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OAM;2606110 said:
By the way. What has the OP said in this post that are not facts?

Perhaps you should check out the posting history of the "OP" you're defending... he specializes in sarcasm (which I kinda like, actually)... this results in the regulars in here tending to respond to him with similar sarcasm... in that sense, this is a Golden Rule kind of board... LOL...

Yeah, you'd do well to research the background of the principals in an argument before you go siding with anybody...
 

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MONT17;2605874 said:
the Steeler lose faneca in free agency and go to the Super Bowl... The Cowboys lose Kosier to injury and cant make the playoffs!




JuJo fans might think Kosier is overrated!

It's been pretty cold in the NY area this winter and there's been a bunch of snow. Meanwhile, Venus is really bright in the western sky.

You'd think Jessica Alba would be considering dying her hair blond again.
 

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The Steelers are a much better Coached and Mentally tougher team. however, they are going to shorten Big Ben's career if they don't fix that O-line soon.
 

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OAM;2606110 said:
By the way. What has the OP said in this post that are not facts? Faneca is not with the Steelers and they are in the SB. Fact!

Kosier went on IR this year and we missed the playoffs. Fact!

Yet this guy has said something that makes everyone who reads his post less intelligent? Insults with no purpose. Please enlighten me if what I read from the OP is not fact. This was the 2008/2009 season right? It's not cool to treat people like this for putting up a thread.
Kosier went to training camp as our starting LG. Fact!
Faneca left in the offseaon. Fact!
Pittsburg had all offseason to replace and practice the player they wanted to start at LG.....

Our better yet, Arizona aging vet starts and takes team to SB

Cowboys aging vet starts and goes 0-3......

BTW Big Ben has been sacked more than any other QB over the last 4 years, so its not the line protecting him, aw so great............
 

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Erik_H;2606237 said:
It's been pretty cold in the NY area this winter and there's been a bunch of snow. Meanwhile, Venus is really bright in the western sky.

You'd think Jessica Alba would be considering dying her hair blond again.

:bow: :lmao2:
 

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MONT17;2605874 said:
the Steeler lose faneca in free agency and go to the Super Bowl... The Cowboys lose Kosier to injury and cant make the playoffs!

They don't have one of the worst GM's in the league running their team, so I'm not too surprised.
 

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The problem is one of depth IMO. We don't have any. You can't bring in somebody off the bench and get even average production out of them and you can't pressure the starters and make them step it up when performance is tailing off. We need to have good solid backups on the OL IMO. The comparances of Pittsburgh and Dallas, other then the mind set present in the Pittsburgh locker room, is irrelivant. They have an exceptional defense and they have an offense designed to protect that strength. It's smart football. It's what Parcells tried to do in Dallas IMO. Having said that, the weakness in our OL is because we don't have quality depth in the OL unit as a whole. I will say this, Pittsburgh has been under the gun the past few seasons and they've responded. They've been in situations where they were playing for their playoff lives in week 8 and they've responded. There is something to that but the OL issue is something all together different IMO.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2606095 said:
:lmao2: That scene from Billy Madison is priceless..

I'll give you a hundred bucks for it :rolleyes:

Sorry, couldn't resist. I was just funnin'.
:laugh1:
 

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silverbear;2606177 said:
Perhaps you should check out the posting history of the "OP" you're defending... he specializes in sarcasm (which I kinda like, actually)... this results in the regulars in here tending to respond to him with similar sarcasm... in that sense, this is a Golden Rule kind of board... LOL...

Yeah, you'd do well to research the background of the principals in an argument before you go siding with anybody...

Regardless of his past posts nothing he said in this OP were incorrect facts. I'm not here to play brave soldier or play the super intellectual behind an internet screen. I just want to present the reality that we are on a Cowboy blog and all facts and rationals should deservedly be expressed here objectively, as long as they are backed by facts or outright labeled as opinions by the OP.

In regards to Jerry not spending more on players because the revenue he generates is too low, you redundantly use this point. Jerry outright said he isn't going to spend much more on player talent this season, he really shouldn't anyways. What Jerry needs to spend on is a real GM and coaching staff. Furthermore, if Jerry doesn't have an attractive product anymore then he shoots himself in the foot. You do not threaten a customer with less quality because revenue is down. If you're going to tell fans (customers) your product is not as good as the competitors all around, especially after 12 years with no playoff success and a new billion $ stadium on the horizon, you're playing with serious fire.

