Think there's any possible way the Cowboys could trade up for Matt Leinart next year?

jackrussell said:
I don't think that was the question posed.


????

Think there's any possible way the Cowboys could trade up for Matt Leinart next year?

The entire thread is based on that question.

The Giants traded the #4 pick, a 2nd, 5th and their first the next year to get Eli.

That is 3 spots, not 20.

To go 20's to #1 will take a lot, an awful lot.
 
blindzebra said:
????

Think there's any possible way the Cowboys could trade up for Matt Leinart next year?

The entire thread is based on that question.

The Giants traded the #4 pick, a 2nd, 5th and their first the next year to get Eli.

That is 3 spots, not 20.

To go 20's to #1 will take a lot, an awful lot.

Think there's any possible way the Cowboys could trade up for Matt Leinart next year?

Not -Will the Cowboys trade up.

While I'm in agreement they will not, I also recognize all things are possible.(Except the part where it would require Dallas giving up at least 8 picks to do so.)

The Browns a couple of years ago traded their #2 to move up one spot, I'm sure that was not on the sheets as an equitable exchange. Sooooo, it was indeed, possible it could be done.

The sheet is not all knowing.
 
jackrussell said:
Think there's any possible way the Cowboys could trade up for Matt Leinart next year?

Not -Will the Cowboys trade up.

While I'm in agreement they will not, I also recognize all things are possible.(Except the part where it would require Dallas giving up at least 8 picks to do so.)

The Browns a couple of years ago traded their #2 to move up one spot, I'm sure that was not on the sheets as an equitable exchange. Sooooo, it was indeed, possible it could be done.

The sheet is not all knowing.


Hmm.

No.
 
As others have said in this thread, we've already invested in a young QB- Henson. Despite his struggles, there is no way the Cowboys give up on Henson as "the future" unless/until he plays himself out of town. The smart play, financially and otherwise, is for Jerry Jones is to wait-out Parcells. If the Cowboys become contenders with Bledsoe, everyone wins.

Given our legacy, everyone is more comfortable with the thought of a blue-chip QB behind center. But there is more than one blueprint for success. We have the makings of a playoff-caliber defense, a star RB and money. If we're forced into doing something at QB next year and beyond, I'd rather try to attract a decent FA QB than mortgage our future to move up absurdly-high in the draft.
 
thanks Hos... courtesy of Google images... they got tons of em

very good point Wolverine... I think we need to be looking for that next monster left guard or LT early in the draft if one's there (take a look at UT offensive linemen... they're saying they're the best in the country)... I don't have any names right off the bat, but the RB for UT just rushes like a madman amidst all that blocking...

I think NT will be a high priority too, Fergi aint no spring chicken anymore (Haloti Ngata of Oregon is that next big dominant D lineman) Anyway, getting Leinert (who is a lefty) would throw our OL out of whack... blind side becomes the right side
 
jackrussell said:
Think there's any possible way the Cowboys could trade up for Matt Leinart next year?

Not -Will the Cowboys trade up.

While I'm in agreement they will not, I also recognize all things are possible.(Except the part where it would require Dallas giving up at least 8 picks to do so.)

The Browns a couple of years ago traded their #2 to move up one spot, I'm sure that was not on the sheets as an equitable exchange. Sooooo, it was indeed, possible it could be done.

The sheet is not all knowing.

One spot is not 22 to #1.

So unless you have an actual trade where someone moved from the 20's to #1 for less than 2 firsts plus other picks, your coulds and possibles are as likely as Bush and Bin Laden getting married to each other in Alabama.:lmao2:
 
thanks Hos... courtesy of Google images... they got tons of em

very good point Wolverine... I think we need to be looking for that next monster left guard or LT early in the draft if one's there (take a look at UT offensive linemen... they're saying they're the best in the country)... I don't have any names right off the bat, but the RB for UT just rushes like a madman amidst all that blocking...

I think NT will be a high priority too, Fergi aint no spring chicken anymore (Haloti Ngata of Oregon is that next big dominant D lineman)

Anyway, getting Leinert (who is a lefty) would throw our OL out of whack... blind side becomes the right side
 
Man, there are some really outstanding QBs in college this year.

Here are some I think could be pretty good pros.

