The Winning Now, But Losing in Draft Power

[blueblood70]

If we beat the Bengals, you can kiss Jeanty and Kenneth Grant goodbye. If we lose to the Bengals they would still be in play. It's going to be interesting. A win against the Bengals and a Commanders loss to the Titans could possibly happen. Anyway, it's fun regardless.

I don't think it's fun at all you go out to win every game and in April when the draft comes you'll know what order you pick in you'll know who's available you would have to seen the combine and then we could talk about this right now it's a moot point we have football to play and there's nobody in that locker room or on the coaching staff and I believe our front office are not on board with this word called tanking they're not looking forward to the draft until it's time to look at the draft and I don't think we're losing all those players I mean we picked Derrick Henry went in the second round one of the best running backs of our generation are you lately right good players like Trayvon diggs got picked in the second round but we picked at #17 CD lamb Micah Parsons at #12 and you're trying to tell me that if we don't get into what the projected top ten we're gonna lose these players no 'cause we're probably gonna be if we keep winning but not winning enough right in the middle players right in the middle you just have to make the right decision that's up to the people drafting you gotta hope that they don't pass up on another TJ Watt but I don't think they would like they can't look at their scheme they can't look at who their coaching staff might be and what players they might want you take the very best player that pops up and you worry about everything else later that's the problem here when you pass up a guy like TJ Watt or you look for need and pick like mozzie Smith and there might have been a blazing wide receiver you passed up because of it because of you looked at it as need no you take the very best player on the board no matter the postion this year if you stick to BPA and you really stick to it I don't think you can have a bad draft no matter where we pick there's too many great players.. Wasn't Patrick mahomes like #13 I mean do we wanna go over all the players that were picked in the top three rounds they didn't have to be picked in the top ten that all we're still great pickups by their team nobody looks at just the top ten because you can go wrong there too especially the top five unless you need a quarterback I think it's a bad thing to be in the top five I mean you could trade out of it but it makes it more difficult to pick we don't have those type of holes I think picking between 10 and 15 would be perfect but even if we're at 17 I just mentioned it you're trying to tell me that CD lamb there have been plenty of players like him in that same area but TJ Watt went what #27?

 

[Ranching]

Don't waste your time bro. Too many posters stuck on ignorance. They just want to see some kind of wins......at all costs.......as long as their achey-breaky hearts are mended and healed for a week or two. They can't see the forest for the trees.

Yes I do..I want to see and enjoy wins. I'll let the tankers worry about the losses and the future. Whining and playing make believe draft is a waste of time

 

[rambo2]

Folks are upset that Dallas is winning and won't be able to draft a RB top five? Many would be upset if Dallas were to draft a RB top 5.

More likely to take Jeanty between 9 and 12 and I would be fine with that.

 

[deerhunter11]

It's less urgent in top of the first round yes but the way he's talking actually it would be better if we fell to the middle of the round to pick a guy like him it's a tough decision to pick a guy in the top ten and a running back you can get in the second round there are plenty more great running backs in this draft and I'd rather have one with a little more juice tell you the truth I want a Gibbs type we got a guy like Rico you can get guys like that to fill in your roster at running back and be very good you need that other guy that's game changing speed from the running back position so that way you have both the harder one to find would be the dude with juice so I'd rather look for one of those...

But like I said I take a running back in the first round like Jeanty if that's where we're picking, 15 to 18 he wouldn't be a waste that would be an easier decision but yes you're right we need far more positions but interior D lineman sure wide receiver yes and a pass rusher somebody's gonna be there where we pick in every round we have so much need you take best player available and one of them are gonna fit our team no matter what position they play IMHO

why these fans are scared of dropping a little bit in the draft when there's been a lot of great players at the positions we're discussing that have went at 17 through 31 in the first round they went in the second and third rounds they're great players all over the draft you just have to hit on them gotta pick the right one let's just not pick any TJ watts you know those types that you miss on it should have never been picked you can't make that mistake you need to pick the very best player on your board at just about any position and you should be able to get it right even if we are down in the middle of the rounds instead of at the top...

Right on , back in 1990 Dallas had to settle for Emmitt Smith at 17 .So maybe Jeanty will fall in the teens and history repeats its self .Dallas has to play and hope for some luck along the way.Just draft great players when you get the chance.

