Think again...great draft picks tonight.

[wileedog]

RB is a glaring need. They obviously don't like something about Choice. Barber is toast and you can't depend on Felix to stay healthy.

When compared to Davis at OG or any of our current safeties or some of our current CBs or most of our DL, it's really not.

 

[davey999]

Like Carter, not Murray. Murray pick will end up looking bad.

 

[Chuck 54]

Ive come down off the roof, lol During the interveiw carter said he was done with the rehab side of his rehab and is cutting and squatting now, and will be able to work himself into the workouts at tc REALLY GOOD NEW! prossman

wow...great news...thanks for sharing.

 

[Chuck 54]

We've all seen enough of Murray to know exactly what we're getting.

He was mediocre against the awful big 12 defenses. I see very little chance for him to make much of an impact.

You don't draft STers and role players in the 3rd round of the draft. Epic fail of a pick. And most everyone knows it, there are just some who are trying to convince themselves otherwise.

Poor Jason Garrett...if he doesn't know his team well enough and can't judge talent well enough that he can't even get this right, then I don't see how I can believe in him as head coach or offensive coordinator. How could he make such an obviously stupid selection in the 3rd round instead of picking up an OG or S.

This is partly sarcasm, yes, but not entirely...if Murray really is that horrible of a selection, and Garret blew his 3rd choice so decisively, we are in big big trouble.

 

[TNCowboy]

hmmm...that's weird....maybe I made a mistake, but not going downstairs to check...I'll assume you're right and I'm wrong.

That damn kiper always sends me a personal report with errors in it. :

His combine weight was 243.

 

[percyhoward]

We dump the swing pass to him, and he's the man in open space.

Where he catches the ball makes absolutely no difference, and weak receivers with horrible hands obviously don't lead the NFL in catch rate (92.3%) and lead their team in yards per target. Maybe you mean he's weak as a route-runner, but really, who cares how much of his yardage is after the catch or before?

 

[wileedog]

if Murray really is that horrible of a selection, and Garret blew his 3rd choice so decisively, we are in big big trouble.

I mean this as objectively as possible, but amid all of the "Jason is Savior" hype last year it was stated repeatedly that the one thing we had no idea about with him was talent evaluation. He certainly didn't instill much confidence in the way he handled the RB situation.

This is a big draft for him, and after a potentially good #1 pick he's rolled the dice a bit on #2 and some would say flubbed #3.

Such is life with a rookie coach. We'll see if he is right or wrong.

 

[TNCowboy]

Poor Jason Garrett...if he doesn't know his team well enough and can't judge talent well enough that he can't even get this right, then I don't see how I can believe in him as head coach or offensive coordinator. How could he make such an obviously stupid selection in the 3rd round instead of picking up an OG or S.

This is partly sarcasm, yes, but not entirely...if Murray really is that horrible of a selection, and Garret blew his 3rd choice so decisively, we are in big big trouble.

You have no clue how much influence Garrett had on the pick. For all we really know, he hated it.

On the other hand, many of us have seen Murray play. A lot. And he's nothing special. Certainly not 3rd round in the draft special with all the other talent that was available.

We also have a GM notorious for his idiotic draft picks. And in another thread, someone else said Larry Lacewell was consulted on these picks.

Most of the evidence is stacked against Murray being much more than a jag.

 

[wileedog]

You have no clue how much influence Garrett had on the pick. For all we really know, he hated it.

Jerry has made a big show that Jason is the man and will have the last say on personnel. If we are drafting people that Jason "hates" then we are still as royally screwed as we have ever been.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Is Carter really 250? I've seen 240

235 at most

 

[BHendri5]

Rob Ryan is the defensive coordinator. You can bet Carter was his choice over any remaining 300 lbers at that point. Players do not have to start to greatly improve our defense and offense.

Carter will play ILB...6'2"...250...runs a 4.5 40...I saw him play his junior year and he was incredible...makes tackles from sideline to sideline, and he's very good in pass coverage. Unlikely he'll make the starting unit...that's likely to be James and Lee, hopefully, maybe James and Brooking though. While he's groomed the way Lee was groomed last year, Carter will make an excellent nickel LB, getting James and Brooking off the field in passing situations. That improves our defense now and in the future.

DeMarco Murray is not an elusive runner, but he's a big, strong, powerful runner with incredible speed...6'0"...214...4.34 40. He's a great addition to the RB corps and will be better than Choice in all aspects. He will take over totally on 3rd downs. He's a great pass blocker and blitz pickup guy...he's a great receiver, a poor man's marshall faulk in that area...he can run routes and catch downfield, not just swing passes...with his pass receiving and speed, he'll destroy LBs. He scored 15 TDs last season...ran for over 1200 yards...was first team all Big 12 RB. But get this...he caught 71 passes for almost 600 yards and 5 TDs!!!

