TheSport78's Mock 2.0

[dantheman41]

I just like his character, upside and the measurables. Maybe he didn't fit the scheme at LSU very well?

I agree. He's not as bad as people say on here or make u believe. He is excellent in zone coverage. Not great in man to man. Played single high safety a lot in college and was very good. Especially in 2011

 

[dantheman41]

Totally agree with this. I would love the pick in the 2nd round. If he's not there, I would go DL in the 2nd and look for Philip Thomas in the 3rd or J.J. Wilcox in the 4th.

Not a fan of Philip Thomas. Thought I would love him after reading scouting reports on him. He can't tackle a lick. Misses so many tackles! I don't care how many plays on ball or interceptions he makes when he's such a liability against the run

 

[supercowboy8]

Not a fan of Philip Thomas. Thought I would love him after reading scouting reports on him. He can't tackle a lick. Misses so many tackles! I don't care how many plays on ball or interceptions he makes when he's such a liability against the run

the same way I feel about Rambo

 

[TheSport78]

Not a fan of Philip Thomas. Thought I would love him after reading scouting reports on him. He can't tackle a lick. Misses so many tackles! I don't care how many plays on ball or interceptions he makes when he's such a liability against the run

You're right, he definitely has tackling issues. I think Church is a solid tackler and a hard worker, but the Cowboys need that smart, rangy safety who can play single-high coverage and bring a physical presence to the secondary. I think Reid is that guy.

 

[Szczepanik]

I don't think Reid is there that late in the second for us. I feel that one team will pick a safety early, and a run of them will go in the late first.

=(

Hopefully im wrong and Elam, Reid, Cyprien, and Rambo are options for us.

 

[IAmLegend]

Great mock. Would have no quarrels if it turned out this way.

 

[Macnalty]

Here's the thing. Every year right before the draft I post a thread asking for people to select 15-20 players they feel are most likely to get drafted by the Cowboys. Every year the best anyone gets is 1 or 2 players correct.

You think you know but you don't know. And neither do I.

Oh my goodness Risen you are talking about the "wisdom of crowds", and how the group is more insightful than the individual. Welcome to Y2k and predictive analysis, we will make an stat guy out of you before 2015.
The need for diversity within a crowd to ensure enough variance in approach, thought process, and private information is well documented in the zone.
Trades are the wild card in this system, if that trade did not occur I do believe we would of seen some seriously close predictions.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I want Matt Elam.

 

[Hoofbite]

Here's the thing. Every year right before the draft I post a thread asking for people to select 15-20 players they feel are most likely to get drafted by the Cowboys. Every year the best anyone gets is 1 or 2 players correct.

You think you know but you don't know. And neither do I.

I know. I'm just sworn to secrecy.

 

[TheSport78]

I don't think Reid is there that late in the second for us. I feel that one team will pick a safety early, and a run of them will go in the late first.

=(

Hopefully im wrong and Elam, Reid, Cyprien, and Rambo are options for us.

I get the feeling that the Cowboys want Eric Reid badly. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded up in the 2nd to get him.

I want Matt Elam.

The thing that bothers me about Elam is that he didn't play a lot of single-high safety at Florida so I don't know how he would fit in Kiffin's scheme. He actually played a decent amount in the slot.

His size and tackling style scares me a little as well.

 

[Eddie]

I wouldn't bank on Cooper or Warmack or any OG in the 1st round.

Expect one of the top DT's to fall. That'll be our pick.

 

[TheSport78]

I wouldn't bank on Cooper or Warmack or any OG in the 1st round.

Expect one of the top DT's to fall. That'll be our pick.

You don't think they'll be available or is it because you think the team values DL over OL?

OL is a serious consideration in the 1st round if Warmack or Cooper are on the board at #18, and I think they would take the guard over the DT.

 

[Risen Star]

I know. I'm just sworn to secrecy.

You willing to be my anonymous source?

 

[Fansince64]

You don't think they'll be available or is it because you think the team values DL over OL?

OL is a serious consideration in the 1st round if Warmack or Cooper are on the board at #18, and I think they would take the guard over the DT.

IMO it doesn't matter whether they are still available or not, Jerry won't select them because he believes a solid OL (possibly outside of Left Tackle) can be constructed using low round draft picks and UDFAs. Unfortunately for us, Jimmy reinforced Jerry's beliefs by doing exactly that - putting together a solid to very good OL using other teams cast-offs, low round picks and UDFA pickups. Now Jerry believes he can do the same thing (since, after all, he is a "FOOTBALL GUY").

