The whole Cooper Rush thing is put to bed

[Hadenough]

Since we're done comparing Dak to Rush can we get back to Dak looks like Baker Mayfield when the game becomes big.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What are you smoking i'm not complaining they got points off turnovers. That is not what I said at all. For someone who reads a message board all day your comprehension is way too low. good luck

I am enjoying the holidays. family out shopping, so bored and on this forum.....

and sorry, your hatred is blinding you. your rush crush is fooling you into something that's nothing but fools gold.

and not getting points off turnovers is not CATASTROPHIC.... no, its bad. but I know you have a penchant for drama, so I get it.

trying to dismiss/diminish the offensive output, because of turnovers. playing ifs/buts/thens. 460+ yards of offensive output. is 460+ yards of offensive output regardless of turnovers. you still have to get the yards, make the plays. score. that's a good offensive day regardless of the game or who you play. then you try to make excuses for your rush crus, with he hadn't played, he did great, he had good output, blah blah blah.......come on dude. accusing me of smoking something while holding the joint in your hand.... LOL

I am done with your meaningless drivel...

 

[DuncanIso]

Cooper Rush wins football games.

 

[b0xZZ]

Doesn't matter we're not going to win a Super Bowl with either. I don't get excited about stats I care about Lombardis.

Yep that sums it up. The QB controversy arguments are just a distraction from a 25 year drought. Who cares who throws the ball, neither of those two are winning a super bowl.

 

[RoboQB]

I'm certain the vast majority of the Rush Talk was done
to pull the chain of those easily distracted.

With that said, he did well. As the saying goes, the backup QB
is usually the most liked guy on the team. He'll never have to
buy a drink again in Dallas.

 

[Doomsday101]

For all of the people calling for Cooper Rush to get back in. That's dead!!! Cooper Rush isn't capable of playing the type of game Dak played today. He's a CAREER BACKUP FOR A REASON!!!

Dak is by far our best quarterback. Is he elite??? Absolutely not. Is he very good??? Absolutely!!! Dak led in a win over the best defense in football ON TOP of having to deal with more damn penalties.

So ladies and gentlemen.... that whole "put Rush back in" crap is put to bed and dead as a door nail.

To my real fans... enjoy the win this week and it's back to business next weekend.

To all those cowardly haters.... see ya after our next loss because we know you weaklings will hide all week ESPECIALLY after this performance by the offense.

I like Rush and think we are fortunate to have a backup like him, I never once doubted who the better QB was, Dak hands down. Somehow around here if you say that you are a Cooper Rush hater and that is a load of BS. Rush helped save this season very happy with him and hope he returns as the backup QB next season

 

[RonWashington]

My take on the “ Cooper Rush thing “ whatever that means is the Cowboys can feel like they have a legit back up QB who can fill in and win games . Probably means in the off season the Cowboys Re sign him with a nice raise . Good insurance policy .

 

[BoysForLife]

oh, my mistake. you are hater then (as you just said). I have plenty of times said Dak is not Elite, somewhere in the 8-12 range. he is inconsistent, but does enough good stuff, I have said plenty of times he needs a good team and support cast and have said many times you don't have to have an elite QB to win a superbowl, as there are plenty that did it without. you can find my posts even during the past week, the week before and the week before that...
I have criticized his bad plays, but also praise him when he plays good. all my posts are out there for you to go and see. unlike some Dak haters, I don't hide my profile or posts. its open for anyone to just go look at all my posts.

now if anyone seemingly unjustly criticizes, I ask questions and often Dak haters (perhaps even you) make that into me being a Dak homer or apologist or something to that effect. if you can't explain a criticism, then that's just makes you ignorant....

I don't have pure hate in my heart, and look to nit pick every little thing he does as some haters do....unlike Dak haters like yourself, I don't evaluate him in a vaccum.

it seems like I got under your skin for some reason and you seem very angry.

so why do you hate Dak?

You for sure got under my skin, be refusing to answer my question and instead trying to throw it back in my lap as if I was being some hypocrite and "not complaining about Dak's hyper critics". I'll be honest, that irritated me because you and I both know, you aren't bothered by Dak's love struck sycophants. You're claiming to be down the middle but only his critics bother you. So why not just say so?

As for the rest of your post, weak sauce my friend. I said, and continue to say, that I believe Dak is overrated and that I want the Cowboys to move on.
for some reason, that comment prompted you to accuse me of being a "hater" or "hateful" of some other use of the word hate no less than seven times in one post.

