This forum can use a non Norv topic... "Lane Kiffin has issues with Randy Moss!"

[Nightstalker]

The more I think about it, the more randy Moss reminds me of Plaxico Burress. He just gives up on his routes. Just my opinion.

Yeah..recent stats show that Randy Moss would be better than T.O....(Sarcasm)

 

[Bleu Star]

Really indeed.



Yes, that sounds like he "RAN SOMEONE OVER" (I think those were your words).



This is always the line the apologists fall back on because the substance of their arguments are so riddled with illogical that they have nothing else.

1. Don't hate TO and have stated he should be given another chance with the Cowboys, especially since he had an injured hand.

2. Yes, it is the offseason. So why bring up Moss? He's not a Cowboy. Unless, of course, you're trying to deflect from TO's actions by comparing someone you consider worse. Regardless of what Moss has or hasn't done, he's not on this team. TO is. And Moss has shown the same attitude that TO has. The traffic cop incident has NOTHING to do with the criticism Moss is now receiving, i.e., that he gives a half-hearted effort and he disrespects his superiors, including his new coach. That is the SAME criticism leveled at TO. And none of your deflecting the issue to Moss' off field conduct - which had nothing to do with the game or team chemistry - is going to change that.

3. Ah, projecting future results as a way to justify past conduct. You really need to get some new material. Too easy to dismantle and dissect.

I simply brought up "Moss" to change the shade of the forum from Norville Grey to a slightly more exciting color. Thank you for your contribution. Getcha popcorn ready!!!

Oh.. and about Moss, he put himself into that situation. If you really believe he was Mr. Innocent back whern that happened I have some choice coastal real estate down hewrein Florida to sell you. TO has not ever done anything remotely close to a crime. Find me an article. Please spare me the BSPN Pillgate too.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

guys, both TO and Randy Moss are turds

just TO happens to be the less distracting and more productive one

 

[Bleu Star]

The more I think about it, the more randy Moss reminds me of Plaxico Burress. He just gives up on his routes. Just my opinion.

Yeah..recent stats show that Randy Moss would be better than T.O....(Sarcasm)

Yeah. He gives up on so many plays he only amassed 1200+ yard w/ 13 TDs on 9 fingers.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Hey, I'd rather have him than Terrell Owens, anyday. Randy just wants to play for a better team - Owens is a tumor.

Cluesless. Clueless. Clueless.
What idiocy.

 

[Bleu Star]

guys, both TO and Randy Moss are turds

just TO happens to be the less distracting and more productive one

I can agree with this as I only care about productivity on the field and being a team player. Perhaps you can convince tyk1doe of this fact as well.

 

[Bleu Star]

Cluesless. Clueless. Clueless.
What idiocy.

He was joking...

 

[AtlCB]

Why anybody would want Randy Moss is beyond me. He would require a huge salary for average production. His game has deteriorated the last few years.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why anybody would want Randy Moss is beyond me. He would require a huge salary for average production. His game has deteriorated the last few years.

I don't want him but I don't think given his play as of late that he is in any position to make demands on money.

 

[Idgit]

I think Moss will end up in New England.

Now, that would surprise me.
My money is in St Louis, on the fast carpet, with Linehan and Torry Holt.

 

[Doomsday101]

Now, that would surprise me.
My money is in St Louis, on the fast carpet, with Linehan and Torry Holt.

I'll say Miami

 

[tyke1doe]

I simply brought up "Moss" to change the shade of the forum from Norville Grey to a slightly more exciting color. Thank you for your contribution. Getcha popcorn ready!!!

No, what you did was you wanted to contrast Moss' behavior with TO's, which is the reason why you mentioned in your initial post TO's name. If this were simply an issue of Moss' response to Kiffin, you would have left it at that.

But you knew you'd get criticized because of your defense of TO, which is why you tried to cut off that discussion from the start and tried to "justify" why TO is different than Moss.

Oh.. and about Moss, he put himself into that situation. If you really believe he was Mr. Innocent back whern that happened I have some choice coastal real estate down hewrein Florida to sell you. TO has not ever done anything remotely close to a crime. Find me an article. Please spare me the BSPN Pillgate too.

LOL!

You arguments are so weak they're pathetic.

First, who said anything about Moss not putting himself in that position?

Second, if we're playing the "find me an article" game, find me an article where anyone on the Raiders said that the Minnesota traffic cop incident had any barring on Moss' relationship with his teammates.

See the difference?

Naw, you don't.

Many players have off-field criminal indiscretions. But that's handled by the legal system.

Behavior towards one's coaches and fellow teammates IS NOT covered by the courts. That behavior has an impact on the team far more than whether a player hit a traffic cop - UNLESS that player is convicted and sentenced, resulting in that player missing game time.