 

[rambo2]

in the past 25 years

go over our drafts and tell us how they ddi and how they imapacted the team.


The reality of the situation as per evidence, you arent changing this team because JJ does not want it changed.

Put number 1s at every position and you re still losing.

Draft doesnt matter to JJ.

There is not amount of wanting draft picks or changes that posters think is going to change anything.

We are Mediocrity and thats what JJ wants.

When they picked 4th. They went 13 and 3 the next year.

 

[blueblood70]

Right on , back in 1990 Dallas had to settle for Emmitt Smith at 17 .So maybe Jeanty will fall in the teens and history repeats its self .Dallas has to play and hope for some luck along the way.Just draft great players when you get the chance.

I can understand that and I I would be OK with it but at the same time if there was a player there like a dynamic can't miss wide receiver or pass rusher I might pass on him I know it might hurt but there's gotta be a running back in the second round with juice that can be pretty close to a game changing back I mean they don't all go in the first round anymore Derek Henry went in the second there are plenty of examples of some undrafted ones didn't Terrell Davis go undrafted or was he a low draft pick I mean just feeling like you have to have a top ten pick to build your roster in the draft is just it's not true.. We have so many holes that pretty much if you stick to BPA and if he happens to be that guy if jeanty happens to be that guy then take him but if you have somebody there with a bigger grade like a much bigger grade it's not a tie you must take that player and get your back in her third round I prefer the second round but they're all the way through three rounds the last 10 years it's been some damn good running backs there...

 

[CATCH17]

The draft is deep at edge, dtackle, and running back. They have a chance to do well wherever they end up.

Eh, we need impact players.

We’re a lot like the Steelers.

We’re always solid and it’s just going to keep us in the middle year after year after year.

 

[blueblood70]

When they picked 4th. They went 13 and 3 the next year.

with rookie QB and RB )

 

[blueblood70]

Right on , back in 1990 Dallas had to settle for Emmitt Smith at 17 .So maybe Jeanty will fall in the teens and history repeats its self .Dallas has to play and hope for some luck along the way.Just draft great players when you get the chance.

Well to add to that sticking to the Emmett Smith top look he was great and yes most of it was because of him but you gotta be real about that offensive line and it was a run first league back then I mean that offensive line was gigantic and our coaching staff's philosophy was run the ball first play great defense use play action they only needed one great wide receiver I mean if you just wanted to go with the triplets again we have that if you had a good running back to this but you're not gonna be able to duplicate that with an Emmitt Smith guy compared to say Barry Sanders that's what I'm hoping to get in this draft is a guy with juice versus one that you can hand the ball off to 35 * a game that's nice but if your offensive line's not perfect it's not set up with that and you need a guy that can create and that can run away from people.. So I'm OK with getting a different back than the one that keeps being talked about here 'cause I'm betting there's some backs that we haven't heard of or that we're not discussing that is gonna come into the discussion come March and we're looking at the combine and pre draft and we're gonna have a whole bunch of names pop up I would take a Gibbs type right now we can get the other types Rico could do the other role here but we would love a Gibbs mold..

 

[deerhunter11]

I can understand that and I I would be OK with it but at the same time if there was a player there like a dynamic can't miss wide receiver or pass rusher I might pass on him I know it might hurt but there's gotta be a running back in the second round with juice that can be pretty close to a game changing back I mean they don't all go in the first round anymore Derek Henry went in the second there are plenty of examples of some undrafted ones didn't Terrell Davis go undrafted or was he a low draft pick I mean just feeling like you have to have a top ten pick to build your roster in the draft is just it's not true.. We have so many holes that pretty much if you stick to BPA and if he happens to be that guy if jeanty happens to be that guy then take him but if you have somebody there with a bigger grade like a much bigger grade it's not a tie you must take that player and get your back in her third round I prefer the second round but they're all the way through three rounds the last 10 years it's been some damn good running backs there...

good post

 

[rambo2]

Eh, we need impact players.

We’re a lot like the Steelers.

We’re always solid and it’s just going to keep us in the middle year after year after year.

You never know. We were able to draft Lamb and Parsons. Also it looks like Overshown could be an impact player. They could possibly get lucky in the upcoming draft picking between 10 and 18.

