The seven myths as to why Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl

[gtb1943]

In 1966, Jim Taylor rushed for 705 yards and averaged 3.5 yards per carry. Elijah Pitts rushed for 393 yards and averaged 3.4 yards per carry. Paul Hornung rushed for 200 yards and averaged 2.6 yards per carry. You impressed by that???? Not even a rusher with 750 yards and no one close to 4 yards per carry.

Marino had much better than that MANY years at Miami. THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT and blowing the myth that you need a great running attack or great running back to win a Super Bowl. THANK YOU!

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/1966.htm#all_team_stats

this post just showed how little you know about football history.
Comparing mid 80's to mid 60's football
by the way, Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung were way past their primes by that time
and guess what, that was 14 game schedule which I am sure you did not know

 

[gtb1943]

I pointed out there was only one game Marino had good stats in a post-season loss. Oh yes, you can have good stats and lose. All the other games he was putrid.

your posts are putrid

 

[tunahelper]

Marino had one thousand yard rusher his entire career, and two midgets at WR. And no D.

How do people come up w/ the crapp?

Put a young Marino on the 90's SB teams and it would be all time glory. I am an Aikman fan but please Marino was Michael Jordan of QB's. I mean the guy talks stats and he put 5000 and 48tds in the 80's!!!!!

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

Put a young Marino on the 90's SB teams and it would be all time glory. I am an Aikman fan but please Marino was Michael Jordan of QB's. I mean the guy talks stats and he put 5000 and 48tds in the 80's!!!!!

I've heard it said stats are for losers. Stats are nice. Wins are the best ones. Big game wins even better.

 

[gtb1943]

I've heard it said stats are for losers. Stats are nice. Wins are the best ones. Big game wins even better.

and you are the one glorifying stats over everything else; proving that stats truly are for those without knowledge of the game

 

[Flamma]

I've heard it said stats are for losers. Stats are nice. Wins are the best ones. Big game wins even better.

You're acting as if QBs are like pitchers in MLB. They're not. A QBs success is largely determined by his supporting cast. Marino excelled despite not being on a legit contender. Marino's teams past 1984 just weren't that good. Look at Montana's stats in the 1986 playoff game against the Giants. They were terrible. Was it because Montana laid an egg? Or the Giants, as a team, were that much better.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

You're acting as if QBs are like pitchers in MLB. They're not. A QBs success is largely determined by his supporting cast. Marino excelled despite not being on a legit contender. Marino's teams past 1984 just weren't that good. Look at Montana's stats in the 1986 playoff game against the Giants. They were terrible. Was it because Montana laid an egg? Or the Giants, as a team, were that much better.

No quarterback can succeed without help this is true, but he can certainly lose a game all by himself. Making poor decisions, throwing into double coverage, throwing interceptions, throwing pick sixes, etc.

 

[gtb1943]

No quarterback can succeed without help this is true, but he can certainly lose a game all by himself. Making poor decisions, throwing into double coverage, throwing interceptions, throwing pick sixes, etc.

you really need to talk to someone about your obsession

 

[kskboys]

Put a young Marino on the 90's SB teams and it would be all time glory. I am an Aikman fan but please Marino was Michael Jordan of QB's. I mean the guy talks stats and he put 5000 and 48tds in the 80's!!!!

Marino might be the best of all time.

 

[Flamma]

No quarterback can succeed without help this is true, but he can certainly lose a game all by himself. Making poor decisions, throwing into double coverage, throwing interceptions, throwing pick sixes, etc.

How many of these playoff losses was Miami favored to win, but instead brought down by Marino's terrible play? The bad loss was in 1985. The Patriots weren't even the best team. They should have been beaten by the Raiders. But besides that game, who were they expected to beat? And where were they going anyway?

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

How many of these playoff losses was Miami favored to win, but instead brought down by Marino's terrible play? The bad loss was in 1985. The Patriots weren't even the best team. They should have been beaten by the Raiders. But besides that game, who were they expected to beat? And where were they going anyway?

There were playoff games he had the better defense. Ever think of that????

In 1983 at home against Seattle, Miami lost 27-20. Marino threw two interceptions in 25 passes and had a passer rating of 77.6 wasting Miami’s number one ranked defense in the NFL. Seattle’s defense was ranked 24th out of 28 in the NFL in points given up.

In 1990, in a playoff game at Buffalo, Marino would again throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of 72.1. The Dolphins that year had the fourth best scoring defense in the NFL. The Bills had the sixth best scoring defense in the NFL.

