The Schoonmaker play at the 1

[Zman5]

Thanks for that, but if you bothered to actual
read my post throughly, I don’t need two snapshots that don’t in anyway show a tackle, as I provided the ACTUAL VIDEO and the time stamp or this actual angle, which starts at 10:57 to be exact.



What you are showing is two pictures of a defender playing the ball with Schoon having one foot OFF the ground, from a camera shot that is LOWER than the players, meaning both players look higher from the ground than they actually are…. And none of it proves anything other than the LB was playing the ball. If you knew the rules, the defender can place his hands on the hip as long as he doesn’t turn the offensive player, while he’s playing the ball, which is exactly what is being shown in these snap shots, meaning none of it claims what you claim.

Which brings us to the tackle, which (see above) and the actual video.

And of course you ignored the other point, which is the refs originally ruled it a TD.. so much for bias.. The overturn happened on the play review that showed his knee down before the ball could cross the plane.

As I said, get some glasses and stop making stuff up. No one's buying your BS.

 

[bottleKids]

One of our linemen had Cox by the inside front of his shoulder pads on that play. Should have been offsetting penalties. Maybe MM just take the three points there. If he did, instead of ******** the bed at the end of the game, we kick the FG and win by a point.

I saw that - was a clear hold missed, so it goes both ways.

 

[bottleKids]

If hes in the endzone it doesnt matter. Dumb route

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to get ... the route needs to be in the endzone.

 

[McKDaddy]

Regardless of the DPI.

The route was bad because Schoon went straight to the sideline. You have to angle up the field so that you can use leverage to shield the defender. The route being that flat a) makes it a harder throw b) doesn't get into the endzone at the catch and c) puts the defender in a better position.

Not sure I agree on that. Route is run this way often all across the league. Will be interesting if the team makes any comment about the play. I doubt the team is going to say it was to be ran deeper.

Dak was getting hit as he threw it, so my point was even if route ran differently I'm not sure ball isn't thrown to same spot just because of how he is turning his shoulders almost parallel to sideline in effort to get ball off. Don't think he could get the ball much deeper given the angles.

 

[MarcusRock]

Thanks for that, but if you bothered to actual
read my post throughly, I don’t need two snapshots that don’t in anyway show a tackle, as I provided the ACTUAL VIDEO and the time stamp or this actual angle, which starts at 10:57 to be exact.



What you are showing is two pictures of a defender playing the ball with Schoon having one foot OFF the ground, from a camera shot that is LOWER than the players, meaning both players look higher from the ground than they actually are…. And none of it proves anything other than the LB was playing the ball. If you knew the rules, the defender can place his hands on the hip as long as he doesn’t turn the offensive player, while he’s playing the ball, which is exactly what is being shown in these snap shots, meaning none of it claims what you claim.

Which brings us to the tackle, which (see above) and the actual video.

And of course you ignored the other point, which is the refs originally ruled it a TD.. so much for bias.. The overturn happened on the play review that showed his knee down before the ball could cross the plane.

Wow, nicely done. I'm not in a place where I can pull video or break out the rulebook but when someone posted that tweet of the video, I saw what you saw and know the rule that you can touch a receiver but can't turn him or "materially restrict" him to the point it affects his ability to make a catch. That did not appear to happen here.

 

[khiladi]

As I said, get some glasses and stop making stuff up. No one's buying your BS.

Notice the difference between my post and yours..

I show the actual video, explain the rules and point out the refs originally ruled out a TD….

You on the other say “get glasses”..

Notice how not even one of the Cowboys players jumped up and said it was PI either..

 

[khiladi]

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to get ... the route needs to be in the endzone.

Dallas runs so many flavors of this, including in the same game.. anybody thinking Dak is doing anything but going to his first progression on the play and the TE running his route before the end-zone marker is wrong is just shooting from the hip.

 

[khiladi]

The only reason the Eagles defense is not getting blown out is because of their run defense is elite. They are a bottom 7 pass defense and just read they are on their 10th different passing combination.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to get ... the route needs to be in the endzone.

100%
I have been saying this all along. no different than getting past the first down marker. you have to get passed the market. that was a rookie mistake.

 

[RonnieT24]

You guys are watching it in SLO-motion so everything is exaggerated. I thought it was a normal pass play.

I think the more egregious bad call was the illegal contact flag on that non-catchable ball that went out of bounds (I forgot who the Cowboys defender it was).

It was Gilmore and it was a horrible call for two reasons.. One the ball was out of bounds and two Gilmore had upfield position and thus every right to slow down to keep Brown from running to the ball. The ignored hold on Micah and the blow to Dak's head were also huge non-calls as well. There is no defending the refs in this game. I honestly think some of the later make up calls were mostly cosmetic trying to even up the aggregate numbers but they never had any intention of letting the Cowboys win this game.

