Things I'm Officially Tired Of

[wileedog]

Cmon, below the belt blow. You know that NONE of us probably thought that Campo was ever the solution. (Can you say puppet?)

I know, but I had to do it

How about Danny White? Everywhere White has been a coach he has done well, to my limited knowledge. He is a Dallas Cowboy.

How about Charlie Waters on the coaching staff?

I would still rather stay with Parcells for one more year than go for a completely off the wall gamble like these guys.

I know that people want a proven coach, and I understand that, but isn't it good to be a forward thinker sometimes?

It depends how close you think the team is to reaching the next level.

I know some have decided that we will be forever 9-7 under Parcells, I just don't subscribe to that. Unless you show me someone like Cowher who is a proven better coach at this point, I don't see the need to take 4 steps back in the hopes that eventually we can take 1 step forward.

I mean all these names we are so in love with, many of them weren't even on our radar screen until the last 5 years. SOMEONE took the chance with them, and THEN they became "old pros".

Most of the teams who took those chances were not playoff teams with an established coach under contract.

This years 'superstar' new coaches, Payton and Mangini, both took over bad teams in need of glutting. Again, I don't think that applies to this team just yet.

I might be in the minority, but I want a Dallas Cowboys guy, someone who really appreciates our history, someone who WANTS to be here, and NOT JUST FOR MONEY.

Maybe I'm a dreamer, but that is a "positive" thought to me.

I want a good coach. I think we have a good GM who hasn't done his best coaching job lately, but I still rate him over a lot of guys. I'm not really concerned if their favorite team is the Giants or the Cardinals, I just want him to do a good job.

Again, I don't see a compelling alternative to push Parcells out the door for with this team, and I'm willing to give this 3-4 one more year to work under him. If it doesn't work (or even if it does), there's a good chance we can make a run at Cowher next year, which is EXACTLY the type of hire Jerry is looking for for his new stadium.

Yes, a Steelers coach of all things....

 

[5Stars]

How would anyone like to work 24/7 for a whole football season without any vacations, time offs, and with the strain of the whole city of Dallas and their fans...the stress of trying to compete in the NFL, AND be ageing at the same time...and then make a decision a few days after it's over wether to remain or leave?

People need a time out once in awhile...you don't make decisions on the spur of the moment like that, because once you make it you might realize that it was a mistake weather it is to stay or leave...

Patience...hate Parcells or like him, but, give him a break and some time to clear his head and make a decision...

You ever come home from a bad day at work and say, "That's it...I'm outta here"! because you are so mad or tired? Then after a good nights sleep and some pondering you realize that it was a good thing that you did not up and leave...

Try multiplying that times 100! That's probably what a coache's stress is like...

And, everyone wants him to tell us NOW!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Everyone's entitled to their feelings and opinions so long as they present them well.

So i guess you set the standard for opinions being well presented?

I see, Mr. Arbiter of well-presented opinions.

 

[gbrittain]

Which is why he played him almost all of pre-season.

Good call.

So he thought Romo was better but started Bledsoe anyway?

 

[superpunk]

Like I said I still give him credit for finding Romo, but it was not act of brilliance that put him in the starters position is all I am saying. It was not some sort of BP materplan. Again, I give full credit to BP for holding onto Romo and developing him for as long as he did, I just do not think that it was masterful that he brought him in when he did. If you think so that is your right, I do not.

As far as TO goes you tell me if that was JJ or BP? I am not saying that my opinion is right, but it is the opinion that most believe to be right.

I did not say he totally stumbled onto an offense either. I am just alluding to the two biggest contributors this year. There is always Terry Glenn, Jason Witten, JJ, MBIII, Crayton and a few others.

Regardless, luck does play a part of it. Jimmy hoodwinked the Vikings. As some have said it is better to be lucky than good sometimes.

We can beat around the bush all we want, but BP still has not done a good job since he came on board. We are better now than with Campo. If he were to quit today that will be his claim to fame as a Cowboys coach.

You can think if Parcells can just have one more year then he will finally live up to expectations. You may be right, but you could very well be dead wrong just as I could.

He let Bledsoe play his way out. That's all you can ask for. There was a theory floated that Bill wanted Romo to take the job in preseason, and that's why he got the time, but Bledsoe played too darn good. And that's not a decision Bill could make in a vacuum. Bledsoe was well-liked. Benching him when he had performed every bit as well as Romo could have upset the team. As it was, he did it when he had to, and it worked. He's been the plan and looks like the future and we have Parcells to thank for that.

