Twitter: This Is A Big Part Of Why Dallas re-signed Jourdan Lewis

[Aven8]

I’ve always like Lewis. Having said that last year was his worst season IMO. He was coming off the injury early on and hadn’t practiced and was sloppy and handsy.

 

[Cowboyny]

Except Brown has already been developed from within. We drafted Brown, we didn't draft cheap vets Worley and Carroll.

And this year there was no longer the plan for outside help- no more vet help signings at the CB spot.
the new plan was to re-sign our own, while also adding more viable candidates thru the NFL draft.
I'm one of those that do not expect a Richard Sherman like signing at all. I really believe we are prepared to go with what is already on the roster.

I agree, Sherman isn't signing here as we don't want any progress stoppers in front of our 3 young prospects at the position. Both Brown/Lewis have that veteran experience to serve as stops gaps in meantime if these young players need more seasoning.

 

[Sydla]

I agree, Sherman isn't signing here as we don't want any progress stoppers in front of our 3 young prospects at the position. Both Brown/Lewis have that veteran experience to serve as stops gaps in meantime if these young players need more seasoning.

It's two prospects. Diggs is already starting. So Sherman (or Nelson - another guy I'd consider) wouldn't block Diggs.

Lewis is a starting slot CB so he has really no impact on the other outside CB spot. Brown is just blah. He's a dime a dozen CB at this point.

Joseph is talented but raw. Wright might be even more raw than Joseph. The concept of not blocking them is bizarre because it's quite possible both won't be ready to play to start this season or maybe even at all this season given the work they will have to put in. So if you could bring in a Sherman or Nelson type on a deal where you can cut bait after one year, that's just smart roster management IMO. It's an ideal situation. You have a veteran CB who can play competent CB at the spot if he starts, he can work with the younger guys and help them, and his contract isn't so crushing that if the young guy(s) start to outperform them this year, you can bench or even cut the vet and definitely dump him at the end of the year.

It will never happen because like most things, the Cowboys overvalue what they have at CB. They really like Brown and think he's a legit outside CB for the role they will ask of him. So like you said, he'll play out there, get toasted and they'll hope that one of Joseph and Wright gets good quickly and can eventually supplant him this season at some point.

 

[quickccc]

It's two prospects. Diggs is already starting. So Sherman (or Nelson - another guy I'd consider) wouldn't block Diggs.

Lewis is a starting slot CB so he has really no impact on the other outside CB spot. Brown is just blah. He's a dime a dozen CB at this point.

Joseph is talented but raw. Wright might be even more raw than Joseph. The concept of not blocking them is bizarre because it's quite possible both won't be ready to play to start this season or maybe even at all this season given the work they will have to put in. So if you could bring in a Sherman or Nelson type on a deal where you can cut bait after one year, that's just smart roster management IMO. It's an ideal situation. You have a veteran CB who can play competent CB at the spot if he starts, he can work with the younger guys and help them, and his contract isn't so crushing that if the young guy(s) start to outperform them this year, you can bench or even cut the vet and definitely dump him at the end of the year.

It will never happen because like most things, the Cowboys overvalue what they have at CB. They really like Brown and think he's a legit outside CB for the role they will ask of him. So like you said, he'll play out there, get toasted and they'll hope that one of Joseph and Wright gets good quickly and can eventually supplant him this season at some point.

Sherman’s arrival would not pose a threat to Diggs’ spot.
Cowboys are clearly sold on Diggs as a starter. It would be the opposite side at RCB where Brown is predicted to start the season.

Sure as we’ve changed DC’s but with drafting two CBs high rounds, same way they didn’t have any qualms about Diggs starting as a rookie, they may not have any qualms about the other CB side.
Which would include two rookies .

Didn’t Brown have to start outside last year while Diggs recovered from a broken foot bone ? That could be a reason why they could open with Brown as an outside CB, ….and surprisingly we retained last year’s DB coach in Al Harris so he’s a step up on knowing what Brown and Lewis can … or cannot do.

 

[starfan1]

Ya but how long are them arms

 

[Cowboyny]

It's two prospects. Diggs is already starting. So Sherman (or Nelson - another guy I'd consider) wouldn't block Diggs.

Lewis is a starting slot CB so he has really no impact on the other outside CB spot. Brown is just blah. He's a dime a dozen CB at this point.

Joseph is talented but raw. Wright might be even more raw than Joseph. The concept of not blocking them is bizarre because it's quite possible both won't be ready to play to start this season or maybe even at all this season given the work they will have to put in. So if you could bring in a Sherman or Nelson type on a deal where you can cut bait after one year, that's just smart roster management IMO. It's an ideal situation. You have a veteran CB who can play competent CB at the spot if he starts, he can work with the younger guys and help them, and his contract isn't so crushing that if the young guy(s) start to outperform them this year, you can bench or even cut the vet and definitely dump him at the end of the year.

