There is absolutely no way you bring this same team back

Sydla

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Alright ***** what you want me to own up to?
Be honest.

Dak just is a nice QB. He's not great. He is great at racking up stats on bad teams (and the Eagles) but when the rubber hits the road in big games and post season, more often than not, he comes up small. I have no idea why. Maybe he is limited. Maybe he presses too much.

But facts are, this guy is paid like an elite QB but doesn't really play like an elite QB when the team needs him most. While some fans' criticism of him can and has been over the top, the fans that point out that he's likely not a guy that can take you to a SB are probably way closer to being accurate than guys like you who constantly make excuses for him.

That's what you should probably own up to.
 

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If you are Bobby Wagner why would you come here? He went back home to Seattle. He'd rather lose in Seattle than lose in Dallas and I don't blame him at least he's at home there.
I agree it goes both ways but Dallas is afraid to even threaten to outbid teams on difference makers in FA
 

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Blow it up....ok retool it.

The idea that once you tear it down it will take years to rebuild is an outdated stance especially after I just saw the Packers and Texans move forward this offseason. Got further than we did by bringing the same team back.
It will take at least 2-3 years to rebuild this team. The cap implications of blowing it up alone, will make it tough.

Jerry is in his 80s. Who knows how much time he has left. There is zero chance he'd commit to a total rebuild at this time.
 

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Be honest.

Dak just is a nice QB. He's not great. He is great at racking up stats on bad teams (and the Eagles) but when the rubber hits the road in big games and post season, more often than not, he comes up small. I have no idea why. Maybe he is limited. Maybe he presses too much.

But facts are, this guy is paid like an elite QB but doesn't really play like an elite QB when the team needs him most. While some fans' criticism of him can and has been over the top, the fans that point out that he's likely not a guy that can take you to a SB are probably way closer to being accurate than guys like you who constantly make excuses for him.

That's what you should probably own up to.
Why should I have to own up to that if I don't agree with it lol?

He is paid the same amount as Daniel Jones.

I've never once said he was great.

My stance on Dak has been he's a top 10 QB. You guys get triggered anytime someone defends Dak. I'm the same guy who defends Micah, same guy who defended Lamb when guys tried to argue me down he wasn't a #1....I defend the whole team...I defend the defense.....no I Told You So's on the defense. No I told You So's on Pollard....no...I gotta own up to my opinion that Dak is a top 10 QB. So what he's top 11? Top 12?
 

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What minor changes could've been done?
That’s what I mean. You either blow it up or keep it going with the same group. Which has the better outlook? It’s easy to say “do this and we’re the best team” but that’s not a realistic expectation

How about preparing your team
The difference is Philadelphia’s issues aren’t roster building, they have a track record of it being successful. Their issue isn’t culture, the last 25 years have been far and away the best in franchise history. It’s not the owner, it’s not the GM; while flawed; they’ve proven multiple times to be able to flip a disappointing situation in a single offseason. Philadelphia has a clear problem with the coordinators we hired that we can attempt to solve in the offseason.

What is Dallas’ obvious solution? Changing coaches has repeatedly led to very similar results. Romo to Dak has led to very similar results. Lots of All-Pros, few All-Pros, still the same. How do you fix that? In the past, It has been Jerry. It’s Jerry today, it’s Jerry tomorrow, and we’ll be having an identical conversation this time next year just as we did last year.
 

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u can if ur name is jerry jones and u think ur always right and that mccarthy is a great coach and dak is a franchise qb
 

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It will take at least 2-3 years to rebuild this team. The cap implications of blowing it up alone, will make it tough.

Jerry is in his 80s. Who knows how much time he has left. There is zero chance he'd commit to a total rebuild at this time.
Ok I'm saying retool it. Tear some of it down.

Jerry is 80 and has 3 SB rings....Hall of Fame Jacket......and billions. Seems to be at premium health for a guy his age. Retool it. I mean honestly he should step down and move out the way but I know that won't happen.
 

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That’s what I mean. You either blow it up or keep it going with the same group. Which has the better outlook? It’s easy to say “do this and we’re the best team” but that’s not a realistic expectation


The difference is Philadelphia’s issues aren’t roster building, they have a track record of it being successful. Their issue isn’t culture, the last 25 years have been far and away the best in franchise history. We have a clear problem that we can attempt to solve in the offseason.

