This is the deal with Goodell

[40yrpatsfan]

I'm basing it on:

1. What the PSI of the footballs was at halftime.

2. The texts of McNally and Jastremski showing over an 8 month period that they were deflating footballs at the request of Brady for payment.

3. The video of McNally sneaking off to the bathroom with the footballs. This showed how he did it and how he had time to do it as well as him breaking the protocol (and common sense) with dealing with the footballs.

It was a haphazardly done investigation because when you are accusing somebody of something like cheating and that person wields a lot of power and fame, they are going to hire people to try and poke any hole they can in the investigation.

I don't know if it was something that Goodell didn't take seriously or was just flat out incompetency, but as I mentioned the best way to do it was to record what the footballs PSI were at prior to the game instead of just checking to see if they were within 12.5 to 13.5 PSI. This would further solidify the case because when you had footballs at greater than 11.5 PSI...there was potentially a good explanation for it if they were greater than 13.0 PSI to start off with.

But, not one single scientist or any of Tom Brady's obsequious lapdogs can explain the 10.5, 10.7 and 10.8 PSI readings of the footballs. We all agree that the footballs had to be at least 12.5 PSI prior to the investigation and all of the scientists and their projections and simulations have the footballs dropping 1.0 PSI. But, if he had 1 football deflated...he cheated. It has nothing to do with the average PSI of the footballs.

When I combine the texts, the PSI readings and the video of McNally sneaking off to the bathroom, it is beyond a reasonable doubt to me that Brady had those footballs deflated.

Bring Mortensen's erroneous report in is just a smokescreen that has nothing to do with the case on hand.

YR

1) The psi's were within the range of normal. They balls started the game at 12.5. The temps and wetness accounted for at least a full psi according to the scientific community, so 11.5 was the expected result, although the NFL halftime testers didn't know that. Also, Wells distorted the comparison another .5 psi by refusing to accept Walt Coleman's recollection that he used Gauge A vs Gauge B pre-game; the 2 gauges were calibrated .5 psi different from each other. So now you're at 11.0 as the expected result if you plug in Gauge B. The worst NE footballs were only a little under that. Also, the halftime testers only measured 5 or so of the 14 Colts balls, then stopped after 3 of them also measured under 12.5; plus all of Indy's were measured 15-20 minutes later than NE's, which raised their pressures. So there was no statistical difference to Indy's balls that can be proven. Plus there was no documentation of either team's starting psi's, only the halftime results. Any real judge would have thrown that "evidence" out the window in 2 seconds.

2) the text Wells found incriminating, where one guy called the other Deflator, was from 8 months prior, not "over an 8 month period". It was in May, the previous offseason. And there was never any mention of "payment", only references to free autographed items that Brady and most other stars routinely do for all their locker room guys.

3) McNally went to the john, bfd. It's a pretty big leap to conjure up that he used the trip to release air out of the balls (14 footballs in 90 seconds, no less).

The point is that 2 and 3 mean nothing if 1 is junk. If one guy calls a buddy "Killer", and then his wife disappears, and then there's video of the 2 of them going into the woods, and then the murder trial begins, and then the wife re-appears healthy as ever, is there a case? Obviously not. That's what we had with Deflategate. Once the truth came out that the balls weren't as low as leaked, and these other factors became known about the weather etc., the case gets dismissed in the real world. And then the DA goes after the accuser for obstruction of justice and several other crimes that RG actually belongs in jail for.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

1) The psi's were within the range of normal. They balls started the game at 12.5. The temps and wetness accounted for at least a full psi according to the scientific community, so 11.5 was the expected result, although the NFL halftime testers didn't know that. Also, Wells distorted the comparison another .5 psi by refusing to accept Walt Coleman's recollection that he used Gauge A vs Gauge B pre-game; the 2 gauges were calibrated .5 psi different from each other. So now you're at 11.0 as the expected result if you plug in Gauge B. The worst NE footballs were only a little under that. Also, the halftime testers only measured 5 or so of the 14 Colts balls, then stopped after 3 of them also measured under 12.5; plus all of Indy's were measured 15-20 minutes later than NE's, which raised their pressures. So there was no statistical difference to Indy's balls that can be proven. Plus there was no documentation of either team's starting psi's, only the halftime results. Any real judge would have thrown that "evidence" out the window in 2 seconds.

We don't know that the footballs started at 12.5 PSI. We just know that the footballs were within the 12.5 to 13.5 PSI range which McNally supposedly agreed with. The Brady lapdogs keep saying it was at 12.5 PSI with no evidence that they were.

