Think there's any possible way the Cowboys could trade up for Matt Leinart next year?

[Doomsday101]

He's probably a two time hiesman winner from a school that recently produced Carson Palmer who has been sucessful in the league. He'd be the consensus number one pick.

Say the 49ers have that pick. Who is going to want it?

no doubt would want him

Ravens - no question
Dolphins - no question
Bucs - Griese is ok, but
Raiders - Keeping him in Cali
Lions - They get the right pac 10 qb this time
Titans - McNair is near the end and Volak isn't as good as Mr USC
Cleveland - Dilfer is old
Arizona- Warner?


Off the top of my head those guys would give two number onesright now, so you have to beat that.


Probably in the derby

Broncos - Plummer and Shannahan are gone if he doesn't win this yr
Saints - Brooks consistent?
Jets - Penningtons arm?

I just don't think you would have to give up as much as your thinking.

 

[Longboysfan]

If... We pick in the top 20 next year.
We could not get near the number 1 pick without giving up #1, #2, #4.
Then our #1 next year. And / Or maybe a player of some note.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Leinart = overrated

 

[jackrussell]

Still have heard nothing of what you think it will take.

You just love to show your disdain for the value chart, you still have not given one example of someone trading up to #1 that went completely against the chart.

So far you have given the Browns' stupidity and nothing more, you downplayed the SD/NYG swap, only to have it blow up in your face because it followed the value chart extremely well. So far all you can show are teams OVERPAYING to move up, ala the Browns and Ditka in NO. Where is the team giving away the top pick for cheap?

Yes, I fully expect a trade up from the 20's to #1 to require multiple picks. That is the kind of move a team needs 2 first round picks to even approach doing. Even with last year's picks we'd have still needed more than #11 and #20.

So where is your example of a team that gave away a high pick way under value? I'm still waiting for more than just lip service JR.

Well, let's see. I give a examples, and it's not because they didn't follow THE CHART, it's because they were stupid. What's the use? You haven't told me why they didn't follow THE CHART, except they were stupid. Hmmm, so stupidity could actually be, A POSSIBILITY!!!! Wow, imagine that!

Disdain for THE CHART? Are you serious? I'm guessing my disdain could equal your unbending belief that THE CHART is all things, that NOONE deviates from THE CHART. (except, of course, the stupid examples given)

So far, you've made this something I've never said. " So where is your example of a team that gave away a high pick way under value?" You tell me, where did I say anything could be obtained way under value? Or cheap?(or is it nitpicking when I point out something you claim I've said, when indeed, I haven't)

Again, turn your ignore button off, I answered the question as posed- Is it possible they could...and my answer was, and still is...Yes, it IS possible, with doubts they would do it.

Like I said zeb, you;re right on. It's going by THE CHART, and Dallas would have to give 8-12 picks to move up. Because THE CHART said so.

(Bet you go for 2 because THE CHART says so)

"Still have heard nothing of what you think it will take."

Well, I don't believe you ever asked. I'll have to check MY CHART and get back to ya.

 

[blindzebra]

Well, let's see. I give a examples, and it's not because they didn't follow THE CHART, it's because they were stupid. What's the use? You haven't told me why they didn't follow THE CHART, except they were stupid. Hmmm, so stupidity could actually be, A POSSIBILITY!!!! Wow, imagine that!

Disdain for THE CHART? Are you serious? I'm guessing my disdain could equal your unbending belief that THE CHART is all things, that NOONE deviates from THE CHART. (except, of course, the stupid examples given)

So far, you've made this something I've never said. " So where is your example of a team that gave away a high pick way under value?" You tell me, where did I say anything could be obtained way under value? Or cheap?(or is it nitpicking when I point out something you claim I've said, when indeed, I haven't)

Again, turn your ignore button off, I answered the question as posed- Is it possible they could...and my answer was, and still is...Yes, it IS possible, with doubts they would do it.

Like I said zeb, you;re right on. It's going by THE CHART, and Dallas would have to give 8-12 picks to move up. Because THE CHART said so.

(Bet you go for 2 because THE CHART says so)

"Still have heard nothing of what you think it will take."