That tells me all I Need to know. Despite your claims to be down the middle and want to understand both sides, the minute I said I think Dak is overrated you understood that as "hatred". At that point, legit discussion of the player on his merits isn't in the cards. All you want to know is why I "hate" dak. That's not a good starting point for a discussion so moving on.

Hope you had a good Christmas. I honestly mean that by the way.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You for sure got under my skin, be refusing to answer my question and instead trying to throw it back in my lap as if I was being some hypocrite and "not complaining about Dak's hyper critics". I'll be honest, that irritated me because you and I both know, you aren't bothered by Dak's love struck sycophants. You're claiming to be down the middle but only his critics bother you. So why not just say so?

As for the rest of your post, weak sauce my friend. I said, and continue to say, that I believe Dak is overrated and that I want the Cowboys to move on.
for some reason, that comment prompted you to accuse me of being a "hater" or "hateful" of some other use of the word hate no less than seven times in one post.

That tells me all I Need to know. Despite your claims to be down the middle and want to understand both sides, the minute I said I think Dak is overrated you understood that as "hatred". At that point, legit discussion of the player on his merits isn't in the cards. All you want to know is why I "hate" dak. That's not a good starting point for a discussion so moving on.

Hope you had a good Christmas. I honestly mean that by the way.

no, reality is that you only are sensitive to my comments about some of the unreasonable critics...that's what you are focused on and totally missing any other posts from past that I dismiss the dak lovers....I have as I said, repeatedly said that Dak is not elite. he makes mistakes. doesn't mean we can't win with him and unless someone provides a better alternative than some yahoo fantasy football trade or option, then I am all for it. but given your sensitivity, you only see what you want to see. you are only focused on what triggers you and thus your responses.

and lets say we need to move on. what's the better option you have? build me a better a team....gaurantee me its better than now.....

you forget that football is a team sport and the best TEAM wins, not the best QB. proven over and over again in football. but nah...you are very hyper focused on one thing and one thing only. thus you spin....

 

[BoysForLife]

no, reality is that you only are sensitive to my comments about some of the unreasonable critics...that's what you are focused on and totally missing any other posts from past that I dismiss the dak lovers....I have as I said, repeatedly said that Dak is not elite. he makes mistakes. doesn't mean we can't win with him and unless someone provides a better alternative than some yahoo fantasy football trade or option, then I am all for it. but given your sensitivity, you only see what you want to see. you are only focused on what triggers you and thus your responses.

and lets say we need to move on. what's the better option you have? build me a better a team....gaurantee me its better than now.....

you forget that football is a team sport and the best TEAM wins, not the best QB. proven over and over again in football. but nah...you are very hyper focused on one thing and one thing only. thus you spin....

no spin here. If anything, I get into trouble with posters such as yourself by not soft selling it and trying to say things that won't cause me to be accused of "blind hatred" and so forth.

As far as a plan to move in a different direction at the QB spot, I can't guarantee you anything. Nor can you guarantee me that if we stick with Dak, we'll ever be better than we are now. There are no guarantees in this kind of a situation, so you asking for one is a red herring and we both know that. I can tell you, the KC example is pretty striking. They had Smith. He was "good enough" to win, with the right team around him, just like you claim Dak is. But they elected to risk and not go for the safe play. No guarantees. But it worked out pretty well for them. Yes I know Mahomes types don't grow on trees, but at the time they gave him the keys to the car, it was a tremendously risky move with no promises. But nothing ventured, nothing gained imo.

I guess the operative question is, Would we rather be in the mix for our division regularly, maybe winning the East some years and limping into the playoffs other years, to be one and done most times, just because it's the "safe" play? If you would then good on you. I'd rather the team be really awesome, or risk being really terrible while trying to be really good. Consistent marginal results aren't exciting to me. Been there, done that, for 27 years.

Curious, I don't really like to go into people's posting history because it seems like borderline stalking and kind of weird behavior, so I have no interest in searching your post history. But from my perspective, I see you defending Dak a lot and calling out his "haters". This discussion alone with you and me, you've accused me of "hatred" no less than 10-15 times, maybe more. On the other hand, I can't honestly recall a single time where you called out one of the homer crowd for refusing to accept that Dak can make a mistake and that not every pick he throws is Kellen Moore or the WR's fault.

Would you mind posting a link to such a post where you called out one of the extremes on the other side of this debate? Not looking for you personally acknowledging Dak's mistakes, I'm looking for example of you calling someone out for being a blind homer and basically a Dak Davidian for lack of better term. You have no problem calling out supposed "haters" like me. Which is fine, that's your right. Just haven't seen you do it "down the middle" as you claim.

if you would be willing to do that I will give you a public apology for my mis-characterization of your position on this.