Bohm (dont know his first name) - I think me and Hostile talked about this guy last year in the chat. He is the QB from Louisville and I watched him come in and split time with the starter last against Miami and was tearing them up. I heard Kurt Herbestreet say he will be a Heisman QB soon.

Chris Leak - I think he is a good qb as well

Vince Young - I wanted to stay away from this guy but they said Texas hired some QB consultant or something and worked real hard with this guy in the summer and it showed during the Ohio State game. He made some real nice throws during that game.

Of course Matt Leinart

- Mike G.
 
blindzebra said:
One spot is not 22 to #1.

So unless you have an actual trade where someone moved from the 20's to #1 for less than 2 firsts plus other picks, your coulds and possibles are as likely as Bush and Bin Laden getting married to each other in Alabama.:lmao2:

So unless you have an actual trade where someone moved from the 20's to #1 for less than 2 firsts plus other picks

This, I never said, you did. I would expect 2 #1s, which is not bad in itself, because we get one of the #1s back. Your 'plus other picks' are all conjecture. Where is our #2 pick from last year? The year before? Quincy Carter, where are you? I never said it would take less, I said it wouldn't take at least 8 picks(which tells me you must believe it would take more, 9? 10? What's the sheet say?)

your coulds and possibles

And since you keep missing it, those were the words used in the context of the question. But I do keep forgetting your self titled blindess.

are as likely as Bush and Bin Laden getting married to each other in Alabama.

The wedding date was set, but George couldn't seem to find him, and isn't that concerned about him anymore.
 
jackrussell said:
So unless you have an actual trade where someone moved from the 20's to #1 for less than 2 firsts plus other picks

This, I never said, you did. I would expect 2 #1s, which is not bad in itself, because we get one of the #1s back. Your 'plus other picks' are all conjecture. Where is our #2 pick from last year? The year before? Quincy Carter, where are you? I never said it would take less, I said it wouldn't take at least 8 picks(which tells me you must believe it would take more, 9? 10? What's the sheet say?)

your coulds and possibles

And since you keep missing it, those were the words used in the context of the question. But I do keep forgetting your self titled blindess.

are as likely as Bush and Bin Laden getting married to each other in Alabama.

The wedding date was set, but George couldn't seem to find him, and isn't that concerned about him anymore.

I'm not getting what you expect.

The question was is it possible, I gave what it would likely take to move up from the 20's to get a number one pick.

I used the value card that every team uses to gauge a trade. Like it or not that standard, as well as history, says it would take multple first round picks plus additional picks to get there. I then gave what our entire draft would be valued at in 2006, to show how far away from it being remotely possible that type of trade up would be.

Go back just one draft, when NYG gave up #4, their 2nd round pick, a day two pick and this year's first to get the rights to Eli, just 3 spots ahead.

2 first and 4 picks for 3 spots, what is 20 spots gonna cost?:rolleyes:
 
Our best bet at getting a high calibur QB next offseason is to hope that Brees has another good year. San Diego isn't going to want to pay a backup QB the kinda money Rivers is making now. They won't be able to get full value for a #4 overall pick.
 
Brees is not impressing me this game. he has Gates back but he still threw an INT for a TD to Bailey. If he keeps giving them away Rivers comes in. I was hoping that Brees would continue to shine, and that maybe we could get Rivers. That is beginning to look more doubtfull now.
 
Is it possible?

I guess....but Parcells would never do it anyway IMO.

I'd rather look for another Tom Brady type. Someone who has all the intangibles you look for in a prospect, but just needs better talent around him to shine. I still have high hopes for Romo and Henson to develop better timing and pocket presence. We could be sitting on a gold mine with those two guys and we need to find out. In the meantime, Bledsoe is our best option right now and can still make all the throws when he's protected. Parcells should REALLY think about getting a top tackle, since Javier Collins, Kurt Vollers and Jacob Rogers were all duds.


:star:
 
blindzebra said:
I'm not getting what you expect.

The question was is it possible, I gave what it would likely take to move up from the 20's to get a number one pick.

I used the value card that every team uses to gauge a trade. Like it or not that standard, as well as history, says it would take multple first round picks plus additional picks to get there. I then gave what our entire draft would be valued at in 2006, to show how far away from it being remotely possible that type of trade up would be.