For some reason in the second year of the 3-4 we got worse. Newman's comments about Bowles, and Zimmer being a 4-3 guy who retreats (unwisely) into a cover 2 whenever the pressure is on makes me think this regime needs one more year to make the strides on defense that they made on offense in just one year.

 

[superpunk]

So i guess you set the standard for opinions being well presented?

I see, Mr. Arbiter of well-presented opinions.

Thanks for understanding.

Good talk.

 

[wileedog]

So he thought Romo was better but started Bledsoe anyway?

He thought Romo could take the job but he went with the veteran. Jerry spent too much money this offseason to risk it on a 1st year starter. Think about it - when the switch was made, who was the most disappointed?

Bill has been making veiled comments about Romo for 2 years, and you don't give him the playing time he did in pre-season if you don't see him taking over at some point.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Thanks for understanding.

Good talk.

 

[gbrittain]

He thought Romo could take the job but he went with the veteran. Jerry spent too much money this offseason to risk it on a 1st year starter. Think about it - when the switch was made, who was the most disappointed?

Bill has been making veiled comments about Romo for 2 years, and you don't give him the playing time he did in pre-season if you don't see him taking over at some point.

Oh, I agree 100 percent that Romo was going to takeover at some point, but clearly they did not want it to be this year. They felt that their best chance was with Bledsoe. I think it would be kind of hard to dispute that.

If I am wrong then I am wrong, but I think a much more gutsy and brilliant move would have been to start Romo from the get go.

It was painfully obvious to almost all that the team was going no where fast with Bledsoe and subsequently Romo was named the starter.

This is not an indictment on what BP thought Romo could be long term. He obviously saw something in the guy and I do not dispute that. The credit goes to BP for that.

 

[DipChit]

I just dont see the evidence where keeping him around is advantageous.

We havent been getting progressively better..not in a W/L's kind of way. And certainly the wheels came off near the end on both sides of the ball really. Not like we finished "strong". It's one thing to have not done that in '05.. but now we say it again.

About the only aspect of the team I see benefitting from him stayin is the QB position. I'm not sure it would be good at this point to have Romo go into a new system.

Yeah we can talk about the roster being better as a whole but that doesnt mean much.. the coach has to get it out of them.

And I dont really subscribe to the theory that we'd likely go backwards if we dont choose the right guy. Thats all well and good when a team has already proven some things and you're trying to keep from messing up.. because you usually would be able to suggest that the coach was a big part of it.

We havent proven anything on the field yet.

I think almost anyone not related to Dave Campo or Rich Kotite would stand to get us to as many wins or even more next year as BP does. Thats not meant as an indictment of BP as much as it's just the nature of things in the NFL anymore.

 

[rcaldw]

He thought Romo could take the job but he went with the veteran. Jerry spent too much money this offseason to risk it on a 1st year starter. Think about it - when the switch was made, who was the most disappointed?

Bill has been making veiled comments about Romo for 2 years, and you don't give him the playing time he did in pre-season if you don't see him taking over at some point.

I think Romo was definitely on his radar screen.

The only thing I'll say about Parcells and players is that he definitely has confidence in his views (which is not surprising - I would think all coaches do), and sometimes that means that he misses on a player.

I was listening to Madden covering an Eagles game recently and he said that he was consulted about Jeff Garcia before Garcia ever came to the NFL. I think he said it was someone in the 49er's organization. The guy asked Madden to watch Garcia in practice.

Then Madden said that the guy never actually asked him his opinion after Madden took the time to watch him. Madden said it was a good thing, because he would have said that Garcia couldn't play. Madden watched him and was absolutely convinced that he just flat out couldn't play.

Madden said that Garcia was "one of the worst practice players he had ever seen."

And I really believe that there are guys like that. Not every player, of course. But there are players who are much better in games than in practice.

I think with Bill Parcells you would never find that guy. Parcells is so conservative, and so confident in his practice evaluations, that he doesn't give a guy a chance sometimes.

I know I'm reaching back here, and I know I'll get ridiculed for it, but I'm a big boy and can take it.

Here ya go: I still wonder sometimes if Drew Henson could have been that kind of player.

I can't help it, when I watched him in NFL Europe he made some pretty unusual plays in some of those games, no matter what level of competition you are playing against. He showed good mobility, made some "football plays", just stuff like throwing on the run to guys on the other side of the field for TD's, stuff like that.