 

[blueblood70]

But it was not balanced. Their incompetence cost Dallas at least one touchdown and who knows how many other opportunities to score.

Just talking total calls 11-10 but correct... But I agree the more impactful no calls and calls came against us but we still have that opportunity in the last drive and shot ourselves in the foot with the pre snap type issues I mean literally just went backwards after they gave us problems and you know I don't know if I could blame them for it but our offensive line needs to get a grip somebody needs to get in that room I don't know who but they need to get those dudes playing together because Terrence Steeles not back to himself but he's not the only one I mean they're beating us on all levels of the line... Then you add in no run game I mean kinda hard to play these good teams one-dimensional....

 

[darealvelle]

Cooks wide open for a TD that play.

 

[Zman5]

Notice the difference between my post and yours..

I show the actual video, explain the rules and point out the refs originally ruled out a TD….

You on the other say “get glasses”..

Notice how not even one of the Cowboys players jumped up and said it was PI either..

Yes I notice you deny and not see things that even Stevie Wonder can see.

 

[G2]

Thanks for that, but if you bothered to actual
read my post throughly, I don’t need two snapshots that don’t in anyway show a tackle, as I provided the ACTUAL VIDEO and the time stamp or this actual angle, which starts at 10:57 to be exact.



What you are showing is two pictures of a defender playing the ball with Schoon having one foot OFF the ground, from a camera shot that is LOWER than the players, meaning both players look higher from the ground than they actually are…. And none of it proves anything other than the LB was playing the ball. If you knew the rules, the defender can place his hands on the hip as long as he doesn’t turn the offensive player, while he’s playing the ball, which is exactly what is being shown in these snap shots, meaning none of it claims what you claim.

Which brings us to the tackle, which (see above) and the actual video.

And of course you ignored the other point, which is the refs originally ruled it a TD.. so much for bias.. The overturn happened on the play review that showed his knee down before the ball could cross the plane.

Yeah, the defender was playing Schoons balls.

 

[glimmerman]

The timing of the calls put us at a disadvantage though.

That’s one thing I notice is the timing of the flags. Always extends a drive for opponent or kills our drives. The holding call on TE was ticky tacky. I thought they were allowed to grab inside the shoulders but not outside. To me a hold is a hold but there are rules to it. And then at the end egirls defender was hitting TE before the ball got there. Seemed like a easy call but flag never thrown.

 

[glimmerman]

Just talking total calls 11-10 but correct... But I agree the more impactful no calls and calls came against us but we still have that opportunity in the last drive and shot ourselves in the foot with the pre snap type issues I mean literally just went backwards after they gave us problems and you know I don't know if I could blame them for it but our offensive line needs to get a grip somebody needs to get in that room I don't know who but they need to get those dudes playing together because Terrence Steeles not back to himself but he's not the only one I mean they're beating us on all levels of the line... Then you add in no run game I mean kinda hard to play these good teams one-dimensional....

Yep. The non calls that were easy calls made a big difference. Our O-Line had got to get better. The penalties they are making is killing drives. We had a good drive going and was shocking we were actually picking up good yards (I think it was Dowdle that was running) and gets called back for an obvious hold. But at the end the killer was the non call on the catch at the one. That defender got there early and had started tackling him before the ball got there. They miss that but sure caught ours. I think in this game penalties cost us. Dak played really well but was running for his life. Not blaming the refs. It’s mostly self inflicted. O-Line has to get it together. Did we draft a guy that can play RT.. Steele is clearly not healthy.

 

[_sturt_]

This is before ball even shows up in the frame. Get some glasses if you think he isn't being tackled before the ball got there.

Those are the better angles, but this one affirms that the defender had his helmet buried in Schoon's back.

 

[RonnieT24]

Those are the better angles, but this one affirms that the defender had his helmet buried in Schoon's back.

Give it up, the rule book clearly states that anytime a Dallas Cowboys receiver is within 5 yards of the end zone or in the end zone it is legal for the defender to mug him. Have people forgotten the two point conversion against the Jets in 2019 where the defender literally shoved Witten out the back of the end zone prior to the ball being thrown and there was no flag? The picked up PI on Gallup a couple of weeks ago is yet another example. It keeps happening and it's going to keep happening .. so it clearly must be in the rule book.

 

[unionjack8]

Ferg messed up the rub route. it allowed the defender to tackel schoon before the ball arrived. But if Ferg runs the play correctly Schoon ends up wide open and walks in for the TD.

Yep. Lack of attention to the detail. Low iq players and poor coaching is an awful combination

 

[aikemirv]

if he had dropped the ball as he hit the ground it would not have been a catch. Similarly, I don’t thing his knee drag should be counted until it is deemed a catch. No sour grapes here. We lost when we had the opportunity to win. I just don’t like the rule.

Yep if you have to survive the ground then where is the ball spotted? It is not a catch until you survive the ground!