Things to remember about BP and the draft

[VThokie7]

if he likes VT so much, he might try to get Jimmy Williams. i wouldn't be mad at that. he is verstile, comes from a big school, can play ST, can play corner and FS, is a defensive player, and shows up in big games. i would mind him with a star on his helmet.

I would love to see Jimmy in a Cowboys uniform but he is going to go way before we pick. Jimmy will be a top 10 pick at corner in the draft.

 

[Bizwah]

"Just some things to keep in mind about BP's tendencies in the draft, specifically the early rounds.

-He doesn't like to take skill positions in the 1st round. Primarily WR.
-He does like to choose defensive players early
-He likes players who come from football families
-He prefers players who showed up in big games against big schools.
-He is very close with UVA headcoach Al Groh.
-He doesn't like questionable character players.
-He likes versatile players over specialists.
-He prefers players from big schools.
-He likes players with Special Teams experience. Thinks highly of VA Tech's ST program.
-He prefers defensive guys with some 3-4 experience in college, if possible. (UVA)
-He prefers leaders and team captains.
-Won't select a player who is represented by the Postons.
-Thinks smaller RBs are a big gamble. (Sproles, Griffin, etc.)"



If you are looking for an OLB with all of the above, (except for 3-4 experience), I LOVE Bobby Carpenter. He will definately go in the first round by draft time. He is big, fast, instinctive, old-school, & versatile. 6-3, 255, 4.58 speed. He can cover TEs & RBs, fill the run, & led Ohio St. in sacks this year with 10, & that was with going out of the Michigan game on the first play with a broken ankle. His stats could be even higher.

People keep talking about taking Carpenter in the second round, but that is a joke. There were several games I watched that he was the BEST LB on the field-even with A.J. Hawk playing beside him! Plus, with his versatility to put his hand down & rush the passer, I would love to hear his name called at #18! He is the perfect complement to DWare on the strong side.

What's the long-term prognosis on Carpenter?

Will his ankle be OK for mini-camps?

If it's not sufficiently healed for Pro-Days and the Combine, he could drop some.

 

[junk]

I think you are displaying the after effects of some type of halusegen.

You are the only person in the world that thinks, "Parham is superior to Brook". I mean the only person. What are you smoking?

I think there are quite a few people that have Parham higher than Brooks right now.

Maybe they are all on "halusegens".......

 

[junk]

"Just some things to keep in mind about BP's tendencies in the draft, specifically the early rounds.

-He doesn't like to take skill positions in the 1st round. Primarily WR.
-He does like to choose defensive players early
-He likes players who come from football families
-He prefers players who showed up in big games against big schools.
-He is very close with UVA headcoach Al Groh.
-He doesn't like questionable character players.
-He likes versatile players over specialists.
-He prefers players from big schools.
-He likes players with Special Teams experience. Thinks highly of VA Tech's ST program.
-He prefers defensive guys with some 3-4 experience in college, if possible. (UVA)
-He prefers leaders and team captains.
-Won't select a player who is represented by the Postons.
-Thinks smaller RBs are a big gamble. (Sproles, Griffin, etc.)"



If you are looking for an OLB with all of the above, (except for 3-4 experience), I LOVE Bobby Carpenter. He will definately go in the first round by draft time. He is big, fast, instinctive, old-school, & versatile. 6-3, 255, 4.58 speed. He can cover TEs & RBs, fill the run, & led Ohio St. in sacks this year with 10, & that was with going out of the Michigan game on the first play with a broken ankle. His stats could be even higher.

People keep talking about taking Carpenter in the second round, but that is a joke. There were several games I watched that he was the BEST LB on the field-even with A.J. Hawk playing beside him! Plus, with his versatility to put his hand down & rush the passer, I would love to hear his name called at #18! He is the perfect complement to DWare on the strong side.

I've been on the Carpenter bandwagon for a long time. His injury may drop him into the second. That, and the fact that it is a deep LBer class. LBers typically drop anyway.

Anyway, I think he is a custom fit for the SOLB spot opposite Ware. Occasional pass rusher in the nickel (gonna need someone there opposite Ware if they jettison Ellis).

