They cannot make the Lamb mistake again

[Parcells4Life]

This is why I was never on Team Tank. We wouldn't know what to do with the #1 pick. I hate Jerry.

Except the team has been among the top 3 in the league in drafting the last 10 years. But let that narrative keep going for you.

 

[Verdict]

I happen to subscribe to Parcells theory of the draft, does not matter where a player is picked. Only that you get the players you need.

They could have traded down or even out of the 1st and taken Diggs and more D players.

After the draft, I ask myself one question. Did they address the problems well enough? The answer was a resounding no which is why I didn't think they'd do any better than 2019, they didn't begin to fix the D and the FA haul was a freaking joke.

CL, this team let the two best players on the D walk and had the #1 O, they NEED a WR?

If you draft bad players at positions of need, you still have the same positions of need.

Draft strictly for talent and fill in holes in free agency. Let the draft come to you.

 

[CouchCoach]

This thread is a major fail. My God this take is bad.

That's all you got? How about why it's a bad take?

 

[Bobhaze]

Yes, it was a mistake because it was all for flash and splash while bobbing around on the ocean, it was a pick for applause. It was all luxury for a team deep in needs.

The case some make is the value of Lamb at 17. Was he not a value at 16, 15, 14, 13? Why did those GM's pass on him? Because they're GM's with their jobs on the line to improve the team, not take a bow for a draft pick.

Another case is what D player was worth that pick? Chaisson? The answer is any D player that could help the worst D in the league and worst in Cowboys history. He didn't have to be a world beater, just a player they could count on to be 1 of the 11.

1 of 11. How many do they have now? If they'd used that on a D player, might they be closer than they are now? And what if he doesn't work out? Then they'd know and keep going back to the well.

I saw all of the celebrating here when they took Lamb and few asking why was he available? Partly because most GM's were trying to fill needs and partly because they didn't have him at 6th on their board.

He was the Cowboys first pick and led them in drops and was 2nd in the league in drops but his fans here will make excuses for him. And WR is the most plentiful position in the league.

This draft should be the easiest for the Cowboys, if they go D as they should have last year. Their needs are plenty and the only position they don't need with that first pick is DE.

The Lamb pick was a mistake and I had 0 doubt about that then or now. However, my greatest doubt about this team remains the same, they're just not good at talent evaluation and compound that by doubling down on some of their selections because they look at it from an ego standpoint. If it is mine, it must be good.

Lamb? No thank you, give me the beef!

When you combine the Lamb pick last year with the Amari Cooper trade for a 2019 first round pick, we essentially drafted WRs in the first round in back to back drafts. The problem isn’t that Cooper or Lamb aren’t talented. The problem is a fundamental misunderstanding at the top of this organization about how to build a roster.

Lamb is a super talented player no doubt. It’s just that his talent (as well as Cooper and Gallup) is squandered because their defense is so untalented and inept, it cancels out the value of having loads of talent at WR. TEAMS WIN, not individual players. That simple truth has escaped the Jones cartel for nearly three decades.

 

[CouchCoach]

Using this line of thinking, you would pass on the next Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady and draft Taco Charleton. I am sorry, but this line of thinking, is irrational, and I am trying my best to be very kind when I use the word irrational.

We picked for need on Taco and now we don't have a player at any position to show for that pick, and still have a hole on the DL. I will agree with you that you build a team starting in the trenches, but the player has to BE THERE in order to draft him. Otherwise you draft Taco or Rob Pettetti in the first round.

This is such a tired narrative. WE HAVE INVESTED HEAVILY ON DEFENSE. WE HAVE JUST CHOSEN POORLY.

You are comparing a QB to a DE? And teams passed on Brady for 5 full rounds.

 

[Verdict]

Jury is out on Chaisson so far but he did show improvement as the season wore on.

What you are talking about is reaching for a specific need, not addressing them. What D position didn't this team need? When do they address that? Answer, later.

BPA is a myth unless a team has no needs because the off season is all about addressing that and improving. Did the Cowboys improve with Lamb?

Yes. The Cowboys improved with Lamb. LOL.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Using this line of thinking, you would pass on the next Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady and draft Taco Charleton. I am sorry, but this line of thinking, is irrational, and I am trying my best to be very kind when I use the word irrational.

We picked for need on Taco and now we don't have a player at any position to show for that pick, and still have a hole on the DL. I will agree with you that you build a team starting in the trenches, but the player has to BE THERE in order to draft him. Otherwise you draft Taco or Rob Pettetti in the first round.

This is such a tired narrative. WE HAVE INVESTED HEAVILY ON DEFENSE. WE HAVE JUST CHOSEN POORLY.

A couple 3-4 years ago we were saying the same thing. I went down the list with the draft positions. People were surprised.

Turns out it wasn't the number of drafts nor their draft position. It was the results. They just had to have something flashy to blame.
Of course not every spot is gonna me a smash. Not even the #1. But....You should still be able to draft adeptly at 10, 20 or 30.