No strings attached, and no ulterior motives. Just willing to offer an honest acknowledgement that I had read you wrong and falsely accused you of being someone you are not, if you can show the evidence. I truly don't want to have some infantile internet war. if I've missed it, and you have posts showing you truly hitting both sides of this spectrum equally, then I will apologize.

do you have a link to a post or two?
No need to link to your criticism of the posters who are blinded by extreme "hatred" for Dak, I think this current discussion is sufficient evidence of your disdain for Dak's detractors. Just looking for some examples of your disdain for the sunshine and roses crowd on the other end of the spectrum.

thanks.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

no spin here. If anything, I get into trouble with posters such as yourself by not soft selling it and trying to say things that won't cause me to be accused of "blind hatred" and so forth.

As far as a plan to move in a different direction at the QB spot, I can't guarantee you anything. Nor can you guarantee me that if we stick with Dak, we'll ever be better than we are now. There are no guarantees in this kind of a situation, so you asking for one is a red herring and we both know that. I can tell you, the KC example is pretty striking. They had Smith. He was "good enough" to win, with the right team around him, just like you claim Dak is. But they elected to risk and not go for the safe play. No guarantees. But it worked out pretty well for them. Yes I know Mahomes types don't grow on trees, but at the time they gave him the keys to the car, it was a tremendously risky move with no promises. But nothing ventured, nothing gained imo.

I guess the operative question is, Would we rather be in the mix for our division regularly, maybe winning the East some years and limping into the playoffs other years, to be one and done most times, just because it's the "safe" play? If you would then good on you. I'd rather the team be really awesome, or risk being really terrible while trying to be really good. Consistent marginal results aren't exciting to me. Been there, done that, for 27 years.

Curious, I don't really like to go into people's posting history because it seems like borderline stalking and kind of weird behavior, so I have no interest in searching your post history. But from my perspective, I see you defending Dak a lot and calling out his "haters". This discussion alone with you and me, you've accused me of "hatred" no less than 10-15 times, maybe more. On the other hand, I can't honestly recall a single time where you called out one of the homer crowd for refusing to accept that Dak can make a mistake and that not every pick he throws is Kellen Moore or the WR's fault.

Would you mind posting a link to such a post where you called out one of the extremes on the other side of this debate? Not looking for you personally acknowledging Dak's mistakes, I'm looking for example of you calling someone out for being a blind homer and basically a Dak Davidian for lack of better term. You have no problem calling out supposed "haters" like me. Which is fine, that's your right. Just haven't seen you do it "down the middle" as you claim.

if you would be willing to do that I will give you a public apology for my mis-characterization of your position on this.

No strings attached, and no ulterior motives. Just willing to offer an honest acknowledgement that I had read you wrong and falsely accused you of being someone you are not, if you can show the evidence. I truly don't want to have some infantile internet war. if I've missed it, and you have posts showing you truly hitting both sides of this spectrum equally, then I will apologize.

do you have a link to a post or two?
No need to link to your criticism of the posters who are blinded by extreme "hatred" for Dak, I think this current discussion is sufficient evidence of your disdain for Dak's detractors. Just looking for some examples of your disdain for the sunshine and roses crowd on the other end of the spectrum.

thanks.

so essentially you have no plan, but you want everything to blown up. and lets see what happens..... just because....given most of the QBs, including mahomes are top 10-12 picks, then we have to suck really bad to get up there or make trades galore and go draft pick poor to get up there and pick one. knowing that 4 out of 5 first round picks fail....you mention mahomes, but fail to mention others that did the same and failed.... its typical. some of you even argued we should have drafted lynch because he would have been good in Dallas!!! yes, some of you did argue that....even though Lynch was a total failure in NFL, somehow he would be close to elite in Dallas!!!

you hate Dak. I get it. you want more. I get it. I want more, but there isn't another viable option......but is it Dak or is the GM? given we have had same results for 27+ years. Romo and all. or did you hate Romo too? finding an elite QB is tough, really tough. even if you had the top pick, you have to be lucky (Goff, Wentz went 1-2, Mayfield was top pick, ATurbiskey was 2nd). Mahomes had tons of question marks, but I find it funny all the pundits, have a crystal ball after the fact and its hilarious that they all swear by this QB and that QB before the draft and want us to get them, trade everything, then when these QBs fail, you don't hear a peep!!!...

