They cannot make the Lamb mistake again

[Diehardblues]

Coach was spot on. Jethro selected Lamb cause it was a no miss pick .

Instead of addressing key weaknesses which might not have been as glaringly successful on the surface.

But in the end didn’t make us a better team.

 

[CouchCoach]

Actually we are a fantasy team that has the best PR arm in the NFL. Which is why every year we are contending for SB titles on paper. It's also why I never understand why people get mad at Stephen A Smith for his views, year he's a ****** but if you stop and think, is he really wrong about this organization?

LMAO, when you get together with all your buds for the draft, Booger is the one always talking smack and hasn't won jack. Every fantasy I was ever in had at least one of those guys.

 

[silver]

We can't make the Taco Charlton mistake again either. Take the best available player. Commanders took Chase Young when everybody said they needed Justin Herbert and so far the immediate results is they made the playoffs and the Chargers didn't.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Celebrating our failure to be right is quite another issue.

Sure he is a troll. But he is absolutely right about this team. The culture here has ensured that this team can never be counted to actually fail when effort is needed. Look at yesterday, it was a must win game and they couldn't even get up for that. When it happens one year it's an anomaly, when it has happened over and over again that's basically who your team is.

 

[Sydla]

Yes, it was a mistake because it was all for flash and splash while bobbing around on the ocean, it was a pick for applause. It was all luxury for a team deep in needs.

The case some make is the value of Lamb at 17. Was he not a value at 16, 15, 14, 13? Why did those GM's pass on him? Because they're GM's with their jobs on the line to improve the team, not take a bow for a draft pick.

Another case is what D player was worth that pick? Chaisson? The answer is any D player that could help the worst D in the league and worst in Cowboys history. He didn't have to be a world beater, just a player they could count on to be 1 of the 11.

1 of 11. How many do they have now? If they'd used that on a D player, might they be closer than they are now? And what if he doesn't work out? Then they'd know and keep going back to the well.

I saw all of the celebrating here when they took Lamb and few asking why was he available? Partly because most GM's were trying to fill needs and partly because they didn't have him at 6th on their board.

He was the Cowboys first pick and led them in drops and was 2nd in the league in drops but his fans here will make excuses for him. And WR is the most plentiful position in the league.

This draft should be the easiest for the Cowboys, if they go D as they should have last year. Their needs are plenty and the only position they don't need with that first pick is DE.

The Lamb pick was a mistake and I had 0 doubt about that then or now. However, my greatest doubt about this team remains the same, they're just not good at talent evaluation and compound that by doubling down on some of their selections because they look at it from an ego standpoint. If it is mine, it must be good.

Lamb? No thank you, give me the beef!

Poor logic. He was the best player on the board, by far. You don't pass that up.

Your claim that any defender we would have picked at 17 would have helped is completely misguided. Chaisson would have provided very little this year to help this D, for example.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

we have Jarwin who we handed a contract to. we have schultz he turned into a top 10 TE in the league based on his performance....now you want to be 3 deep at TE and 4 deep at WR? and three deep at RB? but 0 deep at DT, 0 deep at saftey, 1 deep at DB, 2 deep at DE and 1 deep at LB..... how does that make sense?

I responded to which players would start for us. That is more talented. Not who I would draft. Pitts would be better than Jarwin and Schultz. The OSU RB would be better than Zeke. Davonte Smith and Waddle would be better than Gallup.

I honestly would not complain if the Cowboys drafted Pitts in the first, best CB in the 2nd, and RB Trey Sermon in the 3rd. No idea where Sermon will go yet. Maybe 3rd is too high or too low. More than ready to move on fro Zeke.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes, it was a mistake because it was all for flash and splash while bobbing around on the ocean, it was a pick for applause. It was all luxury for a team deep in needs.

The case some make is the value of Lamb at 17. Was he not a value at 16, 15, 14, 13? Why did those GM's pass on him? Because they're GM's with their jobs on the line to improve the team, not take a bow for a draft pick.

Another case is what D player was worth that pick? Chaisson? The answer is any D player that could help the worst D in the league and worst in Cowboys history. He didn't have to be a world beater, just a player they could count on to be 1 of the 11.

1 of 11. How many do they have now? If they'd used that on a D player, might they be closer than they are now? And what if he doesn't work out? Then they'd know and keep going back to the well.

I saw all of the celebrating here when they took Lamb and few asking why was he available? Partly because most GM's were trying to fill needs and partly because they didn't have him at 6th on their board.

He was the Cowboys first pick and led them in drops and was 2nd in the league in drops but his fans here will make excuses for him. And WR is the most plentiful position in the league.

This draft should be the easiest for the Cowboys, if they go D as they should have last year. Their needs are plenty and the only position they don't need with that first pick is DE.

The Lamb pick was a mistake and I had 0 doubt about that then or now. However, my greatest doubt about this team remains the same, they're just not good at talent evaluation and compound that by doubling down on some of their selections because they look at it from an ego standpoint. If it is mine, it must be good.

Lamb? No thank you, give me the beef!

I 100% agree with you.. But.. Lamb was the best player by a mile at that point.

