theogt's controversial and not so controversial weekend training camp musings

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theogt;2864546 said:
After reading so many other wonderful threads and seeing so many expert opinions, I just had to do this:

* I'll lead with the most controversial. Let me start by saying, I was long a member of the MB3 camp early on in the JJ vs. MB3 debates. I was elated that he was signed long-term. I still am. I was one of the biggest (if not the biggest) supporters of Tashard Choice pre-draft. I thought he was a first round talent and think he could be a starter for the majority of teams in the NFL. With all of that said, I am thoroughly convinced that Felix Jones should be the starter and the feature back in this offense. He should have *at least* 200 touches this season -- rushing. Add on another 40+ receiving. This guy is truly amazing and is far and away the best running back that we have.

Barber is overpaid, Jones is injury prone and can only do 7 reps and Choice was only succesful against all those great defenses because teams overlooked him.

* Bobby Carpenter had a great set of practices. He was all over the place making plays, against the run and pass. Maybe it was just due to being his birthday weekend or otherwise, but he looks like he has a chip on his shoulder. He hits harder the the others, he runs harder, he just looks like he's trying harder. Hopefully it pays off or sticks come gametime.

Carpenter is a bust, there is no possible way he will get better. Ever.

* David Buehler. What more can I say that hasn't already been said? This guy averages kickoffs 5 yards into the endzone. I saw more than a couple kickoffs that either hit the back of the endzone or came damn close to it. I'm 110% for taking two kickers on game day.

Drafting a kicker was a wasted pick.

* This is no camp cupcake. There's hitting all over the place. There are the occasional fights and throwdowns. There just isn't tackling to the point of bringing players to the ground, though that happens on occasion.

Wade doesnt know what he's doing.

* I've been in the "Scandrick camp" for awhile. I think he certainly performed better than Jenkins last year. I was quite worried about Jenkins as a legit long-term player. Sure he has the talent, but does he have the brains? Not too worried currently. He's taken a major leap forward in my opinion. To be honest, he looked much better than Scandrick and that's saying a lot. He should and will be the starter opposite Newman, based on what I've seen. What's more, Jenkins was all over the place against the run. I think he has a chip on his shoulder from the "incident" and is looking to prove himself in that regard.

Jenkins was a wasted pick and is already a bust. We should just release him now because of that one bad play last yr.

* Martellus Bennett and the two tight end sets. This has been written about quite a bit, but I'll emphasize that we're going to see a whole slew of 2-TE sets (50+% of the offensive snaps). And we're not talking about your typical 2-TE set with an H-back in the backfield or a "max protect" formation. I'm talking, both tight ends lined up out wide as recievers. Or Bennett out wide with Witten or another receiver in the slot. You can motion both of these guys anywhere on the field and they're threats. Bennett looks as much like a receiver as he does a TE. But he's probably one of the best blockers on the team. There was one play where he was lined up out wide and one of the backs caught a swing pass behind him and Bennett just completely pancaked the cornerback and was looking for another person to block -- God bless the safety that was his next target.

It was stupid to use a 2nd rd pick on another TE, especially after we gave away Fasano for nothing.

* Don't expect much from the rookie linebackers. They may eventually develop, but I've seen some hype building based off media reports but I didn't see squat that warranted any excitement with any of them.

Wasted picks, we needed a backup NT

* There were a number of times we lined Felix out wide to either fake or run an end around. This should be fun.

You must have been mistaken, according to most Garrett is a boob with only 3 plays in the playbook. He would never think of something like this.

* DeAngelo Smith was out working before every practice catching punts. If I recall correctly he had some nifty moves as a punt returner in college and may try and force himself into that position here.

Wasted pick, we should have kept Pac Trash Jones and his 4.5yds per punt return.

* McBriar practiced all sorts of punts -- corner, long, high/short, etc. But when he was punting long he was consistently getting the ball 65+ yards.

He's injury prone too.

* I didn't hear Tony yell "kill, kill, kill" one time. This is a good thing.

Garrett has told him to save that for week one.

* It may come as a shock, but Rudy Carpenter will NOT make this team. Dude is teh suXX0rs.

How can we possibly consider cutting Clint Stoerner II? We will surely rue the day.

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Mike Mickens is a player. I was absolutely not watching for the guy at all -- didn't know his number and couldn't pick him out from a crowd -- and he just kept popping out at me. He had more PDs/INTs of anyone I saw on defense. I knew his number by the end of the weekend.

I read a post that says he is slow and gets beat constantly, therefore he is a bust.

* Two guys I noticed most often in the backfield were Spencer and Ratliff. Spencer is ready to go. He may not reach 12 sacks, but I couldn't care less because he's stout against the run and is INFINITELY better against the pass than Ellis. The guy can glue to Witten or Bennett pretty well. He had a handful of PDs in drills, etc. Ratliff is Ratliff. He's fast and strong and should have another fantastic season.

Spencer is a trouble maker who is injury prone. Oh, and he's a bust.

