The whole Cooper Rush thing is put to bed

[charron]

When your defense gifts any offense the ball with about 30 yards in front of the opponents endzone you expect to put up points. The defense did this 4 times on saturday. Most QB's in the league can do that, including Rush. Rush and Dak did the same thing in outperforming expectations when they were forced to start. Rush nearly beat the iggles with their starting qb, Dak barely won while they had a backup. Dak is better but for a 6 year starter you'd hope the gap would be wider than it is, but the skill gap is much closer than their pay gap.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

When your defense gifts any offense the ball with about 30 yards in front of the opponents endzone you expect to put up points. The defense did this 4 times on saturday. Most QB's in the league can do that, including Rush. Rush and Dak did the same thing in outperforming expectations when they were forced to start. Rush nearly beat the iggles with their starting qb, Dak barely won while they had a backup. Dak is better but for a 6 year starter you'd hope the gap would be wider than it is, but the skill gap is much closer than their pay gap.

actually Rush couldn't. we had one of the worst offenses in the league when he played. turnover gifts and all.

and Rush didn't nearly win the game against eagles. eagles were in control the whole game. Rush gave the game away with three interceptions because he couldn't throw it past 15 yards.

 

[charron]

actually Rush couldn't. we had one of the worst offenses in the league when he played. turnover gifts and all.

and Rush didn't nearly win the game against eagles. eagles were in control the whole game. Rush gave the game away with three interceptions because he couldn't throw it past 15 yards.

26-17 is pretty good for a guy with so few starts going against that defense, before their DL injuries. You can discredit it though but that is your opinion. The game ended much closer than I or most would think after rush threw 3 int's. The guys started what 6 games in 5 years, with 1 loss that's not bad unless you feel he actually threatens the overpaid starter. But Dak is better make no mistake about it, it's just closer than it should be. You don't have to like or agree.

 

[Qcard]

well, the reality is there is a wave, signal of some kind that eminates from Rush's brain and when he plays, it just covers the entire cowboys team and it impacts the defensive players and they become smarter and better. its like an unreal hypnotism of some kind, the guy is so smart that he could have a PhD if he didn't choose to play football, he is destined to be an NFL coach and a HOF coach, that's how smart he is..... and he is so dang lovable, the defense just plays so much harder for him, because they like him so much and they don't like Dak so they play bad.........its called the "Rush Effect"....google it. you will see.

Rush Effect

Makes Cowboy Defense play smarter and only give up 26 pts after 3 INTs against Eagles!!

 

[jaybird]

For all of the people calling for Cooper Rush to get back in. That's dead!!! Cooper Rush isn't capable of playing the type of game Dak played today. He's a CAREER BACKUP FOR A REASON!!!

Dak is by far our best quarterback. Is he elite??? Absolutely not. Is he very good??? Absolutely!!! Dak led in a win over the best defense in football ON TOP of having to deal with more damn penalties.

So ladies and gentlemen.... that whole "put Rush back in" crap is put to bed and dead as a door nail.

To my real fans... enjoy the win this week and it's back to business next weekend.

To all those cowardly haters.... see ya after our next loss because we know you weaklings will hide all week ESPECIALLY after this performance by the offense.

i still cant get over Kellen was a genuis during Rush’s games, but not many say hes an idiot.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

i still cant get over Kellen was a genuis during Rush’s games, but not many say hes an idiot.

He wasn't genuis during rush games....the offense was 27th in the league....the defense was really good...that was the difference....defense is kind of has a.bunch of injuries.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak gave up a pick 6 against an Eagles defense that was having to play longer and not able to be as aggressive because they had a backup quarterback turning the ball over.
Dak gave up more points by himself than the Cowboys won by. And lets not forget, the Cowboys would be tied for first except Dak lost to the Packers and the Jaguars in games that he helped them win

 

[jaybird]

He wasn't genuis during rush games....the offense was 27th in the league....the defense was really good...that was the difference....defense is kind of has a.bunch of injuries.

that wasnt the consensus on this forum

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

26-17 is pretty good for a guy with so few starts going against that defense, before their DL injuries. You can discredit it though but that is your opinion. The game ended much closer than I or most would think after rush threw 3 int's. The guys started what 6 games in 5 years, with 1 loss that's not bad unless you feel he actually threatens the overpaid starter. But Dak is better make no mistake about it, it's just closer than it should be. You don't have to like or agree.

