The throw I envied the most yesterday

[Jarv]

If Dak continues to get hit at an alarming rate, the smart pick would be Kyler Murray. He at least will have a chance to run away. Dak is athletic but nowhere near fast enough to negate the nonexistent blocking and lack of separation from all routes being ran.

That same terrible line that has Zeke up in the top 3 in rushing yards and per attempt average?

 

[Parcells4Life]

That was a spectacular throw, and not making it does not mean a QB isn't NFL caliber. Russell Wilson probably wouldn't make that throw consistently - it was just a perfect storm in that instance.

But the willingness to make the throw is what I loved more than the throw itself. It wasn’t careless. It was aggressive. Chidos back was to the ball so low chance of being picked.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

In my opinion, next year's QB class is weak. If we wanted to select a QB, it should've been done in April, when the draft was loaded or even in 2017. Ryan Finley and Drew Lock are solid QB's, but I'm not completely sold on them. The kid from WVU is an intriguing talent as well.

In hindsight, I would've loved to have traded up like KC did and draft Mahomes. Texas born and bred, and a hell of an arm.

I don't think it's weak. Any of the top few guys could end up being stars. Mahomes was far from a sure thing coming out of college.

 

[Ken]

Here we go again.

Dak has more time to throw than 30 other NFL QBs.

Average time to throw

That doesn't mean he has all day to throw...it just means that other offenses make their qb get rid of the ball quicker through design.

I can tell you, looking at the first game...he was getting sacked and guys were still getting into their routes. This time to throw stat is very flawed.

 

[losersgetcute]

That same terrible line that has Zeke up in the top 3 in rushing yards and per attempt average?

In Madden they should all be rated 90+at run blocking and 50-70 at pass blocking because they illustrate a huge difference between the two in real life.

 

[losersgetcute]

I don't think it's weak. Any of the top few guys could end up being stars. Mahomes was far from a sure thing coming out of college.

Mahomes is still the guy that was good enough to keep Kliff Kingsbury from getting fired for not offering a scholarship to Baker Mayfield. Any mortal QB would have got ol' Kliff canned. Maybe jerrah can bring in that genius to replace the king of clap.

 

[losersgetcute]

We don’t know on TV copy receivers aren’t open. Dak wouldn’t have considered Marshall open on the throw stated in the OP but good throws make receivers open

Or they get jumped by better players than our TEs.

 

[Sepia]

Here we go again.

Dak has more time to throw than 30 other NFL QBs.

Average time to throw

How is this stat configured? Even Aikman commented several times that Dak wasn’t getting much time to throw on certain throws. Does it include time spent scrambling? Some are on Dak, but I see plenty of throws where a defender is in his face immediately.

 

[Captain-Crash]

our guys best option is to run, since he can't throw it. "fans begging for dak to run " lmao..

 

[CATCH17]

He’s not..

He’s above average but he’s enjoyed a career of need about 18 points a game to win 90% of his games.

He’s solid.

When he gets called top 5 that is when I say overrated.

 

[nightrain]

Cowboys are screwed at the QB position for the foreseeable future. What they absolutely can't do is extend Dak for anything more than back up money.

 

[losersgetcute]

How is this stat configured? Even Aikman commented several times that Dak wasn’t getting much time to throw on certain throws. Does it include time spent scrambling? Some are on Dak, but I see plenty of throws where a defender is in his face immediately.

Anytime the QB pressure stat they sometimes show during the game hits double digits its a sign for all you blind fans that Dak is running for his life...many QBs would have thrown 5 ints yesterday. Dak is going to continue to struggle until they establish a pocket in a traditional sense. The RPO is a good threat to have but if every time you empty the backfield guys pin their ears back, it is time to take shots deliberately. Which requires more than a strong arm, it requires reliable blitz pickup.

 

[Mountaineerfan]

In my opinion, next year's QB class is weak. If we wanted to select a QB, it should've been done in April, when the draft was loaded or even in 2017. Ryan Finley and Drew Lock are solid QB's, but I'm not completely sold on them. The kid from WVU is an intriguing talent as well.

In hindsight, I would've loved to have traded up like KC did and draft Mahomes. Texas born and bred, and a hell of an arm.

Will Grier is one of the best in the class I'm sure he will fall be hind other's because of his system and school. Probably could be had in the 10-20 range if he holds up.

 

[Trouty]

He’s not..

He’s above average but he’s enjoyed a career of need about 18 points a game to win 90% of his games.

He’s solid.

When he gets called top 5 that is when I say overrated.