I hope I am completely wrong, but based on Jerry's beliefs and his comments since the season ended I don't believe we will draft OL high. Remember these comments:
1. Just after the season ended, his comments about how the line was playing very well the last few games of the season.
2. A couple of weeks later him commenting that the only thing this line needed was some health and some time to play together to be very good (his description).
3. Right after that him saying the coaches had told him that Free's problems were not talent related but were all technique related (and thus can be coached away).
4. Who can forget Jerry's masterpiece - Romo is the best in the NFL at avoiding free rushers (again, Jerry's words) and that what he needs are "more targets" and not better O linemen.

I hope I am totally wrong but I am absolutely convinced we will not draft OL before the 4th round. Even then, it will probably be a projection type player from a small school (anybody remember Arkin) who we will hear great things about during OTAs and early training camp. Then when it becomes obvious to everyone that he is not capable of playing effectively right now, we will get the spin that after a year or two of NFL weight rooms and NFL style nutrition he will be a stud.

And next year at this time we will be sitting here projecting the Cowboys to pick OL high in the draft because it is obvious (just like in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013) we need help there.


Monte Sliger

 

[TheSport78]

IMO it doesn't matter whether they are still available or not, Jerry won't select them because he believes a solid OL (possibly outside of Left Tackle) can be constructed using low round draft picks and UDFAs.

I hope I am totally wrong but I am absolutely convinced we will not draft OL before the 4th round. Even then, it will probably be a projection type player from a small school (anybody remember Arkin) who we will hear great things about during OTAs and early training camp. Then when it becomes obvious to everyone that he is not capable of playing effectively right now, we will get the spin that after a year or two of NFL weight rooms and NFL style nutrition he will be a stud.

Monte Sliger

Bold #1- Then why were the Cowboys set on selecting Max Unger in the 2nd round in 2009, and Mike Iupati in the 1st round in 2010? Your statement IMO is way too generalized and not true.

Bold #2- I'm pretty sure you will be totally wrong.

 

[ghst187]

I'd take it.
Congrats to me on my 5000th post

 

[TheSport78]

I'd take it.
Congrats to me on my 5000th post

:beer2:

 

[Fansince64]

Bold #1- Then why were the Cowboys set on selecting Max Unger in the 2nd round in 2009, and Mike Iupati in the 1st round in 2010? Your statement IMO is way too generalized and not true.

Bold #2- I'm pretty sure you will be totally wrong.

I agree that they appeared set to take Unger in the 2nd round in 2009 but wonder if Jerry would have actually pulled the trigger if Unger was still on the board and the same trade down opportunity was available - remember, after trading a 1st and a 3rd for Roy, Jerry was talking non stop before the draft about trading down to acquire more picks. Maybe he would have, I certainly can't say with any certainty he would not have drafted Unger and we would have been so much better off today had we done so. As for Iupati in 2010, I do not believe he was rated above Dez (in Jerry's mind, anyway). If Dez was off the board and Iupati or Pouncy had been available, it would have been interesting to see what Jerry would have done. This (Iupati or Pouncy) was my wish in 2010.

As for #2, I certainly hope you are right but based on Jerry's comments which I outlined, I am afraid you are going to wake up from your dream the evening of April 27th to find we are still living in the same nightmare.

If Jerry proves me wrong and drafts 1 or 2 OL in the first 3 or 4 rounds, I will gladly admit I was wrong and praise Jerry for doing what everyone believes is the right thing to do.


Monte Sliger

 

[TheSport78]

I agree that they appeared set to take Unger in the 2nd round in 2009 but wonder if Jerry would have actually pulled the trigger if Unger was still on the board and the same trade down opportunity was available - remember, after trading a 1st and a 3rd for Roy, Jerry was talking non stop before the draft about trading down to acquire more picks. Maybe he would have, I certainly can't say with any certainty he would not have drafted Unger and we would have been so much better off today had we done so. As for Iupati in 2010, I do not believe he was rated above Dez (in Jerry's mind, anyway). If Dez was off the board and Iupati or Pouncy had been available, it would have been interesting to see what Jerry would have done. This (Iupati or Pouncy) was my wish in 2010.

As for #2, I certainly hope you are right but based on Jerry's comments which I outlined, I am afraid you are going to wake up from your dream the evening of April 27th to find we are still living in the same nightmare.

If Jerry proves me wrong and drafts 1 or 2 OL in the first 3 or 4 rounds, I will gladly admit I was wrong and praise Jerry for doing what everyone believes is the right thing to do.


Monte Sliger

They would have taken Unger if Seattle hadn't traded up in front of us. It's been confirmed by numerous sources since then.

I'm willing to bet my life savings that there will be an OL taken in the first 4 rounds.

 

[Risen Star]

They would have taken Unger if Seattle hadn't traded up in front of us. It's been confirmed by numerous sources since then.

I'm willing to bet my life savings that there will be an OL taken in the first 4 rounds.

Agreed. There is simply no way that I believe we will ignore our board and refuse to take an OL until late in the draft.