 

[Verdict]

When you combine the Lamb pick last year with the Amari Cooper trade for a 2019 first round pick, we essentially drafted WRs in the first round in back to back drafts. The problem isn’t that Cooper or Lamb aren’t talented. The problem is a fundamental misunderstanding at the top of this organization about how to build a roster.

Lamb is a super talented player no doubt. It’s just that his talent (as well as Cooper and Gallup) is squandered because their defense is so untalented and inept, it cancels out the value of having loads of talent at WR. TEAMS WIN, not individual players. That simple truth has escaped the Jones cartel for nearly three decades.

The problem wasn't drafting Lamb, or trading for Cooper. The problem is that we seem to be spending draft picks on defense that haven't turned out so well.

 

[HanD]

i think you can draft for need if the talent levels and evaluations are close for players; but in the case of lamb, he was head and shoulders better and in a tier above who they had left on the defensive board. You can't draft solely for need when talent is available. drafting lesser players for need is a mistake imo.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

@CouchCoach Did you even look up the stats of the defensive players taken before Lamb before posting? I highly doubt it. You should. Diggs was one of the best performing defensive players taken in the draft. Too bad he missed 7 games with a broken leg just when he was coming on strongest.

 

[Jkyle]

I agree......but why did he pick lamb? it meant jersey sales and more money directly to Jerry's pockets....

I want 11 defensive players picked this year. I don't care if we don't pick one offensive player.....given this FO defensive draft performance, the one way to solve it is to throw numbers at it and increase the odds of them hitting on a couple of good ones....

Dumbest Post response of the year so far!
Your reasoning for the team/Jerry picking him is ********. Lamb was the Top Player on their Draft board so that's why they did it. You, as a Genius GM, would rather reach for a Defensive player just because you needed one?

 

[Verdict]

After 1 year? I havent paud attention but he seems like a dawg in college so I think he'll improve next year

The jury is still out, but I think Chaisson was WAY overdrafted.

 

[HanD]

The problem wasn't drafting Lamb, or trading for Cooper. The problem is that we seem to be spending draft picks on defense that haven't turned out so well.

yep. this is a non issue if we take watt over charlton. drafting for specific scheme need is also a mistake when you think someone else is more talented and you have them rated higher.

 

[Typhus]

Lamb was taken to sell jerseys and give Dak another weapon so our offense would increase Jerry's revenue. Not a good pick at all.

lol,,, Lamb was taken because he is Hopkins, Fitzgerald type of talent that cant be passed on when it falls in your lap.
If Dallas would have done anything else on that day it would have been an epic failure,, I was proud that they listened to their draft staff for once.
The failure to evaluate top end talent is a failure,, drafting elite talent like CD is a win all day, and hopefully for a decade.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I happen to subscribe to Parcells theory of the draft, does not matter where a player is picked. Only that you get the players you need.

They could have traded down or even out of the 1st and taken Diggs and more D players.

After the draft, I ask myself one question. Did they address the problems well enough? The answer was a resounding no which is why I didn't think they'd do any better than 2019, they didn't begin to fix the D and the FA haul was a freaking joke.

CL, this team let the two best players on the D walk and had the #1 O, they NEED a WR?

Bingo. The problem in Dallas begins with poor off season evaluations.

 

[kevm3]

What defender was there for us to draft in the 1st round that would have improved the team? I'm sorry, but I'm taking the BPA. We missed out on Watt because we took the 'better scheme fit'.

The REAL problem is that the only player that stuck from free agency was a project player who hadn't been in the league for like 5 years. Whoever is in charge of free agency is the one that needs to be looked at, but that's impossible since we have a FO where there is no clear separation of duties and no real accountability. Is Stephen and Jerry running FO or Will McClay or someone else?

 

[CouchCoach]

If you draft bad players at positions of need, you still have the same positions of need.

Draft strictly for talent and fill in holes in free agency. Let the draft come to you.

Please tell me one time you've seen this with the Cowboys? I think they let that 2009 draft come to them and then watch it leave football.

Let's all start from the same point. Every observation, every suggestion that I make is with one principle in mind. This brain trust is irregular so I must first think of a way around their own proclivities and that takes all of us down the irrational road like hoping your team loses to get better because you don't trust the team builders.

You cannot apply fundamental football thinking to this franchise. And you cannot apply BPA because they're deciding who that is.

 

[G2]

Lamb was the best player and it's a miracle he was there when we picked. It makes no sense to use a draft pick on a player that has less of an impact. It's up to the staff to fill areas of need through Free Agency.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Who would you have taken who could have been as equal of an impact
Chaisson sure hasn’t been so far
Lamb was the right move
Passing a much more talented player to fill a need is why much of the top 10 teams picking each year remain the same for years

We picked Taco for need. How did that workout?
I agree with picking for need in general, but if you strongly believe the player available at your pick, who my not be a top need, is the best value by far, like CD, you take him.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Go look at the last draft. We could have drafted a slot wr in round 3. ....... or better yet, found a cheap veteran free agent.

CD was not a pick that moved the team forward or addressed a real need.

For that you need people who are competent running the front office. Instead we have nepotism central.