It will never happen because like most things, the Cowboys overvalue what they have at CB. They really like Brown and think he's a legit outside CB for the role they will ask of him. So like you said, he'll play out there, get toasted and they'll hope that one of Joseph and Wright gets good quickly and can eventually supplant him this season at some point.

We also have to take in account the cap and the numbers at the position. Diggs, Joseph, Wright, Lewis (this yr) are roster locks. Teams usually keep 5 corners, that would leave the last spot for Brown who can play either inside or out. Who are we cutting to make room for another corner?

Brown has beaten Lewis out as the team's nickel corner under 3 different DC's. He has more value as he also can play on the outside, where Lewis has just been a nickel corner only. Neither are long-term pieces or apart of the future core.

 

[kskboys]

We also have to take in account the cap and the numbers at the position. Diggs, Joseph, Wright, Lewis (this yr) are roster locks. Teams usually keep 5 corners, that would leave the last spot for Brown who can play either inside or out. Who are we cutting to make room for another corner?

Brown has beaten Lewis out as the team's nickel corner under 3 different DC's. He has more value as he also can play on the outside, where Lewis has just been a nickel corner only. Neither are long-term pieces or apart of the future core.

I don't remember Lewis getting a chance at playing outside.

 

[Cowboyny]

I don't remember Lewis getting a chance at playing outside.

Did early in his career, but that was more due to injury at the position. Quinn will feel the same due to Lewis lack of length.

 

[jterrell]

Jourdan Lewis signed a three-year, $13.5 million contract with the Cowboys. Lewis has $7.75 million in guarantees of which $4.75 million is guaranteed at signing. Lewis received a $3.5 million signing bonus and his 2021 salary is guaranteed. You think that's a good deal?

Yes. Starting slots make about 4-6M a year. He came in under that to fill that role.

Chido got 3 years and 21M.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes. Starting slots make about 4-6M a year. He came in under that to fill that role.

Chido got 3 years and 21M.

Thank you

 

[CowboyJ70]

It's two prospects. Diggs is already starting. So Sherman (or Nelson - another guy I'd consider) wouldn't block Diggs.

Lewis is a starting slot CB so he has really no impact on the other outside CB spot. Brown is just blah. He's a dime a dozen CB at this point.

Joseph is talented but raw. Wright might be even more raw than Joseph. The concept of not blocking them is bizarre because it's quite possible both won't be ready to play to start this season or maybe even at all this season given the work they will have to put in. So if you could bring in a Sherman or Nelson type on a deal where you can cut bait after one year, that's just smart roster management IMO. It's an ideal situation. You have a veteran CB who can play competent CB at the spot if he starts, he can work with the younger guys and help them, and his contract isn't so crushing that if the young guy(s) start to outperform them this year, you can bench or even cut the vet and definitely dump him at the end of the year.

It will never happen because like most things, the Cowboys overvalue what they have at CB. They really like Brown and think he's a legit outside CB for the role they will ask of him. So like you said, he'll play out there, get toasted and they'll hope that one of Joseph and Wright gets good quickly and can eventually supplant him this season at some point.

100% agree. They overvalue what they have at CB and will get burned by it. CB is my #1 worry about this team.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Most teams want their slot CB to have near 4.3 speed, because the slot receiver has a lot of green to play with laterally. So most slot CB's will get beat off the line of scrimmage and need catchup speed to make a play. Brown has been the slot CB, here recently, because of his speed. But Lewis is the better playmaker, IMO.

So I guess the question is, which skillset would you rather our slot CB exhibit? A guy with top end speed like Brown or a playmaker like Lewis? Having top end speed at ever position in the secondary won't guarantee you a helluva unit. But having playmakers at every position in the secondary will guarantee you more turnovers. Donovan Wilson, Jourdan Lewis, and Trevon Diggs sounds like the start of something special, to me.


Playmakers, playmakers, playmakers.

 

[chagus]

Thats why he has value, that is his true value.

Jordan "The Hardware Store" Lewis?

 

[kskboys]

Did early in his career, but that was more due to injury at the position. Quinn will feel the same due to Lewis lack of length.

Might not be true. Lewis has very long arms for his height, so he has the ability to play as taller guy.

 

[Cowboyny]

Might not be true. Lewis has very long arms for his height, so he has the ability to play as taller guy.

He has been viewed as an inside guy only by 3 other DC's, there has been zero mention from Quinn that he envisions Lewis playing on the outside, either.