 

[ShiningStar]

When they picked 4th. They went 13 and 3 the next year.

how did it end?

numbers mean nothing, no one hoists the lombardi on numbers.

 

[rambo2]

Eh, we need impact players.

We’re a lot like the Steelers.

We’re always solid and it’s just going to keep us in the middle year after year after year.

Possible impact players:
Ashton Jeanty
Kenneth Grant
Luther Burden
Tyler Warren
J T Tuimoloau
Josh Simmons
Shavon Revel
Nick Emmanwori
Kaleb Johnson

Remember this list and there will be others that I didn't mention that go on to become impact players.

 

[Sandyf]

Long time to go with 5 games left and most likely only favored in one. Whole league down on RB, so wouldn't surprise me to see no RB until late teens. Question is would Dallas even consider a RB in the 1st round.

 

[rambo2]

how did it end?

numbers mean nothing, no one hoists the lombardi on numbers.

It ended at 13 and 3 and could have ended better than that if they would have gone back to Romo.

 

[rambo2]

Long time to go with 5 games left and most likely only favored in one. Whole league down on RB, so wouldn't surprise me to see no RB until late teens. Question is would Dallas even consider a RB in the 1st round.

They could be favored over Bengals, Panthers, and Commanders.

 

[rambo2]

Long time to go with 5 games left and most likely only favored in one. Whole league down on RB, so wouldn't surprise me to see no RB until late teens. Question is would Dallas even consider a RB in the 1st round.

Jeanty is for sure under consideration. He has potential to be the best runner in the league.

 

[doomsday9084]

If the Cowboys had tanked hard they probably would have ended up in the 8 to 10 range for draft. If they keep winning, they will end up in the 15 to 18 range. They aren't making the playoffs and there are also a lot of pretty bad teams.

The ability to trade down and the talent difference isn't all that in that range. Its all about drafting ability.

 

[Kingofholland]

Who is the one player needed to lift this team, one of the lowest scoring teams in the league?
An impact, game wrecking RB, who can score in the red zone as did Tony Dorsett, Herschel Walker, Emmitt Smith and a young Zeke, and who had game-breaking speed.

Just as Juan Soto is a major impacting player, who hits in the clutch, who hits against the best pitchers in baseball, the Cowboys lack the dominating RB who can takeover the game and make the QB's job much easier.

The Boys need Boise State Ashton Jeanty badly, but winning is pushing this union away from reality. Jeanty is Emmitt Smith with breakaway speed. He will improve the passing game. Teams will fear him and he will open up passing lanes. He stands out head over shoulders above any other RB.

Continuing to win this year, we will lose out on Jeanty, Abdul Carter and Mason Graham, guys who can contribute as rookies. If all three are gone, I would pick Ohio State WR burner if available. If not, trade down twice and get two extra high picks

With a proven 30 year record of poor salary cap management, making free agent signings of very good players unrealistic, this team needs serious impact players who may not be available in the first round if we win more games.

Imagine this team without Turpin and our "uber" ( super in German) place kicker Aubrey. They have covered up the lack of offensive firepower. Look at the points scored this year of NFL teams. The Boys are near the bottom. This team needs offensive firepower more than anything else. Terrence Williams and Michael Gallop produced more early as 3rd round picks than any receivers on this team other then Lamb than. Tolbert is a decent 4th or 5th receiver. He cannot carry the team or make big plays.

I hear you, a dynamic RB will take pressure off every position, but only if they get the oline straight. I presume the Cowboys will end up picking somewhere between 8-13 which may be in the Jeanty range anyway. All depends on how teams value the RB position. However, even if they didn't get Jeanty this is supposed to be a deep RB class and great year to add an RB.

By the way there's only one Emmitt, Jeanty would be lucky to shine his shoes at this stage .

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

Don't waste your time bro. Too many posters stuck on ignorance. They just want to see some kind of wins......at all costs.......as long as their achey-breaky hearts are mended and healed for a week or two. They can't see the forest for the trees.

SO when stinky Dak was QB , you were all for winning . Now that your hero is sidelined, you want to lose ?

I think its become obvious why we were losing in the first place ( DAK ) .

So why Tank, just to add a piece for a clown who sucks at QB ?