There is only ONE condition where trading J.Jones makes sense.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

This whole J.Jones argument is idiotic. Those who can take or leave him prefer Dallas trades him to hopefully -- Hopefully? -- draft someone better. And thos who like him will defend keeping him at all -- All? -- costs.

Me personally, I like the player, but I'm not "in love" with him at RB, because his position can be upgraded; that's because J.Jones has yet to prove he's more than a journeyman - for real! But he's not bad, and we do need a 1-2 punch at RB, as Barber -whom I like also - has flaws that the 1-2 punch can mask.

For me Barber is more valuable because of the power running style he can bring to short yardage and goal-line situations. And I prefer him to J.Jones because Barber, although he is slower overall, he hits the hole faster and harder.

But Barber still needs that "other" RB to support and complement his game. And right now, J.Jones fits the bill. So, I would only trade J.Jones (in a heartbeat) under this one condition: and that is if I know that I can upgrade his position with a better RB, either in the draft or free agency

I would not just trade J.Jones for a pick in the hopes that I can draft another RB just as good. It better be stronger than blind hope! So if I'm Dallas and I have another RB in my sights that I prefer - either in the draft or free agency - that I can get if I trade J.Jones, well then, and only then, would I trade J.Jones for the player. I would even be for the trade if Dallas can land a comparable free agent RB, and use the pick they get for J.Jones on a better-level player at another position.

Hey, this is not about loving or hating J.Jones; it's just business, so long as it's smart business – and J.Jones isn’t that good that trading him can’t be smart business!

So the question then becomes: waht players -dtraft or free agency - are out there that Dallas can realistically land by trading J.Jones and, in turn, manage to upgrade the position by? This is what we should be debating.

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[GimmeTheBall!]

This whole J.Jones argument is idiotic. Those who can take or leave him prefer Dallas trades him to hopefully -- Hopefully? -- draft someone better. And thos who like him will defend keeping him at all -- All? -- costs.

Me personally, I like the player, but I'm not "in love" with him at RB, because his position can be upgraded; that's because J.Jones has yet to prove he's more than a journeyman - for real! But he's not bad, and we do need a 1-2 punch at RB, as Barber -whom I like also - has flaws that the 1-2 punch can mask.

For me Barber is more valuable because of the power running style he can bring to short yardage and goal-line situations. And I prefer him to J.Jones because Barber, although he is slower overall, he hits the hole faster and harder.

But Barber still needs that "other" RB to support and complement his game. And right now, J.Jones fits the bill. So, I would only trade J.Jones in a heartbeat under this one condition: that is if I know Ican upgrade his position with a better player.

I would not just trade J.Jones for a pick in the hopes that I can draft another RB just as good. It better be stronger than blind hope! So if I'm Dallas and I have another RB in my sights that I prefer - either in the draft or free agency - that I can get if I trade J.Jones, well then, and only then, would I trade J.Jones for the player. I would even be for the trade if Dallas can land a comparable free agent RB, and use the pick they get for J.Jones on a better-level player at another position.

Hey, this is not about loving or hating J.Jones; it's just business, so long as it's smart business – and J.Jones isn’t that good that trading him can’t be smart business!

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Get real! If JJ looked journeyman to you, credit the beloved BP who "rested" JJ in the second part of the season. And I never recall BP ever saying anything positive about JJ, something that would turn off any good RB.

This kid JJ, with a consistent O line and starting status and consistent carries can get 1,400-1,500 yards a season.

If Jerra is dumb enough to trade him -- for what? a project in the draft? -- then he's taken some odd advice. The only thing I can think about is that WP and Jerra have high expectations for Tyson Thompson.

If anybody favors trading him, OK. Just don't call this blue-chipper a journeyman.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Get real! If JJ looked journeyman to you, credit the beloved BP who "rested" JJ in the second part of the season. And I never recall BP ever saying anything positive about JJ, something that would turn off any good RB.

This kid JJ, with a consistent O line and starting status and consistent carries can get 1,400-1,500 yards a season.

If Jerra is dumb enough to trade him -- for what? a project in the draft? -- then he's taken some odd advice. The only thing I can think about is that WP and Jerra have high expectations for Tyson Thompson.