I am not dicrediting it. I think that was about average for Rush, leaning on rushing game and defense. but at some point you have to be able to elevate a team and he just couldn't. nothing wrong, that's why he is a backup QB, he needs everything to go right for us to win and in the 4 game win streak, everything went right.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Actually no it doesn't work both ways because I never claimed to be in the middle

You did. I'm not. I think Dak is grossly overrated and want the cowboys to move on.

So back to you? When's the last time you got on a dak homer for refusing to acknowledge a mistake on his part?

And if you can't answer that question then take your "I'm down the middle" bull $hit and move on.

oh, my mistake. you are hater then (as you just said). I have plenty of times said Dak is not Elite, somewhere in the 8-12 range. he is inconsistent, but does enough good stuff, I have said plenty of times he needs a good team and support cast and have said many times you don't have to have an elite QB to win a superbowl, as there are plenty that did it without. you can find my posts even during the past week, the week before and the week before that...
I have criticized his bad plays, but also praise him when he plays good. all my posts are out there for you to go and see. unlike some Dak haters, I don't hide my profile or posts. its open for anyone to just go look at all my posts.

now if anyone seemingly unjustly criticizes, I ask questions and often Dak haters (perhaps even you) make that into me being a Dak homer or apologist or something to that effect. if you can't explain a criticism, then that's just makes you ignorant....

I don't have pure hate in my heart, and look to nit pick every little thing he does as some haters do....unlike Dak haters like yourself, I don't evaluate him in a vaccum.

it seems like I got under your skin for some reason and you seem very angry.

so why do you hate Dak?

 

[charron]

I am not dicrediting it. I think that was about average for Rush, leaning on rushing game and defense. but at some point you have to be able to elevate a team and he just couldn't. nothing wrong, that's why he is a backup QB, he needs everything to go right for us to win and in the 4 game win streak, everything went right.

I say the same thing about the other guy.

So vs the iggles Dak had 12 posessions.
1- he gave the iggles 7 points
2- The offense scored off 8 of the 12
3- of the 8 scoring possessions 4 came off turnovers with short fields, basically they were in FG range
4- 2 ended in FG


To say Rush or most other average QB's can't do that is insane. Because they can and Rush has. The drop off from dak to rush is just not that much. same formula to win with both, running game and defense playing well goes a long way for any QB.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I say the same thing about the other guy.

So vs the iggles Dak had 12 posessions.
1- he gave the iggles 7 points
2- The offense scored off 8 of the 12
3- of the 8 scoring possessions 4 came off turnovers with short fields, basically they were in FG range
4- 2 ended in FG


To say Rush or most other average QB's can't do that is insane. Because they can and Rush has. The drop off from dak to rush is just not that much. same formula to win with both, running game and defense playing well goes a long way for any QB.

no, its not insane.... and some can't....reality is we had 347 passing, 115 rushing. that's a 460+ yard offensive day..... short field or not, that's a lot of offensive output on any day of the week......any game..... and those short fields have to still be converted to points. to expect that every turnover ends up in a TD is insane, given that would demand anyone to be perfect off any turnover. show me anyone who has been perfect off turnovers game in game out. that's unrealistic expectations of any QB, elite or not.

now, compared to Rush who had 181 yards passing with support of 134 yards rushing (a very good rushing day) averaging over 5 YPC. Rush had 10 possessions. mustered only 17 points. threw three interceptions....couldn't recover from the first one.

facts are that with Rush, we were 27th in offense and in scoring. with Dak we are #1 scoring offense in the league. there is absolutely no comparison whatso ever....none.

 

[charron]

no, its not insane.... and some can't....reality is we had 347 passing, 115 rushing. that's a 460+ yard offensive day..... short field or not, that's a lot of offensive output on any day of the week......any game..... and those short fields have to still be converted to points. to expect that every turnover ends up in a TD is insane, given that would demand anyone to be perfect off any turnover. show me anyone who has been perfect off turnovers game in game out. that's unrealistic expectations of any QB, elite or not.

now, compared to Rush who had 181 yards passing with support of 134 yards rushing (a very good rushing day) averaging over 5 YPC. Rush had 10 possessions. mustered only 17 points. threw three interceptions....couldn't recover from the first one.

facts are that with Rush, we were 27th in offense and in scoring. with Dak we are #1 scoring offense in the league. there is absolutely no comparison whatso ever....none.