Go back just one draft, when NYG gave up #4, their 2nd round pick, a day two pick and this year's first to get the rights to Eli, just 3 spots ahead.

2 first and 4 picks for 3 spots, what is 20 spots gonna cost?:rolleyes:

I have gone back. NY gave up #4, but that is basically even up for the pick they aquired.

I know all about the book. But nothing is etched in stone. If it were, Clev. would not have given a high #2 just to move up one spot in the first. Ditka wouldn't have traded his entire draft for the toker. Dallas never would have gotten what they did for Herschel. According to the book anyway.

I approached the question as posed; Is it possible we could....? Well, yes it is possible we could. Did I say we would? Nada. Nowhere, no how. I disagreed with your estimation it would take 8, possibly more picks to move up 20 spots. That's just how I see it.
 
jackrussell said:
I have gone back. NY gave up #4, but that is basically even up for the pick they aquired.

I know all about the book. But nothing is etched in stone. If it were, Clev. would not have given a high #2 just to move up one spot in the first. Ditka wouldn't have traded his entire draft for the toker. Dallas never would have gotten what they did for Herschel. According to the book anyway.

I approached the question as posed; Is it possible we could....? Well, yes it is possible we could. Did I say we would? Nada. Nowhere, no how. I disagreed with your estimation it would take 8, possibly more picks to move up 20 spots. That's just how I see it.


You are still nit-picking semantics.

I researched the SD/NYG trade.

SD gave up #1 = 3000 points.

NYG gave up #4 = 2000, 65 = 270, 133 = 42.5, first next year = 600 total 2912.5 points. Draft spot's actual value became 1150 so they gave up 3412.5 to get the first pick.

I'd say that validates the book pretty damned well.;)
 
dbair1967 said:
agree 100%...and the cost would probably be even more than you say...look what the idiot Giants gave up in the Eli trade, and that was only a couple of spots

QB's just arnt worth that gamble anymore...not when you see Baltimore and Tampa winning super bowls with what they had, or even with New England and Tom Brady...Brady is a great QB, but he was a late rd find...using that high draft pick on a QB is just too risky nowadays, because it kills you on the cap (unlike pre cap days, where if a QB busted it wasnt such a big deal...it was just a player)..then factor in that there is rarely a Troy Aikman or John Elway calibar prospect at QB anyway, and the risk is really just too great

David

Agree,

Matt Leinart isn't Aikman. I question his arm strength to make it big in the NFL. He has the intangibles but I see him as a Todd Marinovich (physical quality) but better character and resume.

I think Chicago may have struck gold with Orton. I think we should do what Chicago did. Identify a quality college QB who have two good yrs but stock dropped in the last yr of campaign because of poor supporting cast or other uncontrollable elements. Draft is just too much of gamble to give up so much of your future to move up.
 
Well, I guess you all are forgetting two teams who are in serious contention of getting Leinart over Cleveland.

Detroit and Tennessee.

There is a possibility that they could be successful this year, but the way things look, I highly doubt it unless their schedule is an easy one.

I can definitely see Chow in Tennessee trying to move up to get his QB from college since McNair is just too injury prone and on his way out. Then again, they do have a great backup in Volek, but I feel like Chow will be the deciding factor in getting Leinart somehow.

Then you have Detroit. Harrington just threw five interceptions today. I can definitely see them having a bad year and trading one of their WR and their pick to get the #1 pick.

Cleveland is in a good position also, but Dilfer is a decent QB who wins no matter how ugly it looks. Again, depends on their schedule though.
 
HeavyHitta31 said:
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349 passing yards
5 TDs
100 rushing yards
1 TD
No turnovers

The man is faster than Mike Vick (yes, he is faster than Mike Vick) and has an NFL arm.

I would love to get this guy as he is a Texas Kid and has talent but man he didnt look good against Clemson unless he was running. I need to see a little bit more consistency in the passing game this year.

