The Upgrade Everyone Was Ranting About

[NextGenBoys]

I was never a fan of benching Weeden for a guy who's been with our team for a month.

Weeden took first team reps for 2 years, and we pull the plug on him after 2 weeks? He needed to play better, no doubt, but the coaching has been abysmal without Romo.

 

[Idgit]

The point of the thread is that weeden would have won a game that cassel didnt? I dont think so. They both suck.

I thought the point was a very simple one. The upgrade everybody was calling for has turned out to actually be a downgrade in terms of production. Pretty straightforward. And, agree or not, there's good data in the OP to support that position.

I'll add, for my own part, that the argument to start a player because 'he can't be any worse' is a bad one, because he obviously can be worse.

And I'll go further to say that, yes, I think there's a good chance Weeden might have been able to get the team past that Giants team if he didn't throw the stupid picks. Maybe not, because Cassel did make some really nice throws on that TD drive, and we'd still have given up the ST touchdown, which is hard to overcome. But the three picks and the pick-6 were backbreakers.

 

[tyke1doe]

Weeden would have helped the Cowboys to win that game. It may not have been big plays, but it would have been efficient and effective.

 

[Idgit]

This is a lot of i formation but youre looking at it in a vacuum. The running game improved at least in part because there was a threat of the ball being thrown past the line of scrimmage. Cassel has been bad but weeden's "high" rating is worthless when he has a drive in which hes 3/3 for 7 yards and they go 3 and out.

You can as easily say Cassel had the benefit of better defensive pressure and better game situations as a result. Or that he had Dez for one of his two games, which gave more favorable coverage to players like Witten or Beasley who NE just doubled up against Weeden.

For the most part, the running game improved because we're blocking better finally. I didn't see SEA changing up anything they do as a defense because Matt Cassel was in the lineup.

 

[Idgit]

It's like picking your favorite two of Curly, Larry & Moe.

This, I think, is the heart of the problem. We don't have a solution to the QB problem. We have to win these games elsewhere, and we haven't been able to.

 

[BrassCowboy]

is this actually a serious thread? wow I thought it was a joke. Didn't think people would actually think we would fare any better by putting Weeden back in. Really? The guy had plenty of time with this team to prove himself, you know what you got in Weeden. Frankly he would be the first person I cut if I needed a roster spot (after Romo is back of course and even then I might take my chances on the Moore guy first from the practice squad).

It would be silly to even consider putting Weeden back in at starter.

 

[tyke1doe]

If Weeden started the last two games with all the additional help that Cassel received in the way of a running game, defense, and Dez Bryant on the field, the Cowboys would be sitting at 4-3.

Please tell me you're related to Weeden.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

is this actually a serious thread? wow I thought it was a joke. Didn't think people would actually think we would fare any better by putting Weeden back in. Really? The guy had plenty of time with this team to prove himself, you know what you got in Weeden. Frankly he would be the first person I cut if I needed a roster spot (after Romo is back of course and even then I might take my chances on the Moore guy first from the practice squad).

It would be silly to even consider putting Weeden back in at starter.

Another clueless post. I'm not sure what's worse, the foolish hope that was in Matt Cassel or the hyperbole about how bad Weeden was. But since the same people are responsible for both, that tells you all you need to know.

 

[Cowboys22]

Take away Weeden's very first quarter of play which was obviously a fluke and his numbers might be the worst of all time. After that first quarter, the team appeared as if it never had any chance to score. It was brutally painful to watch the team with Weeden at QB. There was no reason to ever believe the team would win the game. At least with Cassell, the team has had a chance to win both games. He is 100 times better than Weeden and I don't care what any stats say. I believe my eyes and they told me we were in both games with a chance to win when Cassel was the QB. That all I need to know.

 

[DFWJC]

Romo was throwing in practice today.
fwiw

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14051617/tony-romo-throws-dallas-cowboys-practice-1st-injury

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Take away Weeden's very first quarter of play which was obviously a fluke and his numbers might be the worst of all time. After that first quarter, the team appeared as if it never had any chance to score. It was brutally painful to watch the team with Weeden at QB. There was no reason to ever believe the team would win the game. At least with Cassell, the team has had a chance to win both games. He is 100 times better than Weeden and I don't care what any stats say. I believe my eyes and they told me we were in both games with a chance to win when Cassel was the QB. That all I need to know.

"Stats are worthless when they don't support my argument." Thanks for the contribution. We'll just trust your cataract-riddled eye tests instead.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm not sure "everyone" was raving about Cassell. Maybe 10% with the rest being semi-indifferent.

 

[Alexander]

I'm not sure "everyone" was raving about Cassell. Maybe 10% with the rest being semi-indifferent.

The mantra was anyone but Weeden. Now it is has shift back to thinking switching one bad QB back to the other will work.

There are no degrees of improvement. It is the same sad little QB that can't play; struggling in this offense.

 

[fifaguy]

Explosive either way.



(Not srs)

 

[Sasquatch]

Take away Weeden's very first quarter of play which was obviously a fluke and his numbers might be the worst of all time. After that first quarter, the team appeared as if it never had any chance to score. It was brutally painful to watch the team with Weeden at QB. There was no reason to ever believe the team would win the game. At least with Cassell, the team has had a chance to win both games. He is 100 times better than Weeden and I don't care what any stats say. I believe my eyes and they told me we were in both games with a chance to win when Cassel was the QB. That all I need to know.

I tend to agree with those who see this as a choiceless choice but for the sake of argument....

1. The Weeden-led Cowboys entered the fourth quarter ahead of Atlanta and tied with NO (i.e. they "were in both games with a chance to win" at crunch time).

2. Discount a productive quarter from Cassell and he appears much worse than he already appears as well.

 

[Doomsday]

My biggest issue is it felt like the Cowboys let the media and other outside forces influence their decision to bench Weeden. They invest 2 years in Weeden as backup then bail on him for a guy that has 2 weeks in the offense after only two games?

 

[BrassCowboy]

Another clueless post. I'm not sure what's worse, the foolish hope that was in Matt Cassel or the hyperbole about how bad Weeden was. But since the same people are responsible for both, that tells you all you need to know.

wow thanks, didn't know that

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

My biggest issue is it felt like the Cowboys let the media and other outside forces influence their decision to bench Weeden. They invest 2 years in Weeden as backup then bail on him for a guy that has 2 weeks in the offense after only two games?

Weeden in his 2 years of the offense didn't exactly do much with it either. In 2nd half of games he was just as bad as Cassell was vs Seattle. He refused to throw downfield (even when wr's were open). Cassell had wr's open too, but at least he was playing Seattles secondary. Weeden would have been just as bad vs that secondary.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Great now folks are trying to convince me that Weeden was/is our best option.....

Cassel may be garbage... but he's new garbage that I just found out about... Weeden was the same ole garbage from last year...On top of that, they were trying to convince me that he wasn't the same ole garbage???!??!!

At some point, I need to speak to the people feeding me all of this garbage.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Debating Weeden vs Cassel should make every fan of this team beg for a QB in the draft. I still can't believe these nimrods thought they could turn Brandon Weeden a viable NFL QB.