But with respect to club house matters Moss is no different than TO.

Remember, TO criticized coaches.

Remember, TO confessed on national TV that he wasn't into the game (that sounds like half-hearted to me).

He did and has done the SAME THING Randy Moss has done.

And to point to Moss' scrape with the law to somehow argue that TO is a better teammate/player than Moss is ridiculous and, quite frankly, the type of comparison I'd expect an elementary student to make.

But you make them because you have this incessant need and desire to make TO something that he's not.

See, I have no problem saying TO contributed to this team and could be better. I don't feel as if I have to JUSTIFY him being on the team beyond his field play. He dropped passes, he shoots off his mouth, he is disrespectful (spitting on another player), he lacks an appreciation of authority (criticizing his coaches), he is selfish (always looking to criticize others and not himself) and he can be a bad teammate and a good teammate (consoling Romo). And he can play giving us a threat to take attention off Witten and Terry Glenn.

That's who he is. I don't need to compare him with anyone. I and most of the people you call TO-haters simply recognize that he comes with a lot of baggage but it's baggage we'll put up with because 1.) we don't own the Cowboys, 2.) he still has something left in the tank and 3.) we are die hard Cowboys fans.

You, however, seem to have this need to justify him and make him better by making comparisons to Moss, as if Moss is somehow worse than TO and as if your reaction would be different if Jerry Jones brought Moss to Dallas.

Based on your arguments, it seems clear to me the same justification you'd make for TO would be the same justification you'd make for Moss.

Whereas, I would be saying the same things about Moss even if he were a Cowboy.

 

[tyke1doe]

I can agree with this as I only care about productivity on the field and being a team player. Perhaps you can convince tyk1doe of this fact as well.

Don't try to backtrack.

If you only cared about productivity on the field, you wouldn't have cited Moss and the traffic cop incident. Instead, you would have simply pointed to Moss' production on the field.

You can't even keep your arguments straight.

 

[superpunk]

Cluesless. Clueless. Clueless.
What idiocy.

I agree. Genius!

 

[Bleu Star]

No, what you did was you wanted to contrast Moss' behavior with TO's, which is the reason why you mentioned in your initial post TO's name. If this were simply an issue of Moss' response to Kiffin, you would have left it at that.

But you knew you'd get criticized because of your defense of TO, which is why you tried to cut off that discussion from the start and tried to "justify" why TO is different than Moss.




LOL!

You arguments are so weak they're pathetic.

First, who said anything about Moss not putting himself in that position?

Second, if we're playing the "find me an article" game, find me an article where anyone on the Raiders said that the Minnesota traffic cop incident had any barring on Moss' relationship with his teammates.

See the difference?

Naw, you don't.

Many players have off-field criminal indiscretions. But that's handled by the legal system.

Behavior towards one's coaches and fellow teammates IS NOT covered by the courts. That behavior has an impact on the team far more than whether a player hit a traffic cop - UNLESS that player is convicted and sentenced, resulting in that player missing game time.

But with respect to club house matters Moss is no different than TO.

Remember, TO criticized coaches.

Remember, TO confessed on national TV that he wasn't into the game (that sounds like half-hearted to me).

He did and has done the SAME THING Randy Moss has done.

And to point to Moss' scrape with the law to somehow argue that TO is a better teammate/player than Moss is ridiculous and, quite frankly, the type of comparison I'd expect an elementary student to make.

But you make them because you have this incessant need and desire to make TO something that he's not.

See, I have no problem saying TO contributed to this team and could be better. I don't feel as if I have to JUSTIFY him being on the team beyond his field play. He dropped passes, he shoots off his mouth, he is disrespectful (spitting on another player), he lacks an appreciation of authority (criticizing his coaches), he is selfish (always looking to criticize others and not himself) and he can be a bad teammate and a good teammate (consoling Romo). And he can play giving us a threat to take attention off Witten and Terry Glenn.

That's who he is. I don't need to compare him with anyone. I and most of the people you call TO-haters simply recognize that he comes with a lot of baggage but it's baggage we'll put up with because 1.) we don't own the Cowboys, 2.) he still has something left in the tank and 3.) we are die hard Cowboys fans.

You, however, seem to have this need to justify him and make him better by making comparisons to Moss, as if Moss is somehow worse than TO and as if your reaction would be different if Jerry Jones brought Moss to Dallas.

Based on your arguments, it seems clear to me the same justification you'd make for TO would be the same justification you'd make for Moss.

Whereas, I would be saying the same things about Moss even if he were a Cowboy.

You have too much time on your hands.

 

[tyke1doe]

You have too much time on your hands.

No. I'm just a fast thinker and typer.

I get all my work done and still have time to post on the Internet. :