We can go on and on, you're entitled to if you wish and have the time, but to argue just for the sake of it is not for me. I rather agree with very good points. The bottom line is that being able to watch a game at a stadium is a luxury, not a necessity and therefore those who have the purchasing power (fans/customers) hold all the leverage. When the demand for a hard playing, focused, well coached team is out there, Jerry knows to make his money he has to supply that great demand. I respect people who support this team, I also respect those who want better results after these 12 rough years.

People who care about this team have to push this team to do better. We cannot accept nonchalant play, uninspiring coaching, lack of accountability from owner down, constant negative distractions derived from the media and the Jerry Jones created circus. I have seen training camp treated with much more attention then the closing of our legendary stadium. These players don't play as a team and sure don't play as hard as they party. Tony Romo is right, this isn't the worst thing that could happen in our lives. When I watch this team play, it reminds me of that more and more everyday. If that's the product you're going to get then why pay for this supposed luxury when it is so supposedly meaningless? I can handle losing if we played hard and were focused every game. We were not focused after week 3. It was a soft camp but this team looked focused early on. The hype peaked too early and therefore the players did also.

There are other teams that have training camp without an HBO series. There are other teams that can take a leak without having a million reports written about it. We have action on us even when a player isn't on our team anymore. Heck a guy is hitting FA, DAllas comes up. T.O and Irvin each have a T.V series now. We have clowns on YouTube rapping about Jerry Jones' money, which fans generated. Do you want this to continue? If not, what is your solution to get Jerry to change it? If he doesn't how do you suggest the mass of fans react? Are you suggesting the customer has no leverage here because Jerry Jones won't pursue more talented players when we are loaded as it is anyways and really lack structure and leadership? I would prefer you break down each of those questions and answer them as you did so generously the other posts. I really would appreciate your reflection towards those questions as I find you to be a solid fan of this team.

P.S - Insults are not necessary either. No one is "pounding their chest" or the floor, lol! My research is decent enough to talk Cowboys football also. I really would like to feel positive about this teams direction and if anyone could enlighten me I'm all for it. It has to make sense though.
 

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Q_the_man;2606618 said:
Kosier went to training camp as our starting LG. Fact!
Faneca left in the offseaon. Fact!
Pittsburg had all offseason to replace and practice the player they wanted to start at LG.....

Our better yet, Arizona aging vet starts and takes team to SB

Cowboys aging vet starts and goes 0-3......

BTW Big Ben has been sacked more than any other QB over the last 4 years, so its not the line protecting him, aw so great............

I agree on all accounts of your post except Warner. My post that you originally quoted was quoting the OP's which I thought outlined facts. Thanks for reiterating that the facts I outlined off of his post are indeed facts. As well adding some other good facts and elaborating. Now I elaborate :)

Pittsburgh's line has played like trash. They also have missed 3 different starters on an ongoing basis throughout the season due to injury. We have missed 1 starter on the line due to injury. Our line has been much better than Pittsburgh's.

We decided to keep Brad Johnson as a backup and have Tony Romo start, rightfully so starting Romo, no to keeping Brad and having no competition for Romo.

Arizona decided to make Kurt Warner, their aging vet, the starter from game 1 over their top 10 draft pick who is supposed to be the future. Whisenhunt is forcing the starting QB of that team to compete against solid talent.
 

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silverbear;2606172 said:
So you're gonna holler and beat your fists on the floor and hold your breath until you turn blue in the face...

Then you're gonna do it all over again... repeatedly, probably...

Gotcha...



And then Jerry will lack the cash flow to improve the team personnel...

Brilliant...





Uhhh, that was an observation, hardly a "threat"... but judging by your defensive reaction, it hit home...



Perhaps you mean "hypocritical and condescending"??

LOL... figures you'd be too obtuse to figure out I was mocking YOUR WORDS... or have you forgotten that you said, and I quote:



Unlike you, I welcome any and all responses, including the negative ones... indeed, sometimes I think I enjoy the negative ones more than the positive ones...



This is true, but you went considerably further than that... you went so far as to propose a boycott of Cowboys merchandise, which would have the net effect of making it tougher for Jerry to field a competitive team...

