They just blew the Dez rule in the JAX vs NYG game

sbark

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They got the call right in GB. Hate the rule but it was called right. By all logic it should be a catch. But the rule is what it is. Grown ups realize this ain't no conspiracy. Good lord. If the NFL wanted to conspire, we'd be advancing as we get amazing ratings.

your opinion, it just differs from the G.Bay CB at the scene, and the NFL Ref making the call............biggest thing that sticks in my craw was the On the Field call/ Ref judgement stands unless undisputable evidence to overturn............it shouldn't be another opinion that then overturns the on-the field opinion.......that opens up the Instant Replay to all kinds of problems and questions to the integrity of the NFL
 

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They got the call right in GB. Hate the rule but it was called right. By all logic it should be a catch. But the rule is what it is. Grown ups realize this ain't no conspiracy. Good lord. If the NFL wanted to conspire, we'd be advancing as we get amazing ratings.
So you feel that it is irrefutable that he was not lunging. I don't think that's a reasonable position, but under the rule that's what you'd have to believe. Either that or you believe that certain lunges are a football move and certain lunges are not, but I assure the rule doesn't address what lunges are not football moves.
 

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He clearly has possession and at least one foot down in this frame. He then gets two more feet down before getting tackled.

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If you look at the next frame of this you see the ball slip down and he re-grips it and then holds it in his right arm.
 

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Hate the rule but it was called right.
If you hated the old rule, get ready for the new one.

The old rule said that a football move completes the catch process; the new rule says being "upright long enough" completes the catch process.
 

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So you feel that it is irrefutable that he was not lunging. I don't think that's a reasonable position, but under the rule that's what you'd have to believe. Either that or you believe that certain lunges are a football move and certain lunges are not, but I assure the rule doesn't address what lunges are not football moves.

People keep saying football move. But you've gotta be running after a catch to lunge. "Football move" is a dumb term that can't be operationalized.

I hate the outcome. Was sick for days. But see it as the right call given a bad but tough to address rule.
 

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your opinion, it just differs from the G.Bay CB at the scene, and the NFL Ref making the call............biggest thing that sticks in my craw was the On the Field call/ Ref judgement stands unless undisputable evidence to overturn............it shouldn't be another opinion that then overturns the on-the field opinion.......that opens up the Instant Replay to all kinds of problems and questions to the integrity of the NFL

Gee. The GB cb. Real student if the game. That's your go to source?

Elevate your arguments or just stay on the sideline sister
 

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I know it isn't the rule, but to me it is about "going to the ground"

If they are tackled or tripped it should be two feet or a knee down before losing possession.

If they leave their feet and go to the ground on their own to make the catch then they have to maintain throughout.

Dez and this own are catches.
 

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People keep saying football move. But you've gotta be running after a catch to lunge. "Football move" is a dumb term that can't be operationalized.

I hate the outcome. Was sick for days. But see it as the right call given a bad but tough to address rule.
You clearly don't understand the rule.

I don't care to explain it to you but you can read this:

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/the-...e-rewritten-merge.326133/page-28#post-6209754

Pertinent part:

Then there is case book play 8.12 from the last Official NFL Case Book: This case book includes 8.9 as well, but of course joefrl has not read it, he only used the few examples in the Rule Book and not all possible scenarios where Item 1 is used.

8.12 says a player catches the ball in 2 hands and lands on 1 foot, is contacted by the defender which causes him to go to the ground, after starting to the ground he gets a 2nd foot down, he then braces himself with his right arm and pushes off his 2nd foot down and lunges for the end zone. Ruling COMPLETED CATCH. This case play is important for three reasons. One, it establishes that the A-C process still applies to a player going to the ground. Two, that the A-C process does not have to occur before the fall starts. Three, the play is almost identical to what happened in GB. In fact the differences in GB make it even more of a catch. Unlike the case play Dez landed on two feet, so at that point both A and B were met. At that point Dez turns his body toward the end zone and takes a step. This is critical because a turn and step establish part C. But it does not end there, Dez also switches the ball from two hands to one. A player still catching a ball will not do that will they? No, that also establishes part C. From this point the Dez play mirrors the case play with an arm down to brace and a lunge toward the goal line, again completing the A-C catch process and making Item 1 moot.
It may be more cathartic to you to simply tell yourself "well gosh that's just the rule and it's a tough break", but that doesn't make it so.
 
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theogt

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If you look at the next frame of this you see the ball slip down and he re-grips it and then holds it in his right arm.
A player is permitted to shift the ball to a new position without being considered as having lost control. He did not lose control of the ball until he was down after contact.
 

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I hate the outcome. Was sick for days. But see it as the right call given the fact that the NFL couldn't give us any call that was remotely close because of the backlash from the previous game

Fixed it for you.
 

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Clearly a catch by any rules.

There are none so blind as the zebra who refuses to see. - ancient African proverb
 

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People keep saying football move. But you've gotta be running after a catch to lunge. "Football move" is a dumb term that can't be operationalized.

I hate the outcome. Was sick for days. But see it as the right call given a bad but tough to address rule.

you have to be running to lunge??? uh, I just did a lunge in my living room....wasnt even running.
 

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It's a catch. But, so was Dez's. Simple to see and the rule book explains why both were catches. Again, there is nothing in the rule that said you had to 'advance it far enough' which is what Blandino claimed. He just made up the rule.





YR
 

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This was clearly a catch and my guess is that every play like it will probably be ruled a catch from here on out because the precedent has been set. Everyone in the universe knows Dez caught that ball, whether they'll admit it or not, and nobody wants to look and sound as utterly stupid as Dean Blandino.
 

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It's a catch. But, so was Dez's. Simple to see and the rule book explains why both were catches. Again, there is nothing in the rule that said you had to 'advance it far enough' which is what Blandino claimed. He just made up the rule.





YR

Even simplifying this arguement even more....the ball never clearly hit the ground. So therefore all of the other conversation is not needed.
 
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