* Outside of our top 4 receivers, the only one that even has a remote chance of making the team is Kevin Ogletree. Romo seems to like him as a target. Heck, all of the QBs did, probably because he gets open and has good hands. Give him another season to gain some confidence and some strength and he'll be a legit receiver.

We should have traded every draft pick for the next 3 seasons to acquire Crabtree, that would have solved all our problems.

* Miles Austin. I've already said a good bit over the weekend about my feelings re: Miles Austin. I think the guy could be our #1 if need be. He looks that good. I think he'll get at least 700 yards this season. He's always open. Every play. Whether it's squatting in a hole in zone coverage or a go route. Whatever it is, the guy is open and catches the ball. Romo loves him as a target. In 11 on 11s, he may be the receiver with the most targets, catches and yards.

Jones and co were just stupid to pin the seasons hopes on an undrafted WR. There's no possible way Austin will amount to anything here.

* Martellus Bennett is still Martellus Bennett. He's a complete clown. At one point he was pulling a "Rowdy" by getting two sets of crowds competing to cheer louder than the other. He ran out of the tunnel this morning throwing candy from his hat to the fans. I have pictures of him doing the Karate Kid crane kick. He's just the class clown. That's him and always will be. Luckily, he can perform on the field or else that sort of personality would wear thin quickly.

See above Bennett note.

* The emphasis on special teams is remarkable. Obviously the team opens each camp with S/T, but the amount of time spent is abnormal, I think. And nearly every assistant coach is involved. If we're not improved significantly in special teams, then something is just wrong.

Again, Wade is a fool and doesnt have a clue. No reason to expect any improvement whatsoever.

* Newman looks healthy and fast. <-- this would be a "not so controversial" opinion

Dont even get me started on him. He clearly is an injury prone, middle of the pack CB. One of the most overrated players in football, easily.
 

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dbair1967;2864657 said:
theogt;2864546 said:
After reading so many other wonderful threads and seeing so many expert opinions, I just had to do this:



Barber is overpaid, Jones is injury prone and can only do 7 reps and Choice was only succesful against all those great defenses because teams overlooked him.



Carpenter is a bust, there is no possible way he will get better. Ever.



Drafting a kicker was a wasted pick.



Wade doesnt know what he's doing.



Jenkins was a wasted pick and is already a bust. We should just release him now because of that one bad play last yr.



It was stupid to use a 2nd rd pick on another TE, especially after we gave away Fasano for nothing.



Wasted picks, we needed a backup NT



You must have been mistaken, according to most Garrett is a boob with only 3 plays in the playbook. He would never think of something like this.



Wasted pick, we should have kept Pac Trash Jones and his 4.5yds per punt return.



He's injury prone too.



Garrett has told him to save that for week one.



How can we possibly consider cutting Clint Stoerner II? We will surely rue the day.

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I read a post that says he is slow and gets beat constantly, therefore he is a bust.



Spencer is a trouble maker who is injury prone. Oh, and he's a bust.



We should have traded every draft pick for the next 3 seasons to acquire Crabtree, that would have solved all our problems.



Jones and co were just stupid to pin the seasons hopes on an undrafted WR. There's no possible way Austin will amount to anything here.



See above Bennett note.



Again, Wade is a fool and doesnt have a clue. No reason to expect any improvement whatsoever.



Dont even get me started on him. He clearly is an injury prone, middle of the pack CB. One of the most overrated players in football, easily.

That could have posted by a dozen or more of our "everything about the Cowboys is wrong' club.... nicely done:bow: :laugh2:
 

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If Barbie comes around I will be elated! I can't wait to see him come game time. I hope what you saw translates when the bullets start flying during the preseason.

Overall great report and thanks for sharing.
 

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dbair1967;2864657 said:
After reading so many other wonderful threads and seeing so many expert opinions, I just had to do this:



Barber is overpaid, Jones is injury prone and can only do 7 reps and Choice was only succesful against all those great defenses because teams overlooked him.



Carpenter is a bust, there is no possible way he will get better. Ever.



Drafting a kicker was a wasted pick.



Wade doesnt know what he's doing.



Jenkins was a wasted pick and is already a bust. We should just release him now because of that one bad play last yr.



It was stupid to use a 2nd rd pick on another TE, especially after we gave away Fasano for nothing.



Wasted picks, we needed a backup NT



You must have been mistaken, according to most Garrett is a boob with only 3 plays in the playbook. He would never think of something like this.



Wasted pick, we should have kept Pac Trash Jones and his 4.5yds per punt return.



He's injury prone too.



Garrett has told him to save that for week one.



How can we possibly consider cutting Clint Stoerner II? We will surely rue the day.

*

I read a post that says he is slow and gets beat constantly, therefore he is a bust.



Spencer is a trouble maker who is injury prone. Oh, and he's a bust.



We should have traded every draft pick for the next 3 seasons to acquire Crabtree, that would have solved all our problems.



Jones and co were just stupid to pin the seasons hopes on an undrafted WR. There's no possible way Austin will amount to anything here.