MBIII is done...Felix and Choice both suck in pass protection...Murray is another big play guy who, while limited in some respects, vastly improves our offense and passing game. Choice is way over-rated by most fans.

If you're a huge Garrett fan and you've been saying you're happy with the Rob Ryan hire, then you have to put down your draft guides and trust that Ryan chose Carter as his #1 guy on defense at 40 and knows how he wants to use him, and Garrett chose Murray over a backup OG who might have developed into a starter because he's excited about both protecting Romo better on blitzes and giving him a real RB threat in the passing game.

You can't believe in Garrett and Ryan and not give them the benefit of the doubt on these picks in their first draft here.

I really wanted some trades and extra picks...I really wanted Aaron Williams for CB/S, and I was hoping for DT Paea with #40, but I really love these draft picks the more I read about them and think about how they will be used and what they will bring to the team both as rookies and into the future.

I agree with you and I definitely believe in Garrett. I disagree with you about Choice, he is not overrated, and he is very good in pass protection. He played in an nfl offense in college under chan gailey. Felix is weak in pass blocking. Demarco is too injury prone, like Felix, but he is decent and he is good in the passing game

 

[TNCowboy]

235 at most

He was 243 at the combine and at his pro day.

 

[AsthmaField]

Rob Ryan knows what to look for in defenders for his system. Everywhere he's been he's able to get good guys that step in early and produce.

When Ryan was doing his first interview in Dallas he said that the linebacker's make his scheme go. Carter is one of the most athletic LB's you could ever find, he produced at a good program with a coach we know and trust.

I am thrilled that we were able to get a huge piece to Rob Ryan's puzzle.

Murray is one of the more natural pass catchers I've seen at the RB position. He will be able to be used in a variety of ways, including slot receiver, and I'm sure Garrett already has some things in mind to get him involved.

It's like mass hysteria here. Some didn't like it, and it picked up steam and suddenly, almost everyone is saying it is a terrible 3rd round choice. Heck, I best most people didn't even watch the guy very much.

Garrett and Ryan had many choices for those picks and they picked these two guys for very good reasons.

Just wait a little while and see how the team uses them before writing them off.

 

[wileedog]

Murray is one of the more natural pass catchers I've seen at the RB position..

Which is a terrible use of a 3rd round pick for a 6-10 team with bigger holes to fill.

I sincerely home Murray is a hugely productive member of the team. A 3rd round pick for him there makes almost no sense given the team's other shortcomings.

 

[Malcolm Kelly]

We've all seen enough of Murray to know exactly what we're getting.

He was mediocre against the awful big 12 defenses. I see very little chance for him to make much of an impact.

You don't draft STers and role players in the 3rd round of the draft. Epic fail of a pick. And most everyone knows it, there are just some who are trying to convince themselves otherwise.

 

[Joe_Fan]

This has the potential to be a GREAT draft class for the Cowboys... I love the first three picks.

 

[Malcolm Kelly]

You have no clue how much influence Garrett had on the pick. For all we really know, he hated it.

On the other hand, many of us have seen Murray play. A lot. And he's nothing special. Certainly not 3rd round in the draft special with all the other talent that was available.

We also have a GM notorious for his idiotic draft picks. And in another thread, someone else said Larry Lacewell was consulted on these picks.

Most of the evidence is stacked against Murray being much more than a jag.

 

[Natedawg44]

I agree the hysteria about the Murray pick is hilarious around here. I'm going to give the guy a chance and I am going to root for him, because like it or not, he's a Cowboy now. Here's to him being the next Terrell Davis. And for those of you that aren't rooting for him, I'm sure there's an Eagles or Commanders board that would love to have you. Guess what else? I hate to break it down like this , but Jerry Jones isn't going to be calling you to turn over his GM duties to you. That phone is not going to ring, no matter how super-awesome your ideas and opinion are on an internet message board.

 

[BHendri5]

Murray may do well, I sure hope he does, because I believe in what in JG.

Murray is only better than felix in pass blocking, and receiving. Murray is not better than Choice in pass blocking, and but he is when it comes to catching the ball. So yeah he can become the 3rd down back and return Kicks and punts, I believe they do not want Dez doing that anymore, maybe on special occasions.

I can see Murray beicoming the 3rd down back and special teams returner, but you can rest assure that Choice will get more opportunity this seasn running the ball, because he is better than all the RBs on the roster at doing that.

 

[wileedog]

I agree the hysteria about the Murray pick is hilarious around here. I'm going to give the guy a chance and I am going to root for him, because like it or not, he's a Cowboy now. Here's to him being the next Terrell Davis. And for those of you that aren't rooting for him, I'm sure there's an Eagles or Commanders board that would love to have you.

Seriously, why does "I really wasn't fond of this pick" turn into "I hate the guy and hope he dies!"?

Some of us think it was a bad pick. I hope he goes on to break Emmitt's rushing record, but I still think it was a bad pick.