If anybody favors trading him, OK. Just don't call this blue-chipper a journeyman.

Why are you getting all bent out of shape about me calling J.Jones a Journeyman, as if that's a bad label to have? It's not, and I never said Jones was bad; I said he is upgradable, and he IS - because he IS a journeyman until he proves otherwise. Why? Because aside from being injured too often, he went out and claimed that he would get over 1,000 yards two seasons ago, only to fall short. And on top of that, when he was offered for trade in last year's draft there were no takers. Why? Because teams don't value RBs that can't manage at least 1,000 yards. But now that J.Jones finally got his 1,000 yards, perhaps Dallas can now find someone to trade with, provide the trade would be a smart business move.

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season and then failed ot reach that mark, only to

 

[Crown Royal]

Journeyman isn't a bad word. We have a superbowl winning journeyman QB on this team.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Parcells didn't "rest" Julius, although that's what he said in the media to protect him (big meanie). Julius just lost his carries to a more productive back.

So first it was injuries, now its Bill Parcells ... wow, going into year 4, and the excuses just keep on coming. This is to go along with the endless excuses at Notre Dame why he was never an elite back even in college. Julius is the Chicago Cubs of NFL Runningbacks ... Wait Till Next Year.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Parcells didn't "rest" Julius, although that's what he said in the media to protect him (big meanie). Julius just lost his carries to a more productive back.

So first it was injuries, now its Bill Parcells ... wow, going into year 4, and the excuses just keep on coming. This is to go along with the endless excuses at Notre Dame why he was never an elite back even in college. Julius is the Chicago Cubs of NFL Runningbacks ... Wait Till Next Year.

Teams need 2 RBs. Barber shoud be the Starter; I agree that he's earned it. Behind him though, it should be J.Jones, at least for now, because he's not a bad RB, he is capable of beinmg the backup RB coming off the bench in a 1-2 punch role, and he is beeter tha Tyson Thompson. The whole "excuses" thing is less relavant than the possibility of possibly upgrading the backup RB spot. Hey I like J.Jones, but if we can upgrade the backup RB spot we should do it.

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[InmanRoshi]

So Julius is in the last year of his contract ... you would just rather let him walk for nothing next year than to get a Day 1 pick for him today, because his 4.0 ypc as a second string RB is too valuable.

 

[DBoys]

Parcells didn't "rest" Julius, although that's what he said in the media to protect him (big meanie). Julius just lost his carries to a more productive back.

So first it was injuries, now its Bill Parcells ... wow, going into year 4, and the excuses just keep on coming. This is to go along with the endless excuses at Notre Dame why he was never an elite back even in college. Julius is the Chicago Cubs of NFL Runningbacks ... Wait Till Next Year.

Give it a rest JJ was constantly getting hit in the backfield and Barber was in on 3rd downs. Barber has seen full time action before and he didn't do anything with our OL either.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

So Julius is in the last year of his contract ... you would just rather let him walk for nothing next year than to get a Day 1 pick for him today, because his 4.0 ypc as a second string RB is too valuable.

I see your point, but don't discount the fact that Dallas has a good chance to make a serious run at the Super Bowl next season. We''l need a solid backup RB to do that and that's much more important than planning for the year after. Getting a day-1 pick in this year's draft for J.Jones only makes sense if it can land you a draftee who is as good or better than J.Jones at RB --- or if it can land you someone as good or better than J.Jones at another position, provided you can use free agency to fill the backup RB spot. Yes planing for the future is important, but not at the expense of compromizing next year's run at the prize.

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[InmanRoshi]

Give it a rest JJ was constantly getting hit in the backfield and Barber was in on 3rd downs. Barber has seen full time action before and he didn't do anything with our OL either.

Sweeet. Its the OL's fault now.

Injuries
Head Coach
Game Plan
OL

Gotcha.

Almost identical to Julius' lengthy excuse list in college, except you could throw academics in.

Wait till next year. He'll prove all the naysayer's wrong. Just like he was last year. And the year before that. And the year before that. And the year before that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Give it a rest JJ was constantly getting hit in the backfield and Barber was in on 3rd downs. Barber has seen full time action before and he didn't do anything with our OL either.