Well, I don't believe you ever asked. I'll have to check MY CHART and get back to ya.

Who did the Browns trade up for? Wouldn't be the parking lot biker,hmmm, yep I'd call that move stupid.

Ditka for Williams, hmmm, again stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does, as Forrest's momma would say. You see, I never said it was stupid just because it did not follow the chart.

 

[thewivil]

He's probably a two time hiesman winner from a school that recently produced Carson Palmer who has been sucessful in the league. He'd be the consensus number one pick.

Say the 49ers have that pick. Who is going to want it?

no doubt would want him

Ravens - no question
Dolphins - no question
Bucs - Griese is ok, but
Raiders - Keeping him in Cali
Lions - They get the right pac 10 qb this time
Titans - McNair is near the end and Volak isn't as good as Mr USC
Cleveland - Dilfer is old
Arizona- Warner?


Off the top of my head those guys would give two number onesright now, so you have to beat that.


Probably in the derby

Broncos - Plummer and Shannahan are gone if he doesn't win this yr
Saints - Brooks consistent?
Jets - Penningtons arm?

Take the Saints off your list since they drafted Adrian McPherson last year.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Take the Saints off your list since they drafted Adrian McPherson last year.

I thought they released him.

- Mike G.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I thought they released him.

- Mike G.

No, he's on there roster but he's a long-long way from being able to QB in the NFL. I don't agree with the earlier poster. I don't think the fact that New Orleans drafted McPherson necessarily precludes them from taking a guy like Leinart, if he were there for them. I think that's a decision that New Orleans would think long and hard about.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

No, he's on there roster but he's a long-long way from being able to QB in the NFL. I don't agree with the earlier poster. I don't think the fact that New Orleans drafted McPherson necessarily precludes them from taking a guy like Leinart, if he were there for them. I think that's a decision that New Orleans would think long and hard about.

Gotcha.

I definitely wouldnt let that fact kep me from drafting Matt Leinhart. You never really know how a guy is going to turnout until it is way too late anyway, you just have to see what other successfull teams are doing.

Atlanta, Philly, NE, Jacksonville, Colts, Jets, Steelers all drafted their QBs and I bet one of these teams will end up winning it all this year.

- Mike G.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Gotcha.

I definitely wouldnt let that fact kep me from drafting Matt Leinhart. You never really know how a guy is going to turnout until it is way too late anyway, you just have to see what other successfull teams are doing.

Atlanta, Philly, NE, Jacksonville, Colts, Jets, Steelers all drafted their QBs and I bet one of these teams will end up winning it all this year.

- Mike G.

I agree. I've said this many times. I believe that QB is the most important position on the field. I think you take opportunities to draft good QBs whenever they present themselves. One older QB and two guys that are being developed is not my idea of being squared away, long term, at QB.

JMO of course.

 

[thewivil]

No, he's on there roster but he's a long-long way from being able to QB in the NFL. I don't agree with the earlier poster. I don't think the fact that New Orleans drafted McPherson necessarily precludes them from taking a guy like Leinart, if he were there for them. I think that's a decision that New Orleans would think long and hard about.

If the Saints somehow fall hard and wind up with the first pick, I don't think they necessarily wouldn't take Leinart just because they have McPherson, but I don't think they'd trade up to get him.

 

[Hiero]

I agree. I've said this many times. I believe that QB is the most important position on the field. I think you take opportunities to draft good QBs whenever they present themselves. One older QB and two guys that are being developed is not my idea of being squared away, long term, at QB.

JMO of course.

ya exactly, bus drivers stop gaps whatever you want to call them can only go on for so long before we try and draft a qb.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree. I've said this many times. I believe that QB is the most important position on the field. I think you take opportunities to draft good QBs whenever they present themselves. One older QB and two guys that are being developed is not my idea of being squared away, long term, at QB.

JMO of course.

Yes sir. The evidence is out there, that supports your above claim...

http://www.dallascowboyz.com/articles/Its_the_Quarterback_Stupid!.asp

- Mike G.

 

[THUMPER]

I'm assuming the Cowboys are going to make the Playoffs or at least come close this year. So we'd have to give up a lot.