so I think we have a chance, we need some more support on the team on the defensive side to be able to get over the hump..... where you seemingly blame everything on Dak, I see him as an above average QB, that with some support is able to produce offensively and we just need a stronger defense to make a run in the playoffs. we all saw what a good defense does for the team earlier in the year......
a lot of teams as I mentioned have done and succeeded with non-elite QBs, so having an Elite QB is no guarantee. neither is not having one isn't a gauranteed failure......
and if you get an elite one, then its a 4, 5 year window before according to many of you, they get a super large contract and it all blows up because we can't sign anybody else.

and you have only seen my posts after eagles game, refuse to look at others and then come to conclusion that I am a dak defender because I refuse to throw hate and dismiss his performance against the eagles. that's typical, given a lot of Dak haters, take one throw, extrapolate that to a game and season and come to conclusion about Dak!!!

like I said, my posts are out there. if you are too lazy to go look through, then that's on you. I don't have to prove anything to you. I have clearly stated that I don't think he is elite. people around this forum know me and you dak haters call me a supporter because I don't agree with every single thing you say a 110%....so your response is a the typical response...I am not a hater, I don't spew negativity about Dak 100% of the time, thus I must be an ardent supporter..... to you there is no in between.

continue to be angry. I don't give a shiet. you are entitled to your opinion. I wish you luck in trying to prove whatever it is you are trying to prove...... being that you are misreable after a cowboys win, going out of your way to argue as you have, tells me all I need to know about you.

I am done with this non-sense. good luck to you

 

[MapleLeaf]

it shouldve been put to bed along time ago

Rush is a good qb and im forever greatful he took us to 4-2 when it looked like we would be 1-5

but he was never better than Dak, ever

Cowboys are a really solid team who rallied around Cooper when the chips were down. Moore simplified the game, Zeke and Pollard stepped up, the defence really stepped up and took over and Rush played within the concepts.

Those were great team wins, but he was never at the level of Prescott in terms of ability and potential.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Cooper Rush wins football games.

so wins are a QB stat....got it....thanks for the clarification.

 

[FVSTONE]

For all of the people calling for Cooper Rush to get back in. That's dead!!! Cooper Rush isn't capable of playing the type of game Dak played today. He's a CAREER BACKUP FOR A REASON!!!

Dak is by far our best quarterback. Is he elite??? Absolutely not. Is he very good??? Absolutely!!! Dak led in a win over the best defense in football ON TOP of having to deal with more damn penalties.

So ladies and gentlemen.... that whole "put Rush back in" crap is put to bed and dead as a door nail.

To my real fans... enjoy the win this week and it's back to business next weekend.

To all those cowardly haters.... see ya after our next loss because we know you weaklings will hide all week ESPECIALLY after this performance by the offense.

Why????? If it weren't for Rush this season would probably be over. He came in and did his job while Prescot was healing and if we need him again I'm sure he'll help this club just like he did when Dak was done.

 

[BoysForLife]

so essentially you have no plan, but you want everything to blown up. and lets see what happens..... just because....given most of the QBs, including mahomes are top 10-12 picks, then we have to suck really bad to get up there or make trades galore and go draft pick poor to get up there and pick one. knowing that 4 out of 5 first round picks fail....you mention mahomes, but fail to mention others that did the same and failed.... its typical. some of you even argued we should have drafted lynch because he would have been good in Dallas!!! yes, some of you did argue that....even though Lynch was a total failure in NFL, somehow he would be close to elite in Dallas!!!

you hate Dak. I get it. you want more. I get it. I want more, but there isn't another viable option......but is it Dak or is the GM? given we have had same results for 27+ years. Romo and all. or did you hate Romo too? finding an elite QB is tough, really tough. even if you had the top pick, you have to be lucky (Goff, Wentz went 1-2, Mayfield was top pick, ATurbiskey was 2nd). Mahomes had tons of question marks, but I find it funny all the pundits, have a crystal ball after the fact and its hilarious that they all swear by this QB and that QB before the draft and want us to get them, trade everything, then when these QBs fail, you don't hear a peep!!!...

so I think we have a chance, we need some more support on the team on the defensive side to be able to get over the hump..... where you seemingly blame everything on Dak, I see him as an above average QB, that with some support is able to produce offensively and we just need a stronger defense to make a run in the playoffs. we all saw what a good defense does for the team earlier in the year......
a lot of teams as I mentioned have done and succeeded with non-elite QBs, so having an Elite QB is no guarantee. neither is not having one isn't a gauranteed failure......
and if you get an elite one, then its a 4, 5 year window before according to many of you, they get a super large contract and it all blows up because we can't sign anybody else.