- Mike G.
 
ghst187 said:
interesting question....good for discussion.
Let's examine it more closely from the Cowboy's roster....if....
1) Davis and/or Pile continue to improve and solidify the secondary
2) Pettiti keeps improving and becomes a stud RT
3) Crayton keeps lighting it up with Price looking good also
4) Our DL gets better and better, we wouldn't even have roster room to add anyone on the DL, its our deepest and most talented position already
5) LB corps puts it together as a unit, Fujita and Burnett become starters, Ware is locked in, and Dat is still making tackles

If those come true and they are all very possible, some even likely....how do you rank our draft needs?
WR? we have more than we can play already, sure TG and KJ are old but a high draft pick WR will have to sit behind them and Crayton for a while, and Price is we resign him. Don't really see BP parting with TG or KJ until they decide to retire, which means they'll start until then.

LB? Fujita, Ware, Burnett, Dat, James, Singleton, and Thorton will be back, not an all star cast but they're going to get better and better, esp with Burnett getting back into action

RB? nope, more than we can play already
DB? FS is really the only position that isn't already manned by a stud. Davis could improve but really do you use a 1st round pick on a FS? Not unless its Ed Reed.

OL? Maybe, Flozell and LA are getting up there, but you typically expect a 1st round OL to start opening day and if we drafted one here, he wouldn't start at any time next year probably. We will need to add some depth here next draft though.

What does that leave? QB, backup and future....? Even if Bledsoe looks great all year, we still don't have a viable backup or future prospect. If Henson doesn't turn the corner soon we are in trouble for down the road. I think if you are thinking long-term and our current guys at FS, LB, and OL continue to get better and better, we don't really have a lot of pressing needs going into the draft next year. Also, Leinert looks to be one of the best QB prospects to come out in a while. He played in a pro-system and put up good stats, but most importantly, guy knows how to win consistently. I think he's lost like 1 game in two, going on 3, years now?
Franchise QBs don't just fall out of the sky, you pay a price for them. The Giants paid dearly for Eli, but if he keeps getting better he'll be well worth it. Imagine Indy without Payton, they are a crummy team, or GB without Favre. A franchise QB almost always immediately elevates a team and he's easily worth sacrificing a few players at other positions. I think Brady has well proven that also.
So even if Bledsoe looks great this year and next, and maybe even the year after that, we still have to come up with someone to take over at some point and a draftee will need a year or so to sit and learn.
Sure we'll have some needs going into next year's draft, but given the weight of importance on a good QB and potential franchise guy, is there a more glaring need than QB?
Hopefully, few teams will feel the need to trade up for a QB like this year also. But if there's a year and a player to pull the trigger on a deal like this, next draft and Leinert are it IMO. Sure, it'll cost us a few fun toys at other positions, but to have quality, consistent play guaranteed at the QB position for the next decade or so....I think its worth it.

I don't know which team you've been watching, bro, but there are few teams that go into a draft without pressing needs, and we're not one of them. The OL has three solid Pro-bowlers, but two, both OGs, are drifting into their mid-thirties. The other, LT F. Adams, is closing in on the big 3-0. We haven't decided on who our best OC is yet, & our starting RT is a sixth round rookie. Not to rip our line, but there are indeed pressing needs there to bring in recruits who can sit & learn from some of the best for a year or two before coming in to spell a starter, then grow from there. "O" linemen take the longest to adjust to the NFL, and it takes time for a line to gel.

The 2006 NFL Draft is one of the most loaded drafts for OLs than I've seen in years-especially LTs, which are the hardest to come by. No matter which end they play on, there is a good possibility of 5-6 OTs going in the 1st round alone. This is a great opportunity for the Cowboys to put together another dominating "O" line like they had in the mid-90s. None of the "Triplets" would be going up on that wall tomorrow if it hadn't been for those 8-10 players that played on that line during that era, and allowed the "Trips" to keep that offense humming.

Besides that, except for JJ, we still don't have that offensive playmaker that strikes fear in the hearts of defensive coordinators. I love Witten, and so would any QB who would have the luxury of having such a weapon. In order to take us over the top, however, I believe we need an Irvin type who can take it to the house during any given play. Just watching Braylon Edwards taking a 10 yd. slant & turning it into an 80 yd. TD drove home the point to me that a presense like that on the field is invaluable. The LBs & DBs can't crowd the run for fear of getting burned, which would open up our greatest weapon. Sound familiar?

There are several excellent WRs in next yr's. draft who have the size & speed we need to have a "true" No.1.

Finally, besides Aikman, who was the last first overall QB pick to guide the team that drafted him to the SB? Give him the weapons, & most any quality QB can get you to the promised land.
 

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