And when you go to proposing such things because you don't LIKE the way things are going, then you're one piss-poor excuse for a fan...

Think about it...



Inasmuch as I have been a Cowboys fan since their first game, and have survived FAR worse times than this, you can count on it... and if you don't want to root for "the circus", well, bye...



Where have I done that?? Show me one quote that could be construed as me ordering you around, the way you so lamely tried to do... the "don't bother responding to this" was OBVIOUSLY a sarcastic JOKE, the smiley should have tipped you off... I was mocking you...



Of course you did, and once again, I quote:



That's clearly and unequivocally telling anybody who disagrees with you not to respond to your alleged thoughts... and that little bit of arrogance is what got me to respond to you in the first place...



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... I called YOU "hoss"... which is a form of address rather like "pal", or "buddy"... inasmuch as I don't consider you a pal or a buddy, I chose "hoss"...

It's a West Texas thang, you probably wouldn't understand...

And for the record, when I refer to Hostile, it's always as "Hos"... just ask him...

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you??



And then, no wins... which leads to even more fairweather fans like you calling for boycotts, quitting on the team... and around and around and around we go...

Well, you can be a fairweather fan if you absolutely must, but don't expect me to join you... and don't expect me to respect your position...



Gee, as condescending as ordering people who disagree with you not to bother responding to you??

Oh, wait a sec, I didn't do that, YOU did...



Physician, heal thyself... I haven't often read a more completely arrogant post than the one that I initially responded to...



LOL... clearly, I am... more to the point, I'm capable of getting under your skin pretty quick when I do...

At this point, you really don't have any conception of how capable I am of making guys like you apoplectic... but keep on trying to hang with me, you'll quickly figure it out...

Boycott? Don't ever remember using that word in this thread. Lol! Hang with you? You approached me. You create implications more than solutions. Do you earn your own living yet? Is Texas the only place in the world? Do you discriminate against non Texans who you assume should know what "Hoss" means. You're a pretty aggressive insulting individual behind a computer. Then you want to talk about pounding fists on the ground and call people obtruse. I have never approached you with such ignorance and aggression. Even if you were worth it I wouldn't. Last time I respond to you or even acknowledge your existence now that I read half of your classless post. I prefer you do thesame with me. Our communication is cearly not on the same integrity level. Now comb through words and look for spelling errors.
 

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Pittsburgh averaged 3.7 yards per rush this season and produced 1690 rushing yards ranking 23rd in rushing yards. Fact.

Dallas averaged 4.3 yards per rush this season and produced 1723 rushing yards ranking 21st in rushing yards. Fact.

Pittsburgh averaged 206.3 passing yards per game, had a team passer rating of 81.9 and gave up 49 sacks(29th rank). Fact.

Dallas averaged 236.8 passing yards per game, had a team passer rating of 84.9 and gave up 31 sacks(15th rank). Fact.

Most are of the opinion that the Cowboys cannot run the ball, yet they still put up a better numbers than the Steelers.
 

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joseephuss;2607009 said:
Pittsburgh averaged 3.7 yards per rush this season and produced 1690 rushing yards ranking 23rd in rushing yards. Fact.

Dallas averaged 4.3 yards per rush this season and produced 1723 rushing yards ranking 21st in rushing yards. Fact.

Pittsburgh averaged 206.3 passing yards per game, had a team passer rating of 81.9 and gave up 49 sacks(29th rank). Fact.

Dallas averaged 236.8 passing yards per game, had a team passer rating of 84.9 and gave up 31 sacks(15th rank). Fact.

Most are of the opinion that the Cowboys cannot run the ball, yet they still put up a better numbers than the Steelers.

:bow: But the o-line and Kosier being hurt is apparently a viable excuse why we couldn't make the playoffs. Our line was far superior to the Steelers o-line. Our talent is far superior as well. However, they play as a team and their defense never gives up. That whole team is focused and plays their hearts out. Offensively they just don't have great talent. I'm not saying Mike Tomlin is this almighty HC but he's got that team focused, prepared and tough. Dick LeBeau probably is the best defensive coordinator in the league. They have an extraordinary fan following without a circus over there. Their owner is a class act and those players never walk all over the coaching staff.
 