and you have only seen my posts after eagles game, refuse to look at others and then come to conclusion that I am a dak defender because I refuse to throw hate and dismiss his performance against the eagles. that's typical, given a lot of Dak haters, take one throw, extrapolate that to a game and season and come to conclusion about Dak!!!

like I said, my posts are out there. if you are too lazy to go look through, then that's on you. I don't have to prove anything to you. I have clearly stated that I don't think he is elite. people around this forum know me and you dak haters call me a supporter because I don't agree with every single thing you say a 110%....so your response is a the typical response...I am not a hater, I don't spew negativity about Dak 100% of the time, thus I must be an ardent supporter..... to you there is no in between.

continue to be angry. I don't give a shiet. you are entitled to your opinion. I wish you luck in trying to prove whatever it is you are trying to prove...... being that you are misreable after a cowboys win, going out of your way to argue as you have, tells me all I need to know about you.

I am done with this non-sense. good luck to you

So, you have a ton of posts out there calling out the Dak Homers, but you don't have time to look a single one of them up.
However, you *DO* have time to type me a near full page rant telling me a whole lot of things I supposedly stand for, that I never said.
Again, just not enough time to provide a quick link to one of the tons of posts you have on record, "playing it down the middle" and calling out the Dak Davidians as much as you call out the "haters".

Sounds believable.

PS, referencing your next to last paragraph, I'm not angry. I'm enjoying the heck out of watching you flail.

 

[john van brocklin]

Why is this still being discussed?
Dak is going to be playing QB as long as Jerry is paying him 40 Million a year to do so.
On top of that Dak has the higher ceiling based on superior physical abilities.
Cooper did a great job as a fill in but is not a long term starter.
The sooner we all come to grips with this reality the happier fans we will be.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So, you have a ton of posts out there calling out the Dak Homers, but you don't have time to look a single one of them up.
However, you *DO* have time to type me a near full page rant telling me a whole lot of things I supposedly stand for, that I never said.
Again, just not enough time to provide a quick link to one of the tons of posts you have on record, "playing it down the middle" and calling out the Dak Davidians as much as you call out the "haters".

Sounds believable.

PS, referencing your next to last paragraph, I'm not angry. I'm enjoying the heck out of watching you flail.

LOL....you can't be this dumb, but perhaps you are overly emotional which explains a lot...going through life angry all the time is not the way to live. not good for you

you tell me I have time because I comment so much, yet here you are COMMENTING and yet you don't have time to look up my posts?...this is just too funny, accusing me of something, that he is not willing to do himself. prove me wrong.

and you have said enough.... in your own words, but perhaps alziemers is a wonderful thing for you

like I said, and you missed because you read two words and then made assumptions and typed in an emotional response after emotional response.... I don't have to prove anything...you don't believe me, then just look me up.... I have nothing to hide, unlike some people.

you Dak haters are hilarious in your over-the-top angry emotional responses. I bet you would rather see dallas lose so you can point fingers at Dak and say I told you so, than see Dallas win with Dak... tell me I am lying? show me a post where you celebrated a cowboys win with Dak as the QB

and lets talk about flailing....since your first response you been wiggling downwards in quick sand....every response more meaningless than the one before...keep wiggling

 

[Hadenough]

For all of the people calling for Cooper Rush to get back in. That's dead!!! Cooper Rush isn't capable of playing the type of game Dak played today. He's a CAREER BACKUP FOR A REASON!!!

Dak is by far our best quarterback. Is he elite??? Absolutely not. Is he very good??? Absolutely!!! Dak led in a win over the best defense in football ON TOP of having to deal with more damn penalties.

So ladies and gentlemen.... that whole "put Rush back in" crap is put to bed and dead as a door nail.

To my real fans... enjoy the win this week and it's back to business next weekend.

To all those cowardly haters.... see ya after our next loss because we know you weaklings will hide all week ESPECIALLY after this performance by the offense.

And where was this elite QB in that season opener. He managed a laughingly 3 points. Yeah he put 40 up on the Eagles but that's a division rival and he owns division. Let's see how he does in the playoffs this year before declaring him elite.

 

[Vandyr]

Only folks calling for Rush either don't know the game of football or have an agenda, or both.

LOL. I'm starting to think the ones that constantly fanboy over Dak have an agenda.

 

[blueblood70]

Why is this still being discussed?
Dak is going to be playing QB as long as Jerry is paying him 40 Million a year to do so.
On top of that Dak has the higher ceiling based on superior physical abilities.
Cooper did a great job as a fill in but is not a long term starter.
The sooner we all come to grips with this reality the happier fans we will be.

this pace coming to grips and finding common ground