This is garbage his YPC on first and second down was like 4.9. Barber wasnt exactly playing against prevents in the red zone either.

As for Jones, he needed to have his carries limited because it was pretty evident that he was avoiding contact and running scared out there. he gets dinged up and doesnt like getting hit. It is what it is. Criticizing Parcells for seeing what Jones is is nothing bad.

Give him 10 carries a game and hell be an excellent cog in this offense. Give him 20 and he breaks down or gets injured. ** is right on the money when he says we shouldnt just get rid of him but seeing him as anything other than a 10 carries a game guy is jsut as silly.

Juliius as a change of pace back is a very valuable commodity and it took 2.5 seasons to figure it out. it should be no surprise that he had his resurgence at the end of the season after Parcells 'rested' him. Use him between the twenties and limit his carries is all that i ask.

 

[DBoys]

Sweeet. Its the OL's fault now.

Injuries
Head Coach
Game Plan
OL

Gotcha.

Almost identical to Julius' lengthy excuse list in college, except you could throw academics in.

Wait till next year. He'll prove all the naysayer's wrong. Just like he was last year. And the year before that. And the year before that. And the year before that.

Keep up the whining, mocking, thats real beneficial.

 

[DBoys]

This is garbage his YPC on first and second down was like 4.9. Barber wasnt exactly playing against prevents in the red zone either.

Who had 4.9? Be a little more clear.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who had 4.9? Be a little more clear.

Barber did.

 

[DBoys]

Barber did.

What kind of offense were we in run or pass?

How many 1st and 2nd down attempts did Barber have?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What kind of offense were we in run or pass?

How many 1st and 2nd down attempts did Barber have?

Youre the one spouting off about how Barber was gaining all of his yards on 3rd nad 35 and you provided zero to back it up yet you come at me with this tripe?

First down is normally a run down and he also was our goalline back. Ill just let you mull that over and if you still dont get it come back to me.

 

[DBoys]

Barber was given the freedom to be versatile. The defense never knew what we were going to do when Barber was in there. When JJ was in there they knew exactly what was coming. To stop JJ teams stacked the box. Whenever JJ was used in the passing game he was far more effective because of his speed.

Irony is I think their roles should of been reversed last year.

Be interesting to see what Phillips does with them.

 

[DBoys]

Youre the one spouting off about how Barber was gaining all of his yards on 3rd nad 35 and you provided zero to back it up yet you come at me with this tripe?

First down is normally a run down and he also was our goalline back. Ill just let you mull that over and if you still dont get it come back to me.

Why you getting mad it was a simple question. He had 4.9 with how many attempts it is a valid question. Barber did get a lot of his yards on 3rd down. Correct me if I was wrong but Barber was our 3rd down back right? It was later on in the year he did our goaline.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Barber was given the freedom to be versatile. The defense never knew what we were going to do when Barber was in there. When JJ was in there they knew exactly what was coming. To stop JJ teams stacked the box. Whenever JJ was used in the passing game he was far more effective because of his speed.

Irony is I think their roles should of been reversed last year.

Be interesting to see what Phillips does with them.

You have no idea what Barber was given nor what Jones was given.

And if you think that teams were stacking the box with Owens and Glenn out wide then you just need to put the pipe down and go to bed. Youre going back to the Barber got all of his yards of 3rd and 35 but Jones played againts 11 in the box argument and just trying to put it in a different disguise.

Jones sucked for the second half after being lights out the first. Jones comes out and is lights out then gets hurt. Noticing a trend here?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why you getting mad it was a simple question. He had 4.9 with how many attempts it is a valid question. Barber did get a lot of his yards on 3rd down. Correct me if I was wrong but Barber was our 3rd down back right? It was later on in the year he did our goaline.

Im not mad. People misinterpret disgust with anger. It truly isnt the same thing.

My point is that it is hypocritical of you to ask for specific, empirical evidence when the only leg you have to stand on is your anecdotal he got all of his carries on third down.

Barber had 97 carries on first and second down. He had only 34 carries on third. That kind of blows everything up for you now doesnt it?

He also scored TDs in four out the first 6 games so your anecdote about him not being our goalline back at the beggining of the year is also bad.