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OAM;2606816 said:
Regardless of his past posts nothing he said in this OP were incorrect facts.

Strictly speaking, his "facts" were not incorrect, but his COMPARISON was quite bogus, for the reasons a number of us have touched on...

Yes, the Steelers were without Faneca, and are still going to the Super Bowl, and yes, the Boys were without Kosier, and stumbled badly...

But to suggest some kind of comparison between the two is ASININE, because:

1) The Steelers KNEW they were going to be without Faneca, they CHOSE not to re-sign him, while the Boys were SURPRISED by the loss of Kosier... BIG difference, to anybody capable of analytic thought...

2) The Steelers certainly aren't in the Super Bowl because of their sterling offensive line play, they're there IN SPITE of that unit's rather subpar play...

I'm not here to play brave soldier or play the super intellectual behind an internet screen. I just want to present the reality that we are on a Cowboy blog and all facts and rationals should deservedly be expressed here objectively, as long as they are backed by facts or outright labeled as opinions by the OP.

And I want to present the reality that your opinion is laughably naive... I've been on more than a few Cowboys message boards over the years, and have found that ALL of them allow for the kind of back and forth we've seen in this thread... nothing anybody has done in here runs contrary to the rules of this board...

If you don't like that, tough, that's the way it is... the truth is, this board is stricter about what can or can't be said, and I'll promise you, nobody got a PM from a mod or admin carrying either a warning or an infraction...

I know how the process works, it probably won't shock you to know that I have on occasion crossed the line and gotten an infraction... so I know, better than you do, newbie, where that line is...

And of course, when you throw around words like "objectively", that clearly demonstrates that you don't know Mont's posting history... and I'll repeat once again, if you're going to race to some poster's defense, oh protector of this forum, you'd be well advised to know that poster's history...

You do not threaten a customer with less quality because revenue is down.

He's not pointing out a thing, that's ME, pointing out REALITY... if revenue is down, cuts will have to be made... that results in a lower quality product...

In coaches, as well as in personnel...

People who care about this team have to push this team to do better. We cannot accept nonchalant play, uninspiring coaching, lack of accountability from owner down, constant negative distractions derived from the media and the Jerry Jones created circus.

ROTFLMAO... do you delude yourself that anything YOU say on a freakin' MESSAGE BOARD is gonna sway Jerry in any way, shape or form??

Get over yourself...

P.S - Insults are not necessary either.

You're the one who established the insulting tone of this dialogue, with your ARROGANT "You guys want to jump down my neck, don't waste your time."

That's what got me insulting you, your attempt to state your opinion while shutting down any negative responses, as if your take is the final say on ANYTHING... had you not said that, I probably wouldn't have responded at all, but I purely loathe that kind of arrogance...

If you put an opinion out on this message board, you're fair game for anybody who cares to disagree with you... that's how message boards work...

No one is "pounding their chest" or the floor, lol!

When you go around saying "we should all boycott Cowboys merchandise", you're doing nothing more than engaging in a childish temper tantrum... the Cowboys haven't given you the wins you crave, we should PUNISH them...

My research is decent enough to talk Cowboys football also.

It might well be, I don't know you well enough yet... this is my first time interacting with you, and what you engaged in here is hardly in-depth Cowboys talk... so I won't pass judgement on that one either way...

I really would like to feel positive about this teams direction and if anyone could enlighten me I'm all for it. It has to make sense though.

Perhaps before snarling about this team's "direction", you should wait and see what that direction IS... at this point, the offseason is only just getting started...

Now, this does not mean you shouldn't express any displeasure you might have about the team's recent past, but again, if you do so, and some posters in here disagree with you, expect them to voice that disagreement... at which point, your challenge will be to defend your position...

That's how the game is played in here, hoss... we're not gonna alter the dynamics of this board to suit your tender sensibilities, it was working just fine the way it is for years before you wandered into our midst, in fact this is the finest Cowboys forum to be found anywhere... so it's on YOU to adapt to US...
 

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OAM;2606943 said:
Boycott? Don't ever remember using that word in this thread. Lol! Hang with you? You approached me. You create implications more than solutions. Do you earn your own living yet? Is Texas the only place in the world?