Anyway, it is water under the bridge and we will never know, but I just think that Parcell's conservative ways are good in some ways, but can also limit us in other ways. Once he takes a liking to a player, the player is set. Once he doesn't, the player is pretty much finished.

Romo showed some really good things this year, I hope he builds on it next year.

 

[superpunk]

Damn, rcaldw. You had to go there, I knew you would.

I don't really have anything to say about ole' #7. I had high hopes, but if he could play he'd be playing now. You must do it in practice first.

How much of your bad opinion of Parcells do you think springs from that one player?

 

[rcaldw]

Damn, rcaldw. You had to go there, I knew you would.

I don't really have anything to say about ole' #7. I had high hopes, but if he could play he'd be playing now. You must do it in practice first.

How much of your bad opinion of Parcells do you think springs from that one player?

Honestly SP, being honest here, none.

When Parcells was hired, I had 2 emotions, and if you could talk to the people around here that discuss the Cowboys with me (meaning here in Houston), they could tell you I'm telling you the truth.

1. I was happy that Jerry Jones was FINALLY going to get a strong coach in here, not a puppet. Campo had worn us all out.

2. I was disappointed that Bill Parcells was the guy.

Why?

1. I have always disliked the "play not to lose" kind of approach to football.
2. In my opinion he always devalued the QB position.
3. It seemed to me that he was a control freak (all good coaches are to some extent), to the extreme.
4. I didn't think he would be a Cowboy at heart
5. I thought he could be stubborn and conservative to the point of hurting a team

So, when we started Vinny Testaverde for half a season that was clearly gone instead of giving our young QB's an opportunity, yes my negativity toward him kicked into gear, no denying that, but it was just the confirmation in my mind of what I already thought about him.

I would also like to add, however (and I've posted this before), that I think Parcells has mellowed some here, and has become more likeable (from a personality point of view), than I thought he would be.

 

[wileedog]

I just dont see the evidence where keeping him around is advantageous.

We havent been getting progressively better..not in a W/L's kind of way. And certainly the wheels came off near the end on both sides of the ball really. Not like we finished "strong". It's one thing to have not done that in '05.. but now we say it again.

About the only aspect of the team I see benefitting from him stayin is the QB position. I'm not sure it would be good at this point to have Romo go into a new system.

Yeah we can talk about the roster being better as a whole but that doesnt mean much.. the coach has to get it out of them.

And I dont really subscribe to the theory that we'd likely go backwards if we dont choose the right guy. Thats all well and good when a team has already proven some things and you're trying to keep from messing up.. because you usually would be able to suggest that the coach was a big part of it.

We havent proven anything on the field yet.

I think almost anyone not related to Dave Campo or Rich Kotite would stand to get us to as many wins or even more next year as BP does. Thats not meant as an indictment of BP as much as it's just the nature of things in the NFL anymore.

I respect that opinion and others that think he should go. I really do.

And if he quits tomorrow I won't cry about it.

But I also think the team is better than it was and also that key areas of the team are very, very young. Case in point are Canty and Spears, who are without a doubt my two biggest disappointments this year (other than maybe Brady). If those guys played to potential this year there is no doubt in my mind we would have been a lot better this year. Both were solid against the run most of the year, but generated zero pressure. I'm not talking sacks, but at least managing to collapse the pocket a little and take advantage of the disruption that Ware and Ellis were successful in creating.

Both will be third year players, and I wouldn't give up on either yet. And if either breaks out, along with the development of Hatcher, and we have a vastly improved defense over anything we have had here in a long long time.

Further development of Watkins will help Roy get closer to the line. A 2nd full season for Columbo and Gurode and the replacement of Rivera should help the O-line. Julius showed some flashes in the Seattle game. Fasano should have more of an impact (most TEs take a while to transition), and on and on.

This not a team of crusty old vets playing out their contracts for the most part, they are guys who can and will get better. And I think keeping them in the same system one more year will help that development. Romo too.

I understand plenty of people disagree with that, and I understand why. And again if Cohwer or someone like Fisher were available I'd jump. But given the current nature of this team I don't see the need to change just to change, and just about any move for an unproven assistant or college coach is at best a lateral one given the risks involved.

 

[gbrittain]

I respect that opinion and others that think he should go. I really do.

And if he quits tomorrow I won't cry about it.

But I also think the team is better than it was and also that key areas of the team are very, very young. Case in point are Canty and Spears, who are without a doubt my two biggest disappointments this year (other than maybe Brady). If those guys played to potential this year there is no doubt in my mind we would have been a lot better this year. Both were solid against the run most of the year, but generated zero pressure. I'm not talking sacks, but at least managing to collapse the pocket a little and take advantage of the disruption that Ware and Ellis were successful in creating.