See above Bennett note.



Again, Wade is a fool and doesnt have a clue. No reason to expect any improvement whatsoever.



Dont even get me started on him. He clearly is an injury prone, middle of the pack CB. One of the most overrated players in football, easily.


:laugh2::bow:

Wonder how many on the Eeyore club were ready to agree with you before they read it better.
 

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Thanx very much for this, Theo. It's one of the best reports I've seen from camp. I like the opinions and the observations. Excellent work and much appreciated.
 

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theogt;2864546 said:
* Mike Mickens is a player. I was absolutely not watching for the guy at all -- didn't know his number and couldn't pick him out from a crowd -- and he just kept popping out at me. He had more PDs/INTs of anyone I saw on defense. I knew his number by the end of the weekend.

I like this Mickens guy too, but the only thing I'm worried about with him being on the field is that you can't disguise what he is going to do. He can't play man coverage. He is strickly zone. Now, he appears to be a major ball hawk while in zone, but his man skills are $(@#! (slow, loses the ball hawk skills if he isn't watching the QB/ball)
 

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With all of that said, I am thoroughly convinced that Felix Jones should be the starter and the feature back in this offense. He should have *at least* 200 touches this season -- rushing. Add on another 40+ receiving. This guy is truly amazing and is far and away the best running back that we have.


I wish I could've sent you this future quote when he was drafted.
 

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Theogt,

Thank you for your observations - always appreciated.

Let keep in perspective that Dallas is not even one week into camp. Everybody's different with differing learning curves. Let's give some of the rookies some time to develop. If Ware was slow coming out of the gate in 2005, then so will Butler and B.Williams.

I have always tried to stay out of people's "Camp." I am not married to anybody. The best player plays, and I don't care who it is.

Case in point, 12th round draft pick Larry Brown was in the starting lineup earlier in his rookie season (1991), than 1st round pick Kevin Smith (1992).
 

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fascinating to see all the different perspectives...was reading somewhere how unimpressive Mickens was...now you call him a player.

And no mention of Butler?

Good to hear Carpeneter is playing well.
 

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I've been out of town and out of the loop. This post just got my Monday morning pulse going BIG TIME.
I'm excited with what they're doing with the backs and TEs in the receiving game. And if the WRs step up, then the combination of all of our potential receiving options should actually upgrade us from last season.
Obviously, this again all boils down to how well that OLine plays and stays healthy.
And yes, if Felix keeps going late in FFB drafts, I'm all over him.
 

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I will clear it up for you.
lostinomiya;2864771 said:
fascinating to see all the different perspectives...was reading somewhere how unimpressive Mickens was...now you call him a player.
Mickens is great in zone, but has big issues playing man. He is too slow to handle man coverage. He is a big time ball hawk while watching the QB, but loses it when attempting to play man. (gets burned alot)
lostinomiya;2864771 said:
And no mention of Butler?
Nothing much to say. He is showing his abilities, but he is raw and won't see any time on the defense this year. If he gets on the field, it will be special teams.
lostinomiya;2864771 said:
Good to hear Carpeneter is playing well.
He does this every year in training camp. The question is, can he do it in the regular season. The jury is still out. If he can't do it this year, the Cowboys will let him walk.
 

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CATCH17;2864735 said:
I wish I could've sent you this future quote when he was drafted.
:laugh2:

I know, right? Mea culpa. I had a thread saying that "Jerry is an idiot" for drafting the guy.

Hey, I can admit when I'm wrong. And I was dead wrong.
 

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theogt;2864800 said:
:laugh2:

I know, right? Mea culpa. I had a thread saying that "Jerry is an idiot" for drafting the guy.

Hey, I can admit when I'm wrong. And I was dead wrong.

Look, your right for a change! :laugh2:
 

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Bobby Carpenter is like me in football: I wasn't very good, but I'd be the best guy in practice because I'd always go 100%. Problem is, when everyone else would go from 80%->100% in games, I'd still be stuck at the same practice level.

Yea, so don't get too excited about him just yet.
 

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lostinomiya;2864771 said:
And no mention of Butler?
I mentioned the rookie LBs in general.

Temo;2864819 said:
Bobby Carpenter is like me in football: I wasn't very good, but I'd be the best guy in practice because I'd always go 100%. Problem is, when everyone else would go from 80%->100% in games, I'd still be stuck at the same practice level.

Yea, so don't get too excited about him just yet.
I agree totally that this can happen. We just have to hope it crosses over to the real games.
 

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Thanks for the post Theo. That was a great deal to read about the weekend. I'm hoping that we turn out to be pretty darn good in all those areas.

I'd love to see Bobby finally put it together and start to become a real player for us this year. That would be a real nice, bonus suprise, for the season.
 

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theogt;2864823 said:
I mentioned the rookie LBs in general.

that was kind of my point...many other recaps had him as one of the rookies who impressed but for you (albeit in 3 practices) he did not catch your eye.
 
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