i don't expect every turnover to end in points unless those turnovers are within 30 yards of the endzone like they were. They were already within FG range at that point so it would be catastrophic to not come away with points. No arguing rush had a bad day, now compare that to daks bad game within the same year, with mostly the same players... Dak threw for 134 yards 1 int no TD's to start the year. They all have bad games, they all can use defensive help and a productive run game. Neither of these guys are elite.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

i don't expect every turnover to end in points unless those turnovers are within 30 yards of the endzone like they were. They were already within FG range at that point so it would be catastrophic to not come away with points. No arguing rush had a bad day, now compare that to daks bad game within the same year, with mostly the same players... Dak threw for 134 yards 1 int no TD's to start the year. They all have bad games, they all can use defensive help and a productive run game. Neither of these guys are elite.

catastropic? wow aren't we being dramatic. the first two turnovers ended in TDs...the 3rd one was on Dallas 40 ended up in field goal. the last one, with 2 minutes to go... dallas wasting time and scoring a field goal, not being risky and making sure they waste their timeouts.... and leave them with a long field to drive for a TD, where a field goal wouldn't be enough....I think the coaches handled it the right way, as opposed to the game against Jags, where Moore called a deep pass to brown on the left side line with 1.5 minutes to go..

watch the game my friend.....

and yes, Dak started the year bad.....and you are comparing that game to Rush's game against philly....but forget that Rush's worst game was a 102 yard passing day with no TDs. scoring all of 13 points offensively against the rams... since the defense literally gited them 9 points......the defense scored one less than the rams... but hey, lets throw praise at Cooper Rush for a craapy game and give him credit...but lets focus on one or two drive's for Dak and just analyze it to death...

cooper rush got progressively worse each game he played as DCs figured out he can't pass farther than 15 yards essentially.

neither is elite. never claimed Dak is elite....but Rush is not in the same hemisphere as Dak..... come on dude. stop it.

 

[charron]

catastropic? wow aren't we being dramatic. the first two turnovers ended in TDs...the 3rd one was on Dallas 40 ended up in field goal. the last one, with 2 minutes to go... dallas wasting time and scoring a field goal, not being risky and making sure they waste their timeouts.... and leave them with a long field to drive for a TD, where a field goal wouldn't be enough....I think the coaches handled it the right way, as opposed to the game against Jags, where Moore called a deep pass to brown on the left side line with 1.5 minutes to go..
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like i said not getting points would be catastrophic. Every turnover being near FG range. I know you get worked up about your boy but try and comprehend. The point being if they hadn't come away with points it would have been bad. if you need further clarification please take a break and come back. Maybe your getting a little too sensitive as you are arguing with others I don't know. What I do know is they needed points off of each turn over and they got them, had they not they probably lose the game.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

like i said not getting points would be catastrophic. Every turnover being near FG range. I know you get worked up about your boy but try and comprehend. The point being if they hadn't come away with points it would have been bad. if you need further clarification please take a break and come back. Maybe your getting a little too sensitive as you are arguing with others I don't know. What I do know is they needed points off of each turn over and they got them, had they not they probably lose the game.

who is worked up? me or you?....you are trying so hard to diss a 40 point game and at the same time pump up your Rush Crush resorting to comparing rush's game against Eagles to Dak's game against tamp to try and make a point of which I have no idea what!!!!....

and are you complaining because we got 20 points off turnovers..I don't get what you are complaining about? or are you playing ifs/buts/thens? the fact is it did happen. they did score. they did win. everything else you are arguing is a hypothetical. no questions.....

 

[charron]

who is worked up? me or you?....you are trying so hard to diss a 40 point game and at the same time pump up your Rush Crush resorting to comparing rush's game against Eagles to Dak's game against tamp to try and make a point of which I have no idea what!!!!....

and are you complaining because we got 20 points off turnovers..I don't get what you are complaining about? or are you playing ifs/buts/thens? the fact is it did happen. they did score. they did win. everything else you are arguing is a hypothetical. no questions.....

What are you smoking i'm not complaining they got points off turnovers. That is not what I said at all. For someone who reads a message board all day your comprehension is way too low. good luck

 

[kskboys]

that wasnt the consensus on this forum

It really was. Good posters mostly stay out of the ultra moronic QB threads.

 

[Rockport]

When your defense gifts any offense the ball with about 30 yards in front of the opponents endzone you expect to put up points. The defense did this 4 times on saturday. Most QB's in the league can do that, including Rush. Rush and Dak did the same thing in outperforming expectations when they were forced to start. Rush nearly beat the iggles with their starting qb, Dak barely won while they had a backup. Dak is better but for a 6 year starter you'd hope the gap would be wider than it is, but the skill gap is much closer than their pay gap.

 

[kskboys]

N the spatting starts yet again.