Also, his dad played for Parcells and his dad is a coach.

 

[Dough Boy]

I think there are quite a few people that have Parham higher than Brooks right now.

Maybe they are all on "halusegens".......

Please point out three of them..... I'm not being funny. This is what I've read about the two.

Link:

http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Profiles/ahmadbrooks.shtml

Brief from story.
He makes the players around him look like stars too; Blackstock and Parham looked much better than they are by simply benefiting from the opposing team's focus on Brooks.

This seems to be the consensus view. FYI - I live in the DC area and have watched both play over the past few years and they are on different talent levels. Brooks is just as talented as Merrimam - and I've seen both play live.

 

[Rush 2112]

Anyone on any message board is as qualified as Matthew Wolf on that site to grade players for the NFL draft.

Explain to me how Brooks made Parham look better when he only played 4-5 games this year?

I a take Parham vs Brooks all day every day.

Way too many issues and injuries with Brooks.

Big time injury issues to go along with the weed.

Channing Crowder where art thou?

 

[Qwickdraw]

I've been on the Carpenter bandwagon for a long time. His injury may drop him into the second. That, and the fact that it is a deep LBer class. LBers typically drop anyway.

Anyway, I think he is a custom fit for the SOLB spot opposite Ware. Occasional pass rusher in the nickel (gonna need someone there opposite Ware if they jettison Ellis).

Also, his dad played for Parcells and his dad is a coach.

That does it.

He's as good as a Cowboy.

Go ahead and pencil him in.

 

[Bizwah]

Please point out three of them..... I'm not being funny. This is what I've read about the two.

Link:

http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Profiles/ahmadbrooks.shtml

Brief from story.
He makes the players around him look like stars too; Blackstock and Parham looked much better than they are by simply benefiting from the opposing team's focus on Brooks.

This seems to be the consensus view. FYI - I live in the DC area and have watched both play over the past few years and they are on different talent levels. Brooks is just as talented as Merrimam - and I've seen both play live.

It looks as if that site hasn't been updated from the start of the season. It says nothing of the progress made by Carpenter this season, nor does it mention Brooks' injury issues.

As you can see, I'm not the only one with serious doubts about Brooks. I'm not against drafting him.......later.....like second-day later.

 

[Dough Boy]

It looks as if that site hasn't been updated from the start of the season. It says nothing of the progress made by Carpenter this season, nor does it mention Brooks' injury issues.

As you can see, I'm not the only one with serious doubts about Brooks. I'm not against drafting him.......later.....like second-day later.

I'm not saying we should draft Brooks either. I'm saying that Brooks is a better player than Parham. Thats all. And Parham is a good player by the way.

 

[Dough Boy]

Anyone on any message board is as qualified as Matthew Wolf on that site to grade players for the NFL draft.

Explain to me how Brooks made Parham look better when he only played 4-5 games this year?

I a take Parham vs Brooks all day every day.

Way too many issues and injuries with Brooks.

Big time injury issues to go along with the weed.

Channing Crowder where art thou?

I'll explain for you. Try all of last season.

Try this season in the games they played together. What about this, Parham gets more tackles when Brooks is in the line-up. Why? Becasue Brooks is the one other teams scheme for. When Brooks is out of the lineup, how dominate is Parham? Have you watched either of the two play. Brooks is a special player. He is a rare talent. Parham is a very good player, no doubting that. Brooks has it... Whatever it is..... And not many have that special 'it'.

I hope that suffices for an explanation to your question.

I'm glad you will take Parham offer Brooks. We will agree to disagree.

 

[Bizwah]

I'll explain for you. Try all of last season.

Try this season in the games they played together. What about this, Parham gets more tackles when Brooks is in the line-up. Why? Becasue Brooks is the one other teams scheme for. When Brooks is out of the lineup, how dominate is Parham? Have you watched either of the two play. Brooks is a special player. He is a rare talent. Parham is a very good player, no doubting that. Brooks has it... Whatever it is..... And not many have that special 'it'.

I hope that suffices for an explanation to your question.

I'm glad you will take Parham offer Brooks. We will agree to disagree.

We all know that Brooks is a phenom physically. We all know that he put up great numbers his first two years.