The 1995 season ended with a playoff loss at Buffalo where Marino would throw three interceptions and had a passer rating of just 63.4. Miami had the 10th best scoring defense in the NFL.

So much for the myth Marino didn’t have a better defense than Miami’s playoff opponent.

With one exception, Marino would throw at least two interceptions in every one of Miami’s season-ending playoff games throughout his entire career. It’s hard to win when your quarterback throws two interceptions in any game, especially a more pressure-packed post-season one.

Here's proof he wasn't even getting sacked and he was a turnover machine:
Despite his lack of mobility, from 1988-1989, Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins put together one of the most remarkable streaks in NFL history. The Dolphins went 759 consecutive pass attempts without allowing a sack. It’s a record that will likely never be broken.

Yet despite that great pass protection, Marino threw a career-high 23 interceptions in 1988 and in 1989, he led the NFL in interceptions thrown with 22.

I'm done with you dude. It's like Mark Twain said, "No amount of evidence will ever convince an idiot."

Still waiting on why he didn't win at Pitt.

 

[Flamma]

1983 was his rookie season. You think they should have gone to the SB if not for Marino? Go ahead, make a list of all of the rookie quarterbacks that made it to the SB.

Jim Kelly threw interceptions in 1990 and 1995 too. The problem here is, you're trying to make a case as to why a QB never won a super bowl, but he wasn't on many teams that could get to the SB. Buffalo was way better than the Dolphins in 1990. Miami was like the 3rd best team in the AFC. In 1995, that 9-7 team wasn't going to the super bowl no matter who was under center. Had the Dolphins squeaked out a win against the Seahawks in '83, they're not beating the Raiders. I could see if all of these examples were like 1985, when they got a gift team in the championship game and still blew it. But none of the other examples are.

There is some luck involved to get to a SB, let alone winning one. Rarely do teams make it without the talent necessary.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

1983 was his rookie season. You think they should have gone to the SB if not for Marino? Go ahead, make a list of all of the rookie quarterbacks that made it to the SB.

Jim Kelly threw interceptions in 1990 and 1995 too. The problem here is, you're trying to make a case as to why a QB never won a super bowl, but he wasn't on many teams that could get to the SB. Buffalo was way better than the Dolphins in 1990. Miami was like the 3rd best team in the AFC. In 1995, that 9-7 team wasn't going to the super bowl no matter who was under center. Had the Dolphins squeaked out a win against the Seahawks in '83, they're not beating the Raiders. I could see if all of these examples were like 1985, when they got a gift team in the championship game and still blew it. But none of the other examples are.

There is some luck involved to get to a SB, let alone winning one. Rarely do teams make it without the talent necessary.

Or when their QB throws two interceptions in a big game in the post-season. #Minor detail

 

[gtb1943]

looking at the OP and how few posts he has and now he has like half of all his posts in this thread.
seriously, obsession is not strong enough to call what this is.

 

[Flamma]

Or when their QB throws two interceptions in a big game in the post-season. #Minor detail

Yeah he threw two picks, and Kelly threw 1 in that playoff game. When Marino threw 3, Kelly threw 2. So what? Didn't Tom Brady throw 3 picks in a playoff game that he won against the Packers? Got away with it. Good QBs throw picks. We all know a QB, one that I can't stand, that has the interception record that will never be broken. Yet he is in the HOF.

All QBs are not gifted with similar or equal situations when they are drafted. Montana had stacked teams on top of stacked teams for most of his career, Marino had 1. I'll give you him choking in '85. But the rest of the years simply didn't have super bowl expectations. How did Montana do when he was underdog? Played like crap. Even lost as a favorite in 1990. I'm not going to blame him for throwing a pick 6 and losing to the Giants in 1986 when he never stood a chance.

 

[khiladi]

The Miami Dolphins had weaknesses that proved fatal in the playoffs.

History is replete with examples: all the Minnesota Viking losses in the late sixties into the seventies. The 90's Buffalo Bills are not really on that list since a missed very makeable FG is what meant 0-4 but three of those losses were not close. Before the Combination of Elway and Terrel Davis, the Bronco's lost SB after SB.
Whoever wrote this article was a typical stats fanatic who think stats are all that matter.

and to top it off the Dallas Cowboys have had teams that failed in the playoffs again and again.

