The Roy Williams play, and other thoughts...

[J-DOG]

This team can't afford to play with a 3 man secondary just so Roy can pad his stats. If Roy can't play against the pass, just convert him to LB and get it over with.

Right now some fans want Roy to be a safety who doesn't have to cover and a linebacker who doesn't have to take on blockers. In other words, all the other 10 players on the defense have to do grunt work to make Roy look good. What exactly is he responsible for?

Grunt work..you gotta be kidding.

I think this team could use another player to make plays around the line of scrimmage or in the backfield to create sacks or turnovers.

Move guys around to fit what will help the team the most.

I don't understand why someone would not see the benefit of Roy lurking around the line of scrimmage as much as possible.

The point is we are not creative enough on defense to take advantage of Roy's talents.

Instead we are trying to use as a traditional safety when you can clearly see his is more a thumper then a cover person.

 

[Echo9]

I was pleased with Owens today - did you see his celebration after his TD?

There WASN'T one..and no sidelines "action", and no guff to Tony (that we saw) because he only had 2 receptions and fewer than 20 yards in the first half. He may even realize how much heat Terry has been taking off him all year...first half he was doubled a lot.

Owens looked today like he 'got it'.

That's REAL good news.

A couple of drops doesn't bother me...not one whit, IF he plays like the team player he played like today.

Ah LTN,

But there was a celebration. He high-fived his teammates.

...which was exactly the type of celebration I was looking for!

 

[InmanRoshi]

Grunt work..you gotta be kidding.

I think this team could use another player to make plays around the line of scrimmage or in the backfield to create sacks or turnovers.

Move guys around to fit what will help the team the most.

I don't understand why someone would not see the benefit of Roy lurking around the line of scrimmage as much as possible.

The point is we are not creative enough on defense to take advantage of Roy's talents.

Instead we are trying to use as a traditional safety when you can clearly see his is more a thumper then a cover person.

Yeah, grunt work. The CB's have to play strictly man to man because Roy can't be asked do play Cover 2 or any type of zone coverage. So, sorry Anthony Henry .. we'd like to help you against Reggie Wayne, but Roy's got to rack up his stats in the box.

Of course, while he's playing in the box the LB's have to take on all the blockers so Roy can run free ... he can't be bothered with taking on and shedding blockers.

What a great role to have in the NFL. Roy can't be blamed for anything, because he's not responsible for anything. If teams complete passes on us, it was the CB and FS's fault. If they run against us, it was the front 7's fault. And if Roy is ever shown up, its Mike Zimmer's fault. Roy's living the good life.

 

[J-DOG]

Yeah, grunt work. The CB's have to play strictly man to man because Roy can't be asked do play Cover 2 or any type of zone coverage. So, sorry Anthony Henry .. we'd like to help you against Reggie Wayne, but Roy's got to rack up his stats in the box.

Of course, while he's playing in the box the LB's have to take on all the blockers so Roy can run free ... he can't be bothered with taking on and shedding blockers.

What a great role to have in the NFL. Roy can't be blamed for anything, because he's not responsible for anything. If teams complete passes on us, it was the CB and FS's fault. If they run against us, it was the front 7's fault. And if Roy is ever shown up, its Mike Zimmer's fault. Roy's living the good life.

You need an imagination.

Put Henry at deep safety instead of Roy and take out one of the lb's in the nickel and put Roy in that spot with Jacques Reeves in at Henry's spot.

It puts better coverage at deep safety and better coverage and blitzing at one of the lb spots with Roy in there.

Not that tough at all. That coverage is in for long yardage situations anyway so putting Reeves in there is not that much of risk considering what you could use Roy as a blitzer or covering rb's in the flats. Similar to what Kenny Gant did with the Cowboys.

If you want more pressure or more turnovers I would use Roy as a weapon instead of a fail safe.

 

[InmanRoshi]

You need an imagination.

Put Henry at deep safety instead of Roy and take out one of the lb's in the nickel and put Roy in that spot with Jacques Reeves in at Henry's spot.

It puts better coverage at deep safety and better coverage and blitzing at one of the lb spots with Roy in there.