What is Dallas’ obvious solution? Changing coaches has repeatedly led to very similar results. Romo to Dak has led to very similar results. Lots of All-Pros, few All-Pros, still the same. How do you fix that? In the past, It has been Jerry. It’s Jerry today, it’s Jerry tomorrow, and we’ll be having an identical conversation this time next year just as we did last year.
Philadelphia's; issues aren't roster building? Have you seen your linebackers lol? Or defense?
 

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Philadelphia's; issues aren't roster building? Have you seen your linebackers lol? Or defense?
Yes, I’ve seen roughly the same talent that was playing in the Super Bowl be put into an inferior scheme and fail. And if the talent isn’t up to par, I’ve seen Howie fix worse in a single offseason.

We’ve seen this ending time and time again in Dallas, and we’ve never seen Jerry fix it.
 

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Just by nature of contracts and free agency the team will be much different next year. If you make big time wholesale changes like the coaching staff? There’s a real argument for that as well. Quinn may be gone anyways and some assistants with him- the question then becomes is that enough for Jerry to sell us on bring MM back?

I think that’s the direction that’s most likely things go, new coordinators, new players on roster and a lot less big time changes than you’d like. I’m not saying I agree but I just think Jerry is gonna sell us on 3 12 win seasons again which tbh I was totally fine with as long as the team advanced to the division round at minimum.

A loss this bad makes a big time change at head coach more than justified imo. This is worse than niner losses the last few years. We were outclassed by a 7 seed
 

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Why should I have to own up to that if I don't agree with it lol?

He is paid the same amount as Daniel Jones.

I've never once said he was great.

My stance on Dak has been he's a top 10 QB. You guys get triggered anytime someone defends Dak. I'm the same guy who defends Micah, same guy who defended Lamb when guys tried to argue me down he wasn't a #1....I defend the whole team...I defend the defense.....no I Told You So's on the defense. No I told You So's on Pollard....no...I gotta own up to my opinion that Dak is a top 10 QB. So what he's top 11? Top 12?
But that's the point. How can he be a Top 10 QB when he CONSTANTLY spits the bit in the big games? Great QBs, at some point, play great when the team needs them most.

Dak does not. It's kind of amazing that some of you still don't get this concept.
 

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You could've made the argument had they made it to the NFC Championship.....maybe even if they won today and lost next week. But there is no argument for you to bring this same team back and quite frankly, you could argue you should probably rebuild or retool it. No way in hell you can bring it back. There's no argument for it. Especially after the 49ers smack them up next week it will just be further proof how far away your product is.
Well we do agree on not bringing this team back but now what? I think you fire McCarthy AND Quinn! I've known Dak isn't the answer but I was little naive hoping this defense would come around and play better. I hate Quinns idea of playing all those oversize safeties as undersized LBs.
Not using Parsons as a true MLB has caused teams to take over the middle of the field. And those moving up to stop the run leaves an opening behind them. It's like everyone on this defense is dumb and not being coached. This team is never prepared for big games.
 

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That’s what I mean. You either blow it up or keep it going with the same group. Which has the better outlook? It’s easy to say “do this and we’re the best team” but that’s not a realistic expectation


The difference is Philadelphia’s issues aren’t roster building, they have a track record of it being successful. Their issue isn’t culture, the last 25 years have been far and away the best in franchise history. It’s not the owner, it’s not the GM; while flawed; they’ve proven multiple times to be able to flip a disappointing situation in a single offseason. Philadelphia has a clear problem with the coordinators we hired that we can attempt to solve in the offseason.

What is Dallas’ obvious solution? Changing coaches has repeatedly led to very similar results. Romo to Dak has led to very similar results. Lots of All-Pros, few All-Pros, still the same. How do you fix that? In the past, It has been Jerry. It’s Jerry today, it’s Jerry tomorrow, and we’ll be having an identical conversation this time next year just as we did last year.

Dude, you got roster issues. To say you don't is laughable.

Your back seven might be one of the worst 8-10 in football. Howie went cheap at S and LB and it has clearly hurt them.
 

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Yes, I’ve seen roughly the same talent that was playing in the Super Bowl be put into an inferior scheme and fail. And if the talent isn’t up to par, I’ve seen Howie fix worse in a single offseason.

We’ve seen this ending time and time again in Dallas, and we’ve never seen Jerry fix it.
Stop.

Your LBs are worse this year. Your Ss are worse. Howie went cheap and they counted too much on rookies like Dean, who were middle round picks for a reason.

I get it, you Eagles fans think Howie walks on water but the Eagles' problems weren't just tied to coordinators. You had clear roster holes.
 
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