The article writer thinks its all about the QB and that is about as dumb as it gets

AFC used to get spanked by the NFC, which fielded monster defenses, with top-ranked running games. The AFC teams like the Bills, Broncos and Oilers with their run and shoot and K-Gun offenses, with their amazing QBs would put up relatively big numbers in the regular season, but when it came to play-off football in harsh, open-air stadiums on grass, they would get blasted. The difference is, the NFC also had great QBs.

 

[khiladi]

You didn't answer my question.

Did he play well in any of those Super Bowls?

Marino did not play well in big games. Stats don’t lie. Let’s look at Marino’s play in his post-season losses:

In 1983 at home against Seattle, Miami lost 27-20. Marino threw two interceptions in 25 passes and had a passer rating of 77.6 wasting Miami’s number one ranked defense in the NFL. Seattle’s defense was ranked 24th out of 28 in the NFL in points given up.

In 1984 in Super Bowl XIX against San Francisco, despite having the highest scoring team in the NFL and a top-10 defense, Marino would lead Miami to only one touchdown and generate only 16 points. Marino would throw two interceptions that day and had a passer rating of 66.9.

As point of reference as to how badly Marino played on the brightest stage, Trent Dilfer in Super Bowl XXXV, had a passer rating of 80.9 for the Baltimore Ravens against the New York Giants. Dilfer’s career regular season passer rating is 70.2. Dilfer raised his game in the Super Bowl. Marino’s career regular season passer rating is 86.4. His Super Bowl passer rating: 66.9.

In 1985 in the AFC Championship Game at home in Miami, Marino would complete only 20-of-48 passes and throw two interceptions as the Dolphins could only score 14 points against the New England Patriots. Marino’s passer rating that day was 54.9. In comparison, the great Tony Eason was unfazed by big game jitters and outplayed Marino badly, throwing three touchdowns, no interceptions and had a passer rating of 130.9.

The Dolphins wouldn’t make the playoffs during the 1986-1989 seasons. In 1990, in a playoff game at Buffalo, Marino would again throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of 72.1. The Dolphins that year had the fourth best scoring defense in the NFL. The Bills had the sixth best scoring defense in the NFL.

The Dolphins would not make the post-season in 1991. In 1992 at home against the Bills in the playoffs, Marino would throw, you guessed it, two interceptions and had a passer rating of 56.5. Miami would not make the playoffs in 1993.

The 1994 season ended in a playoff game at San Diego, Marino played well in the only time his Dolphins team lost in the post-season. Marino was 24-of-38 for 262 yards with three touchdown passes and no interceptions and had a passer rating of 109.8.

With that sole exception, Marino would throw at least two interceptions in every one of Miami’s season-ending playoff games throughout his entire career. It’s hard to win when your quarterback throws two interceptions in any game, especially a more pressure-packed post-season one. Let’s continue.

The 1995 season ended with a playoff loss at Buffalo where Marino would throw three interceptions and had a passer rating of just 63.4. Miami had the 10th best scoring defense in the NFL. Buffalo had the 12th best scoring defense in the NFL. So much for the myth Marino didn’t have a better defense than Miami’s playoff opponent.

Miami did not make the playoffs in 1996. The 1997 season ended with Miami a playoff loss at New England. Marino could only lead Miami to three points in the loss as he was 17-of-43 passing for just 141 yards and two interceptions. His passer rating that day was a putrid 29.3.

The 1998 season ended with a loss at Denver where Marino would again only lead the Dolphins to just three points losing 38-3. Marino would throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of just 65.5 wasting his team’s number one scoring defense in the NFL in 1998.

In Marino’s final season of 1999, the Dolphins would lose to Jacksonville 62-7 as Marino was just 11-of-25 passing for only 95 yards throwing two interceptions. Marino’s passer rating was a putrid 34.6 that day. Here is a chart comparing career regular season quarterback rating to their career post-season quarterback rating. As you can see, Marino’s QBR decreased significantly in the post-season.

Bro, the Ravens fielded arguably the greatest defense of all time and generated 5 TOs in that Super Bowl. Kerry Collins threw 4 INTs and the only points they scored was a kick-off return. Do you know how easy it would for a QB like Marino to play for a team like that?

Buffalo in 1995 against the Dolphins rushed for over 341 yards and 3 TDs. It was 17-0 before Marion threw his first INT, where they called 3 pass plays. Then the Dolphins defense gave up a plus 30 yard TD, making it 24-0.