Not that tough at all. That coverage is in for long yardage situations anyway so putting Reeves in there is not that much of risk considering what you could use Roy as a blitzer or covering rb's in the flats. Similar to what Kenny Gant did with the Cowboys.

If you want more pressure or more turnovers I would use Roy as a weapon instead of a fail safe.

Sounds like it would probably work brillantly in Madden. Running a 4-4-3 base probably works in Madden as well.

In the real world, Roy has responsibilties that all safeties have. For what he gets paid, he should be able to do them without all the excuses. If not, we badly overpaid. Someone could do what he does a helluv lot cheaper.

 

[J-DOG]

If we were not trying to get by so cheaply at the FS spot maybe we would not have to use our strong safety in deep centerfield all the time.

Like Roy or not we did pay him big bucks so I think we should use him at what he does best.

I am not saying Roy needs to be a lb full time but our nickel and dime packages should be better than it is.

Keith Davis is a great sp. teams player but how many plays has he made in coverage the last couple of years?

Marcus Coleman,Pile,Lynn Scott and last but most certainly the worst...Tony Dixon. Dixon was a product of Lacewell reknowned SEC connections that landed the like of Quincy Carter too. None of those guys could cover anybody on consistent basis. Roy is the same way but at least he gets a int or a big hit once in a while.
We have been neglecting the FS position for a long, long time. Coachin up players has not worked. I would rather see a cb in deep centerfield than another cast off from another team that is on thier last legs.

 

[InmanRoshi]

You're not using your imagination when you don't see how easily a team could break down a defense that plays its strong safety in the box 100% of the time in a 4-4-3 base. All they have to do is go to a 3 WR, 1 TE base and it's curtains.


I guess we have to make Bradie James or Akin Ayodele cover Jeremy Shockey or a slot WR ... because its somehow "unfair" to ask our NFL safety to cover anybody.

 

[JBond]

Rack, you are full of CR**. You have no undertstanding of the differnce between a "tear" or a rupture. I understand you have must have examined Ellis already. Thank GOD you are not my doctor.

 

[J-DOG]

You're not using your imagination when you don't see how easily a team could break down a defense that plays its strong safety in the box 100% of the time in a 4-4-3 base. All they have to do is go to a 3 WR, 1 TE base and it's curtains.


I guess we have to make Bradie James or Akin Ayodele cover Jeremy Shockey or a slot WR ... because its somehow "unfair" to ask our NFL safety to cover anybody.

I never said use Roy as a lb in the base defense...just in the nickel or dime packages. Just mix it up and turn him loose some. Right now he is babysitting the FS spot by staying back in deep coverage all the time.

 

[ddh33]

I swear, I see Roy get bashed for being nothing but a "stat" guy. Then, I see him get bashed for not being a stat guy.

Just as it has been all season long, Roy isn't a problem. He didn't have big stats today because he was in coverage and doing his job. Anyone who wants to see Roy as a LB is severely misunderstanding how good Roy is at what he does. He might be the best strong safety in football, and his poor coverage myth is just that - "myth".

Coverage is why he played corner in college. It's also a part of the reason why Bill keeps him deep. It's why Jerry spent money to keep him around. I wish people could just find another lightning rod.

 

[Rack]

Have you ever seen the skit titled "Debby Downer" on Saturday Night Live?

yea thats you.............

Not trying to be a downer. Just being realistic. It's not like we played the '85 bears today. We beat a 1 win team... it doesn't mean we all of the sudden have no weaknesses.

If realism is not your thing I suggest you put me on ignore.

There's a huge myth flying around the Roy can't cover... what people need to understand that thus far this season, big name FREE SAFETIES are WORSE in coverage than Roy is... guys like Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.

This myth was generated in the offseason people don't even care to compare him to other safeties around the league. That's not the strongest part of his game.. but its not even close to being a LIABILITY to our defense like some fans and THE MEDIA like to say.

Roy covers just as well as almost any other SS in the NFL. Period.

Rack, you are full of CR**. You have no undertstanding of the differnce between a "tear" or a rupture. I understand you have must have examined Ellis already. Thank GOD you are not my doctor.

Where the hell did this come from?

Rupture... tear... what's the freakin' difference? Either way he's out for the year and his career is in serious jeapordy.