But what's happened with him over the last year has caused great concern for many of us.

Back troubles, knee troubles, run-ins with the coach, weed issues.....do these not concern you at all? Do you still think he's worth spending our first round pick on?

It's the back trouble that concerns me the most. We got burned with David LaFluer there, and we lost Aikman, Haley, Novacek, and Moose to back injuries....Let's say we draft the kid with pick number 18, ignoring our need at OT. What happens if his back continues to give him problems? What happens if he has to retire after four years?

There's just too many potential problems for me......again: back, knee, drugs, attitude, and even weight (he was reported to have ballooned up to 275 this season).

We're building a strong team here. I'd hate to see us blow it on an early pick. Right now, Brooks is just too big of a risk. Maybe he checks out fine medically. If he does, then I may rethink my stance......but even then, he still has to answer for his run-ins with the coaches, being overweight, and the drug issues.....
We're out a MLB and we have no RT......

 

[Dough Boy]

I just want to make this clear,

I think Kai Parham is going to be a very good NFL player. He has all the tools. I just happen to be of the opinion that Brooks will be a great player. A rare NFL talent. Others are intitled to their opinions, and I respect that. I came off a little strong. I'm sure their are some who do believe that Kai is a better player than Ahmad Brooks. Just because I'm not one of them, I'm not going to belittle anyone's right of free judgement.

 

[Dough Boy]

We all know that Brooks is a phenom physically. We all know that he put up great numbers his first two years.

But what's happened with him over the last year has caused great concern for many of us.

Back troubles, knee troubles, run-ins with the coach, weed issues.....do these not concern you at all? Do you still think he's worth spending our first round pick on?

It's the back trouble that concerns me the most. We got burned with David LaFluer there, and we lost Aikman, Haley, Novacek, and Moose to back injuries....Let's say we draft the kid with pick number 18, ignoring our need at OT. What happens if his back continues to give him problems? What happens if he has to retire after four years?

There's just too many potential problems for me......again: back, knee, drugs, attitude, and even weight (he was reported to have ballooned up to 275 this season).

We're building a strong team here. I'd hate to see us blow it on an early pick. Right now, Brooks is just too big of a risk. Maybe he checks out fine medically. If he does, then I may rethink my stance......but even then, he still has to answer for his run-ins with the coaches, being overweight, and the drug issues.....
We're out a MLB and we have no RT......

I'm not suggesting that we spend a first round pick on him. If he checks out, and Al Grogh gives BP the green light, then maybe. We have several needs. My first inclination is to go with either Huff (FS), McNeil (RT) or Bobby Carpenter if we trade down to a later spot in the 1st or early 2nd. I'm all over the board right now. I do like Carpenter. My whole point for joining this thread was to point out, that I thought and still think that Brooks is a better player than Parham. While Parham is a very good player, Brooks has a chance to make a Merriman impact.

 

[Bizwah]

I'm not suggesting that we spend a first round pick on him. If he checks out, and Al Grogh gives BP the green light, then maybe. We have several needs. My first inclination is to go with either Huff (FS), McNeil (RT) or Bobby Carpenter if we trade down to a later spot in the 1st or early 2nd. I'm all over the board right now. I do like Carpenter. My whole point for joining this thread was to point out, that I thought and still think that Brooks is a better player than Parham. While Parham is a very good player, Brooks has a chance to make a Merriman impact.

I think everyone's all over the board right now. I'm sure all of our opinions will change once we see the "All Star" games and the "Underwear Olympics".

 

[Dough Boy]

I think everyone's all over the board right now. I'm sure all of our opinions will change once we see the "All Star" games and the "Underwear Olympics".

I think I place to much stock on the U.O. I will admit, that it does help to project a college player to the pro game, esp when a position change is being contemplated.

The more I read on Bobby Carpenter, the more I like him. I'm starting to jump on the bandwagon. I also like Manny Lawson out of N.C. State. He reminds me a lot of a young Jevon Kearse or John Abraham. He would be another good OLB to match up with Ware.

 

[Bizwah]

I think I place to much stock on the U.O. I will admit, that it does help to project a college player to the pro game, esp when a position change is being contemplated.