So as much as I hate spending all of these resources on wideouts I think it was the right pick for where we were.

 

[Diehardblues]

No we didn't, but no other player was gonna make a difference this year.

But could have been another key piece moving forward as we continue to build a better defense.

And if our FA moves on DL had panned out (one did with Alden the other didn’t with injury) with a first round pick in secondary for example to team up with our 2nd round pick we might have seen some impact.

Lamb was a safe pick to acquire talent but a luxury a #1 offense didn’t need with so many needs on defense unless we have plans to let Cooper or Gallup go.

 

[atlantacowboy]

We picked Taco for need. How did that workout?
I agree with picking for need in general, but if you strongly believe the player available at your pick, who my not be a top need, is the best value by far, like CD, you take him.

Taco was also a misevaluation. I think TJ Watt was the next guy on our board but Marinelli liked Taco better.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Poor logic. He was the best player on the board

Doubt it. This is why you evaluate talent and don't simply look at who ESPN tells you is the best player available.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I 100% agree with you.. But.. Lamb was the best player by a mile at that point.

So as much as I hate spending all of these resources on wideouts I think it was the right pick for where we were.

That was debatable. We liked Lamb , some teams liked Ruggs, while other liked Jefferson. There were no shortage of WRs in the last draft. Lamb was the next guy on our board, but you can't make that pick unless you don't have any other gaping holes.

 

[Diehardblues]

I 100% agree with you.. But.. Lamb was the best player by a mile at that point.

So as much as I hate spending all of these resources on wideouts I think it was the right pick for where we were.

No one is arguing Lamb was the most talented at that slot. But it wasn’t a top position of need . Would we have drafted a QB or RB if they are the most talented at that slot?

We had a need for a slot receiver not a WR1. Which could have found in later rounds.

 

[CouchCoach]

No we didn't, but no other player was gonna make a difference this year.

And they didn't take a step toward fixing the glaring problem on the team.

The difference between Booger and the other GM's is that they question why a player is falling, what do others know or suspect that I do not know, and his eyes light up. Flash and splash.

I agree, there were so many problems with this roster, no one player, even Chase Young, was going to make a difference on the TEAM and that is the goal and that is the problem with this brain trust, they do not have a team concept.

 

[Sydla]

Doubt it. This is why you evaluate talent and don't simply look at who ESPN tells you is the best player available.

Trust you or trust the various beat guys who said they were stunned Lamb was still on the board when he slid to 17?

 

[Parcells4Life]

By what metric? Certainly we haven't been a top 3 team in any of the last 10 years. A guy that uses Parcels as their avatar should know that "you are what your record says you are"........

From @Jipper cowboys are 2nd best team last 10 years

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019

 

[atlantacowboy]

We can't make the Taco Charlton mistake again either. Take the best available player. Commanders took Chase Young when everybody said they needed Justin Herbert and so far the immediate results is they made the playoffs and the Chargers didn't.

They needed both positions. They went with the higher rated one. Nothing wrong with that....... that wasn't the situation with us and CD.

 

[Diehardblues]

And they didn't take a step toward fixing the glaring problem on the team.

The difference between Booger and the other GM's is that they question why a player is falling, what do others know or suspect that I do not know, and his eyes light up. Flash and splash.

I agree, there were so many problems with this roster, no one player, even Chase Young, was going to make a difference on the TEAM and that is the goal and that is the problem with this brain trust, they do not have a team concept.

Not only do they not have a team concept but they only plan for year to year with no vision beyond the year coming up.

 

[Ranching]

I don't know how anyone doesn't like having Ceedee on the team....and I hate OU!

 

[Sydla]

No one is arguing Lamb was the most talented at that slot. But it wasn’t a top position of need . Would we have drafted a QB or RB if they are the most talented at that slot?

We had a need for a slot receiver not a WR1. Which could have found in later rounds.

You draft by need in that situation guess what? You are more likely to end up with a Taco Charlton.

The Cowboys had a top 10 grade on Lamb, if I recall. There was no decision to be made there. You take the Lamb if you have him graded that high and he's sitting there, needs aside. I suspect if they had Lamb rated the same as say Chaisson, they would have taken the DE.

 

[jterrell]

Ooh. Excuses.
Jefferson is clearly the better WR right now.
Sorry. He just is. Jefferson was the best player at that pick and his incredible rookie season proves that.
But, but, but Dak!!! LOL.
Yeah, I guess CD would have some more garbage time yards from “Stats” if he hadn’t broken his ankle.
Too bad CD dropped that pass WIDE OPEN with just a minute to go in the game yesterday.....
But he’s the best WR though....
LOL

Not sure what point you are trying to make?
CeeDee was easily the top rated player on DAL board.
They needed a WR3 and got one that immediately provided return.

Jefferson has been great but he's also WR2 and got more targets in MINN.
Jeudy/CeeDee were 1 and 2 on most boards at WR.

I do believe you can get a WR in round 3 of basically any draft but they got a walk in starter who filled a need thus no reason to Dallas to be anything but happy with Lamb.