I swear, some of you ... I REALLY hope you don't ever have kids. Let's just stop that bloodline right now. No need to stupify this country any more then it already is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where the hell did this come from?

Rupture... tear... what's the freakin' difference? Either way he's out for the year and his career is in serious jeapordy.


I swear, some of you ... I REALLY hope you don't ever have kids. Let's just stop that bloodline right now. No need to stupify this country any more then it already is.

The difference is that you have no idea what you are talking about. Apparently they are two different injuries.

And thanks for that last part, i mean really why make veiled insults when you can just call people stupid and that any kids they have will be stupid too. Just great.

 

[Rack]

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[chinch]

That play where Roy gave up the TD run to Leinart is EXACTLY why we need to GROZ. He's got the players more worried about technique and NOT giving up plays that they don't MAKE plays themselves.

The rookie Roy wouldn't of hesitated like today's Roy did. The rookie Roy would of come up and knocked Leinart's block off.

Lame. get a grip if you think zimmer has anything to do with Roy's ineptitude. zimmer made him drop a few easy INTs this year too right? Roy gots full solo credit for getting FAKED out of his jock.

Anyone else getting tired of TO dropping passes? A long TD doesn't erase all the drops.

sure it does, considering TO always drops alot of passes... what he brings is the big play in which that was. Also note his BURST into the endzone, he wasn't going to be tackled there. Alot of WRs would have failed to get 6 there.

JuJo seems to be running tentatively again. Earlier in the year he was patient in waiting for the hole to open up, but when it was there he would explode through it. He's not exploding anymore. He left yards on the field today.

Good imagination again.

Witten is great at getting open, but he couldn't make a light pole miss in the open field.

ugh... i guess you want a guy like Reggie Bush as our next TE.

 

[Rack]

Lame. get a grip if you think zimmer has anything to do with Roy's ineptitude. zimmer made him drop a few easy INTs this year too right? Roy gots full solo credit for getting FAKED out of his jock.

A "few" ints? He's dropped 2 that I can think of.


But no other DB in the NFL drops passes, right?


Talk about lame...

sure it does, considering TO always drops alot of passes... what he brings is the big play in which that was. Also note his BURST into the endzone, he wasn't going to be tackled there. Alot of WRs would have failed to get 6 there.

I know the good things he does and brings to the team. I just wish he'd cut down on the negatives he brings (and I'm only talking about on the field negatives).

He's always dropped a lot of passes ( I mentioned that long before we ever signed him ), but it's been worse then "normal" this year.

Good imagination again.

Look, if you aren't gonna actually reply with anything resembling a "Debate" then don't bother replying at all.

Don't like my opinion? Put me on ignore. Simple as that, Chico.

ugh... i guess you want a guy like Reggie Bush as our next TE.

Wth is your problem? Is it not ok to point out negatives with our team after a win? IS there some kind of rule I missed or something?


Again, don't like my opinions, use the ignore feature. Or at least try to be a bit more mature with your replies.

"Lame" and "Nice imagination" are nothing but childish replies aimed at trying to start a flame war.

You think JuJo is running just like he did the first 1/4 of the season? Explain why you think I'm wrong instead of replying with crap like "Nice imagination".

If all your intent is is to ridicule and start flame wars then you're no better then those troll skins/eagles fans that come here and start their crap.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

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Whats sad is the guy doesnt get the fact that Im not interested in aggravating him but rather that I think its important that OTHERS know exactly what Rack is made of.

 

[Rack]

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[Billy Bullocks]

Witten needs to drop the shoulder or throw a stiff arm. I hate when he starts to twinkle toe around.

 

[Rack]

Witten needs to drop the shoulder or throw a stiff arm. I hate when he starts to twinkle toe around.

Be careful, criticizing a cowboy after a win means you could possibly be the son of satan.


Seriously though, I'd like to see a little more "john mackey" out of him and a little less "antonio gates".


He just doesn't have that type of ability (making people miss). He needs to punish DBs instead of trying to juke them. A juke every once in a while to keep them honest is ok, but he tries it a bit too often.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

He does run like a little girl at times, especially considering he outweighs most of the DB's by AT LEAST 25lbs.