take too long to become contributors so why bother.

If the offensive line is in place, they are.

He's Ladanian Tomlinson. Just watch.

Defensive players take time, that's just how it is. Dallas took defense in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th rounds, so I think they're prepping for the future, don't you?

 

[erod]

I would call making the pro-bowl as a rookie a defensive impact. But that's just me.

It's a great start, but how much does a pro bowl corner change a defense? Not much. He can only cover one of the five receivers anyway, and you can completely take him out of the game by not going his way.

 

[erod]

And your last sentence is why no one can take you seriously. Peters impact for the Chiefs was immense. He was a lock down corner for them. 8 interceptions and 2 defensive TDs. 2nd team All-Pro as a rookie.

You are insane.

And the Chiefs are.........still the Chiefs.

Peters is a very nice player, and yet, he affects their record minimally at best. I'd love to have him here, but I'd like a superstar RB a million times more.

Because that is what football is.