The Upgrade Everyone Was Ranting About

kevm3

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It was absolutely the correct move to bench Weeden. We can post these awesome stats, but most of that came before he was 'figured out'. Take away Witten and shut down the run game and the whole offense collapsed. We didn't know what we had or didn't have in Cassell at the time. We did know what we had in Weeden.
 

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Weren't they magicians last year?

The players tore it up despite the coaching IMO. The run game was so outstanding that it ate up clock which helped out defense rest and allowed Romo to throw the ball easier etc.
 

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It was absolutely the correct move to bench Weeden. We can post these awesome stats, but most of that came before he was 'figured out'. Take away Witten and shut down the run game and the whole offense collapsed. We didn't know what we had or didn't have in Cassell at the time. We did know what we had in Weeden.

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Offensive Touchdowns Scored
Games 3-5: 6
Games 6&7: 2

Pct Drives Ending in TD's
Games 3-5: 20%
Games 6&7: 10.5%

Average Starting Field Position:
Games 3-5: 21.4
Games 6&7: 27.14

Pct Passing/Running plays
Games 3-5: 63.8%/36.2%
Games 6&7: 45%/55%

Average Yards Per Carry
Games 3-5: 2.4 Yards
Games 6&7: 3.8 Yards

Average Points Scored by Opponent Offense
Games 3-5: 25.4
Games 6&7: 13

Opponents combined current record:

Games 3-5: 17-6
Games 6&7: 8-8

Starting Quarterback's combined rating:
Games 3-5: 92.2
Games 6&7: 58.5

Average Points Produced by Offense Per Game:
Games 3-5: 16

Games 6&7: 16
Cassell was given every singe advantage over Weeden to produce including:

Better Running Game
Better Defense
Better starting position
Easier Opponents
Better Receivers

....And there was zero improvement from what Weeden produced with far, far less.

Weeden would have helped the Cowboys to win that game. It may not have been big plays, but it would have been efficient and effective.

Weeden and Randle were both betrayed
 

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throwing Weeden back out there is pointless

Cassel isn't any better

running out of options

I hear Dez has a good arm. He could throw it to himself since nobody else gets open ;-)
 

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Offensive Touchdowns Scored
Games 3-5: 6
Games 6&7: 2

Pct Drives Ending in TD's
Games 3-5: 20%
Games 6&7: 10.5%

Average Starting Field Position:
Games 3-5: 21.4
Games 6&7: 27.14

Pct Passing/Running plays
Games 3-5: 63.8%/36.2%
Games 6&7: 45%/55%

Average Yards Per Carry
Games 3-5: 2.4 Yards
Games 6&7: 3.8 Yards

Average Points Scored by Opponent Offense
Games 3-5: 25.4
Games 6&7: 13

Opponents combined current record:

Games 3-5: 17-6
Games 6&7: 8-8

Starting Quarterback's combined rating:
Games 3-5: 92.2
Games 6&7: 58.5

Average Points Produced by Offense Per Game:
Games 3-5: 16

Games 6&7: 16
Cassell was given every singe advantage over Weeden to produce including:

Better Running Game
Better Defense
Better starting position
Easier Opponents
Better Receivers

....And there was zero improvement from what Weeden produced with far, far less.

Weeden would have helped the Cowboys to win that game. It may not have been big plays, but it would have been efficient and effective.

And yet - a loss is a loss - which was my reason to try Cassell. We lost 3 with Weeden. We have lost 2 with Cassell but we were in both of them to the end.
 

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If the Cowboy defense holds opponents to tthe same average 13 points they did in games 3-5 ,then the Cowboys are 4-1 going into the break.

The problem with evaluating a player based strictly on observation is that we are very selective with our memory.

Weeden is a statue? No. Weeden just dinks and dunks? No. The stats do not support this claim.

A loss is a loss? This is true if you are discussing the team as a whole. But to auggest that Weeden was the difference?To suggested that another quarterback that has produced less despite better circumatances is preferable? It just defies logic.

Does anyone remember the last Cowboy possession. Against the Saints? The Cowboys are down by a TD and they start on their own 9 yard line. At one point Weeden completes three consecutive paases to three different receivers for 24, 28, and 19 yards .

He drives the Cowboys 91 yards and throws the TD with a few seconds left. He didn't lose that game, he never got the chance to get on the field to win it. Seriously, how can anyone say he lost that game?

Statistics alone won't tell the whole story I agree, but you can't even begin a story without the stats. When you combine this with splits numbers that break down very specific situations then its really easy to call someone out who believes his power of observation trumps a numerical record of the players and team's actual results.

The Cowboy defense holds two teams offensea to 13 points and they run the ball 55% of the time. Cassel threw more INT's in one quarter than Weeden threw in three games.Somehow we are convinced this was a fluke. We are equally convinced that Weedens numbers are a fluke.

This begs the question:

How many flukes do we need for an upgrade to being real?
 
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