I know it's against inferior competition so far, but he is just tearing it up this year.... again. Gotta believe that Leinart is about as close to a Troy Aikman type QB (consensus #1 pick) the Cowboys will see for a while.

Looking at some of the teams in the NFL that may challenge for that #1 draft pick.... Chicago (supposedly happy with Orton), Washington (already drafted their future QB), San Fran (already drafted), Cleveland (that's the team to watch out for!), Tennesse (Volek is the future although having the USC OC probably changes everything)...... not a lot of teams that need QBs in some of the more obvious teams that may end up 4-12. It would be a team like Denver or the Cards, that could tank at anytime, that we'd have to watch out for. Miami would definitely be another one to watch out for too, although they have gotten off to at least one win so far. :

Do you think the asking price would be too much? Do you think this team is getting to the point where it has enough depth that it can gamble like this with its draft picks? I'm so fed up with the baseball player projects, I'm ready for the Cowboys to blow it all on a bonafide high first rounder type at the position. Dallas could even sit him for a year via Carson Palmer or Daunte Culpepper style if Bledsoe proves he can hack it the whole year.

We had an opportunity a couple of years ago to trade up for Carson Palmer as Cincy didn't really want the pick and was anxious to trade it away. They really weren't asking that much for the pick since no one was willing to work a deal. They had Jon Kitna already and he was coming off a very good season so they didn't want to spend the #1 pick on a QB nor was anyone else worthy of that high a selection.

I was really hoping we would pull the trigger then as it was our best opportunity to get a stud QB. As it turns out I was right about him and he looks like he is turning out to be a very good QB.

As good as Terence Newman is I would much rather have had Palmer in that draft. I believe Cincy wanted our 1st (#5) and our 2nd (#38) which turned out to be Al Johnson. I would gladly trade Newman and Johnson for Palmer right now. I thought it was stupid to pass up the chance to take a franchise QB since we were slotted so high already.

As for Leinart, it is going to take a lot more to move up for him as he has more pedigree than Palmer did and we will be drafting a lot lower than we did in 2002. I would love to have him as I believe he will be something special in the NFL but the price will be too high for us to move up for him.

We had our chance to get that stud QB and blew it. Now we have to hope we get lucky instead and hit on a lower pick or FA.

There is still a chance we might trade for Philip Rivers after this season if the Chargers commit to a long term deal with Brees. But even that will take some doing. It could be we can trade some players & picks to them for him so it won't be just draft choices but that will have to wait til after the season for us to find out.

 

[blindzebra]

We had an opportunity a couple of years ago to trade up for Carson Palmer as Cincy didn't really want the pick and was anxious to trade it away. They really weren't asking that much for the pick since no one was willing to work a deal. They had Jon Kitna already and he was coming off a very good season so they didn't want to spend the #1 pick on a QB nor was anyone else worthy of that high a selection.

I was really hoping we would pull the trigger then as it was our best opportunity to get a stud QB. As it turns out I was right about him and he looks like he is turning out to be a very good QB.

As good as Terence Newman is I would much rather have had Palmer in that draft. I believe Cincy wanted our 1st (#5) and our 2nd (#38) which turned out to be Al Johnson. I would gladly trade Newman and Johnson for Palmer right now. I thought it was stupid to pass up the chance to take a franchise QB since we were slotted so high already.

As for Leinart, it is going to take a lot more to move up for him as he has more pedigree than Palmer did and we will be drafting a lot lower than we did in 2002. I would love to have him as I believe he will be something special in the NFL but the price will be too high for us to move up for him.

We had our chance to get that stud QB and blew it. Now we have to hope we get lucky instead and hit on a lower pick or FA.

There is still a chance we might trade for Philip Rivers after this season if the Chargers commit to a long term deal with Brees. But even that will take some doing. It could be we can trade some players & picks to them for him so it won't be just draft choices but that will have to wait til after the season for us to find out.

Care to supply a source for this opportunity.

 

[wrnboysfan]

i seriously doubt it. He is going to be a great IMO and i doubt a team in need will trade the pick, unless we pull a Hershel Walker, and i'd die if we did.