Both will be third year players, and I wouldn't give up on either yet. And if either breaks out, along with the development of Hatcher, and we have a vastly improved defense over anything we have had here in a long long time.

Further development of Watkins will help Roy get closer to the line. A 2nd full season for Columbo and Gurode and the replacement of Rivera should help the O-line. Julius showed some flashes in the Seattle game. Fasano should have more of an impact (most TEs take a while to transition), and on and on.

This not a team of crusty old vets playing out their contracts for the most part, they are guys who can and will get better. And I think keeping them in the same system one more year will help that development. Romo too.

I understand plenty of people disagree with that, and I understand why. And again if Cohwer or someone like Fisher were available I'd jump. But given the current nature of this team I don't see the need to change just to change, and just about any move for an unproven assistant or college coach is at best a lateral one given the risks involved.

I am on the record as not preferring that BP come back to coach again next year. I too will not cry (much) if he stays, which it appears that he will stay.

The problem that I have in the depths of my own thoughts is that nothing will change between this year and next. I fully expect more of the same. I do agree with you about Spears and Canty. Both were major disappointments and them getting their act together could go a long way to helping rectify problems on the defense I suppose.

I still have issues with the way our defense was ran. I do not believe that all the blame can lay at the feet of Zimmer. Next year will be year five. If I am wrong about BP I will eat some crow gladly. I just have not seen anthing to give me hope that things will change. I would have been much more encouraged by a slow start and a fast finish. Losing five out of the last six games is very troublesome to me.

I guess the proof will be in the pudding next year. I can not envision a scenario where BP will be given another pass if we have another season like this, but I am sure some people will and some will not.

 

[wileedog]

I guess the proof will be in the pudding next year. I can not envision a scenario where BP will be given another pass if we have another season like this, but I am sure some people will and some will not.

I'll go on record now and say if Bill stays and next year ends anything like this one I will becoming a card-carrying GROP member. I have one hand on my wallet right now and my favorite crow recipe all set in the kitchen.

 

[gbrittain]

I'll go on record now and say if Bill stays and next year ends anything like this one I will becoming a card-carrying GROP member. I have one hand on my wallet right now and my favorite crow recipe all set in the kitchen.

Classic!

 

[superpunk]

I'll go on record now and say if Bill stays and next year ends anything like this one I will becoming a card-carrying GROP member. I have one hand on my wallet right now and my favorite crow recipe all set in the kitchen.

I feel the same way. My feeling (theory) right now is that everyone is completely wrong on Parcells totalitarian style, and that the coordinators have more play than any of us think. Losing Payton did wonders for the design and excitement of the offense. Zimmer's the last piece of the old school. I liked him, but there are many similarities between his 4-3 and 3-4, and I don't think it has much to do with Parcells.

Move that's gonna put us over the top? Better DE play. If that isn't fixed, cook us, and Bill, in the same pot.

One more year.

 

[DipChit]

I respect that opinion and others that think he should go. I really do.

And if he quits tomorrow I won't cry about it.

But I also think the team is better than it was and also that key areas of the team are very, very young. Case in point are Canty and Spears, who are without a doubt my two biggest disappointments this year (other than maybe Brady)

I agree with you on Spears and Canty.. huge huge disappointments.

As to the rest I'm the same way as well except in reverse maybe so to speak. If he stays I wont cry about it.

I havent ranted whenever we lose that we shoulda passed more or shoulda run more.. that the D shoulda did this or shoulda did that.

I'm just saying I'm not afraid of change just for the sake of change.

Kinda like the TO thing almost. Some said you cant bring him on board. He'll ruin the team! I'm thinking, whats there to ruin? We havent won jack in 10 years.

How many guys/units are playing at such a high level right now that "change" might owe to screwing it up if we should ask them to do something a lil different?

 

[wileedog]

How many guys/units are playing at such a high level right now that "change" might owe to screwing it up if we should ask them to do something a lil different?

I'm not worried about screwing them up so much as stalling their progress.

The pieces are there IMO, the system has worked in other places, as recently as the Jets gig. Bill's already under contract and there is nothing terribly exciting out there as an alternative. As SP said Zimm is the last of the old school to get punted, I'm willing to see if that makes a difference, because I think the one year change in personnel and coaches revitalized the offense this year.

Plus, hey, I enjoy the press conferences....