He does it all. Throws on the move, pocket, scrambles for first downs without getting touched, is accurate on deep throws and intermediate, alike, is playing with trash on his offense, and is right around #5-7.

You said he isn't "even that good." So are we playing the semantics game, now? Right after you just said he's above average.

Who are your top 5-7? Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, then who and who and who?

 

[losersgetcute]

Cowboys are screwed at the QB position for the foreseeable future. What they absolutely can't do is extend Dak for anything more than back up money.

They already have been going el cheapo on skill position guys for years to pay for this "greatest offensive line of all time"...now its looking like they are getting what they paid for. "Gotta save money for the next position group we won't pay guys". Its a process.

 

[CATCH17]

He does it all. Throws on the move, pocket, scrambles for first downs without getting touched, is accurate on deep throws and intermediate, alike, is playing with trash on his offense, and is right around #5-7.

You said he isn't "even that good." So are we playing the semantics game, now? Right after you just said he's above average.

Who are your top 5-7? Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, then who and who and who?

I'm just saying Wilson has never been a guy to go out and win games on his own much.

He's never been a part of a prolific offense and he doesn't take an offense to new heights.

He's just a solid NFL QB. Very efficient.

 

[Trouty]

I'm just saying Wilson has never been a guy to go out and win games on his own much.

He's never been a part of a prolific offense and he doesn't take an offense to new heights.

He's just a solid NFL QB. Very efficient.

From 2015, onwards, he has absolutely won games with his arm. He had 4 seasons of 10 int's or less, and two other of 11. He was an MVP candidate in 2015. He creates plays with his arm and legs.

He isn't part of a prolific offense, because he's generally the only good player on his offense. Graham was a bust, trade didn't work out for them. He was a dud in their scheme, at the cost of their nearly elite C. His receivers are hit and miss, minus a Baldwin year or two. He is that offense, after they dismantled the line (all-pro C/and the Lynch release/temporary retirement).

I guess we don't agree. Like I said yesterday in a similar discussion with a different poster, the word "over rated QB" is one of the most used catch phrases on this site. It doesn't belong in the same sentence as Wilson. Hell, he's underrated. Vastly.

Who are your top 7 QBs?

 

[CATCH17]

From 2015, onwards, he has absolutely won games with his arm. He had 4 seasons of 10 int's or less, and two other of 11. He was an MVP candidate in 2015. He creates plays with his arm and legs.

He isn't part of a prolific offense, because he's generally the only good player on his offense. Graham was a bust, trade didn't work out for them. He was a dud, at the cost of their nearly elite C. His receivers are hit and miss, minus a Baldwin year or two. He is that offense, after they dismantled the line (all-pro C/ and the Lynch release/temporary retirement).

That's a popular opinion Trouty so a lot of people feel the way you do.

I just see him as a high level bus driver.

I didn't see Jameis Winston as anything special either at a time where that wasn't a popular opinion.

Wilson's a good efficient football player that has played on teams where he can score about 20 points and win 10 games doing it.

So since he has been on teams with elite defenses and elite run games we say he is elite as well.

No he's on a team where he has to pick up the slack and so far he is 1-2. He's more bus driver then Jet Plane pilot IMO.

 

[Trouty]

That's a popular opinion Trouty so a lot of people feel the way you do.

I just see him as a high level bus driver.

I didn't see Jameis Winston as anything special either at a time where that wasn't a popular opinion.

Wilson's a good efficient football player that has played on teams where he can score about 20 points and win 10 games doing it.

So since he has been on teams with elite defenses and elite run games we say he is elite as well.

No he's on a team where he has to pick up the slack and so far he is 1-2. He's more bus driver then Race car driver IMO.

You're kidding me. My opinion of Wilson is popular? On this site. LOL

Ok, C17...

I wholeheartedly disagree with every last word you have uttered in this thread, with respect. I ask again, who are your top 7 QBs?

"Bus driver" lmao

Dude is carrying the SEA O on his shoulders. And has been for at least two years, maybe three.

 

[CATCH17]

You're kidding me. My opinion of Wilson is popular? On this site. LOL

Ok, C17...

I wholeheartedly disagree with every last word you have uttered in this thread, with respect. I ask again, who are your top 7 QBs?

Ummm... Tough question off the top of my head.

So many of the top QB's are old. You're right about Russell being being in that 7ish range.

I think he's right there with guys like Big Ben, and Matt Ryan.

I just come away from watching Seattle when they were good and thinking he was like a good point guard that can't shoot. He facilitates well but isn't getting on the score sheet.

Now that his contract has decimated their cap space and the roster is average that team is average and he won't overcome it.