Chuckle... once again, you make uninformed assumptions, and wind up looking quite silly... you see, I'm currently located in Virginia's beautiful Shenandoah Valley, and haven't lived in Texas for some 35 years plus now...

Guess you think that all Cowboys fans live in Texas-- except, apparently, you...

But I kinda think that most people know that "hoss" is a western form of greeting a stranger... if you don't, you must have lived some kind of sequestered life... you should get out more...


Do you discriminate against non Texans who you assume should know what "Hoss" means

Seems to me that it was pretty obvious who I was talking to when I first used that word, and it wasn't Hostile...I mean, I was responding to YOU, Hostile was not and is not a ny part of this thread... so it seems to me that you're just not possessed of a particularly acute sense of reading comprehension...

You're a pretty aggressive insulting individual behind a computer.

Yeah, I am... and unlike some who come online and pretend to be something they're not, I'm simply reflecting how I am in real life... which makes me enemies wherever I go, but it also makes me more than a few friends...

Then you want to talk about pounding fists on the ground and call people obtruse. I have never approached you with such ignorance and aggression.

You approached me with ignorance when you told folks in here not to bother responding to you if they disagreed... I don't make distinctions between kinds of ignorance, or levels of ignorance, if you do such things in here and it steps on my last nerve (which it did), I give you a small dose of the Bear treatment, show you how it feels...

You apparently don't like it, so I'd suggest that you think twice before you indulge in it again... this is a Golden Rule kind of board, you get back what you put out, and I always say that I'm a Golden Rule kind of bear... if you give this board respect, I'll reciprocate... but I don't respect people who go around with an attitude like "my opinions are indisputable truth, so don't bother trying to disagree"...

There's only one poster in here whose opinions are indisputable truth, and that's your friendly local Bear... :D

Last time I respond to you or even acknowledge your existence now that I read half of your classless post. I prefer you do thesame with me.

LOL... you still haven't figured out that I don't CARE what you "prefer"?? Again, with the arrogance...

As long as you post to this message board, I'll respond when I choose, how I choose... if at any time you think I've broken this forum's rules, you have the recourse of reporting the offensive post... if the mods or admins agree with you, they'll discipline me...

At this point, I'm not worried, because as I said before, I know where the line is drawn...

Our communication is cearly not on the same integrity level.

Your arrogance is hardly indicative of "integrity" on your part...


Now comb through words and look for spelling errors.

Yeah, I always get to pompous posters like you by pointing out your repetitive spelling errors... I don't do that to anybody else, just the arrogant "I'm better and smarter than the rest of you" sorts...
 

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Y'know, OAM, it suddenly occurs to me that maybe I AM being a little hard on you... it might be that you're not only a newbie to this message board, you might be a newbie to ALL message boards, and thus unfamiliar with how they work...

So to step back, and try to approach you in a bit less confrontational way, let me just say that what caused me to give you grief was your comical demand that nobody who disagrees with you should respond...

That just isn't the way it works, man... you put your opinion out there, and then we ARGUE about that opinion... if you're unwilling to deal with disagreement, then don't post your thoughts (and no, that's not me trying to get you to stop posting in here, that's kind of a generic observation, one valid for ALL of us)...

If you post something that absolutely nobody disagrees with, you must be belaboring the obvious, because we've got all kinds of people with all kinds of opinions in here...

That's all I'm trying to get across to you, in my typically sarcastic manner... now, is your mind open enough that you can accept constructive criticism, when you're approached in a less confrontational manner??
 

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The Steelers O Line was horrible all year. They won because obviously they have a big time defense with proven winners and a winning QB regardless of his stats. Im not stating anything you guys don't know already
 

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We couldn't even elvaluate Brad Johnson. What the hell makes you think we would have depth at Offensive line? LOL
 

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anj113;2607341 said:
The Steelers O Line was horrible all year. They won because obviously they have a big time defense with proven winners and a winning QB regardless of his stats. Im not stating anything you guys don't know already

:hammer:

The Bottom Line is that the Pittsburgh Steelers were a better football team than the Dallas Cowboys in 2008.

I know the OP was trying to refute claims made by some that Kyle Kosier was the primary reason this team underachieved but regardless of any of the reasons, the Steelers are in the Super Bowl and the Dallas Cowboys are sitting at home watching.
 
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