The more I read on Bobby Carpenter, the more I like him. I'm starting to jump on the bandwagon. I also like Manny Lawson out of N.C. State. He reminds me a lot of a young Jevon Kearse or John Abraham. He would be another good OLB to match up with Ware.

I'm high on Manny Lawson as well. I'd like to know the injury status on Carpenter.....will he be ready for mini-camps?

 

[VACowboy]

I'll explain for you. Try all of last season.

Try this season in the games they played together. What about this, Parham gets more tackles when Brooks is in the line-up. Why? Becasue Brooks is the one other teams scheme for. When Brooks is out of the lineup, how dominate is Parham? Have you watched either of the two play. Brooks is a special player. He is a rare talent. Parham is a very good player, no doubting that. Brooks has it... Whatever it is..... And not many have that special 'it'.

I hope that suffices for an explanation to your question.

I'm glad you will take Parham offer Brooks. We will agree to disagree.

I'm not gonna argue talent in comparing Parham and Brooks. That's just silly. But the quote above isn't exactly accurate. All Parham did with Brooks on the bench was lead the team in tackles and the ACC in sacks.

 

[Rush 2112]

I'll explain for you. Try all of last season.

Try this season in the games they played together. What about this, Parham gets more tackles when Brooks is in the line-up. Why? Becasue Brooks is the one other teams scheme for. When Brooks is out of the lineup, how dominate is Parham? Have you watched either of the two play. Brooks is a special player. He is a rare talent. Parham is a very good player, no doubting that. Brooks has it... Whatever it is..... And not many have that special 'it'.

I hope that suffices for an explanation to your question.

I'm glad you will take Parham offer Brooks. We will agree to disagree.

It's kinda embarrassing that someone who is such an expert on UVA football could be so dead wrong.

Please take a look at Kai's and Ahmad's tackle, sacks and TFL stats on a game by game basis.

http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2005-2006/indgbg.html#IGBG.TFL

 

[Dough Boy]

It's kinda embarrassing that someone who is such an expert on UVA football could be so dead wrong.

Please take a look at Kai's and Ahmad's tackle, sacks and TFL stats on a game by game basis.

http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2005-2006/indgbg.html#IGBG.TFL

Parham is a much player when Brooks is on the field. Statiscally speaking, I can't prove this. But when I watch the games, I think he is a better player with Brooks on the field. I think a more interesting point, would be to ask how much does Brooks benefit from playing next to Parham. Hard to say since Parham rarely missed time the last two seasons. I like both players. I just happen to think that Ahmad is the more talented of the two.

Can you please so me a quote when I said I'm a UVA expert? Just one quote. Have I seen them play, yes? Often, yes.... Would I consider myself a fan of UVA, no. I happen to live in the area, watched several games over the last few years, and know enough to say that Brooks is a better player.

FYI, your stats in a head to head comparsion are meaningless. How many DNP did Ahmad have this year? I don't get your point.

I will admit that Parhams statistics did increase this year. He made more plays this year than last year. He is a good, very good player. I've said it b/f and will say it again, I think he is going to be a very good NFL LB.

 

[Dough Boy]

I'm not gonna argue talent in comparing Parham and Brooks. That's just silly. But the quote above isn't exactly accurate. All Parham did with Brooks on the bench was lead the team in tackles and the ACC in sacks.

You are correct. Do you think Parhams production would have been higher had Brooks been on the field? Who knows? We are not comparing apples to apples. I think Parham benefits from Brooks receiving so much attention. I sitll think Parham is one heck of a player. Parhams not coming out this year, but if he was, I would consider him. He is a good player. To think that he's the same player without Brooks is not accurate either. Statiscially speaking, I can't back up what I'm saying. But watching him play both with and without Brooks, I will say he appears (to me) to be a better playing when Brooks is in the game.

Maybe Brooks is a better player with Parham in the line-up.

I'm not trying to diminish Parham's impact on that team. He steped up his game with Brooks out. No doubt about. I only ask one question, would his numbers have been bigger if Brooks was in the line up?

But again you are right, my quote is not entirely accuarate, Parham did step his game up. No question about that.