And it still does not explain the footballs found at 10.5, 10.7 and 10.8 PSI. Those are outside the projected range with the margin for error. The 11.33 mean PSI was not. But this is the final time I will explain it to you...if he cheated on 1 football...he cheated. Point blank. You cannot use the mean to determine his cheating. It's just a inane as stating that because they won, he didn't cheat.

2) the text Wells found incriminating, where one guy called the other Deflator, was from 8 months prior, not "over an 8 month period". It was in May, the previous offseason. And there was never any mention of "payment", only references to free autographed items that Brady and most other stars routinely do for all their locker room guys.

W-R-O-N-G.

Here's what he said:

http://time.com/3849688/deflategate-text-messages-patriots-tom-brady/

Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week

McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday

And sneakers are a form of payment. I guess you'll try to claim that 'newkicks' doesn't mean sneakers now since you just continue to make up nonsense.

3) McNally went to the john, bfd. It's a pretty big leap to conjure up that he used the trip to release air out of the balls (14 footballs in 90 seconds, no less).

I said he went to the bathroom.

And all he has to do is deflate ONE football...and it's cheating.

This ain't about Chris Mortensen and this ain't about any other asinine excuses you've made.

There were footballs that were deflated beyond the normal range. Brady nor any of his lemmings can explain how some of those footballs were beyond the normal range even if they started at 12.5 PSI (which I find very unlikely). The texts show a pattern of behavior where Brady requested deflating to be done and paid people to do so. When he was late with the payment, McNally was furious.

And the video shows how and when he could do it.




YR

 

[timb2]

Exactly. The whole Goodell/Kraft rift is a facade, played up only in public eye and via shills through the media. Behind the scenes there is a tight relationship there. Has anything Goodell ever done that hurt the Pats when it mattered? Nope. Every so-called "punishment" has been skillfully contrived not to impact the Pats too much. He even destroyed the evidence of Spygate. The Pats have been involved with multiple integrity violations in the game, yet they've been to seven Super Bowls in sixteen years, winning five of them (losing only to Mara's Giants). The Goodell/Kraft family relationship goes back a generation. Goodell even went to Israel of all places to show his support for Kraft. It makes me smirk when people think Brady/Kraft "handed" it to Goodell last year. There is a mutually beneficial underlying deception there if you look beneath the superficiality.

The media went harder after Greg Hardy as soon as he had a star on the side of his helmet.... Why no news of Tyreek Hill being a scumbag and kicking his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach 24/7???

 

[xwalker]

There actually were many top scientific sources that said they deflation could have been natural but RG ignored it...just as OP stated. Just saying...

I followed all of that back then.

It's a matter of how you define possible. It's possible to win the lottery but unlikely.

It was unlikely for a ball to drop pressure as much as those balls even with a significant temperature change. It was even less likely considering the temperature was not overly cold on the field.

IIRC most considered it possible but unlikely that a given ball would have that much of a pressure drop. That might have been OK to say it was natural causes if 1 ball had been measured with a significant pressure drop; however, multiple balls were measured with a pressure drop which now puts the probability at near zero that it happened naturally.

The other issue is that the Patriots balls had dropped by about 10%, IIRC; whereas, the Colts balls had dropped by less than 1% on average. It don't remember the exact percentages but it was similar to what I described.

Add in that the ball boys discussed ball pressure in text messages AND Brady destroyed his cell phone.

Again it gets into probability. Yes, some people might destroy their cell phones but what is the probability that it happened at the exact time of an investigation.

Same with the ball boy's texts. If they do this all the time, would they really discuss something as routine as ball pressure via texts for every game? Maybe, but again there's a higher probability that they would be discussing it, if it's a "special" issue instead of a routine issue.


The Brady issue and the Zeke issue don't appear to be remotely in the same ballpark in terms of probability that it happened. With Brady the probability that it didn't happen is similar to the probability of winning the lottery. With the Zeke the probably that it did happen is similar to winning the lottery.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

We don't know that the footballs started at 12.5 PSI. We just know that the footballs were within the 12.5 to 13.5 PSI range which McNally supposedly agreed with. The Brady lapdogs keep saying it was at 12.5 PSI with no evidence that they were.

And it still does not explain the footballs found at 10.5, 10.7 and 10.8 PSI. Those are outside the projected range with the margin for error. The 11.33 mean PSI was not. But this is the final time I will explain it to you...if he cheated on 1 football...he cheated. Point blank. You cannot use the mean to determine his cheating. It's just a inane as stating that because they won, he didn't cheat.

W-R-O-N-G.

Here's what he said:

http://time.com/3849688/deflategate-text-messages-patriots-tom-brady/

Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week

McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday

And sneakers are a form of payment. I guess you'll try to claim that 'newkicks' doesn't mean sneakers now since you just continue to make up nonsense.

I said he went to the bathroom.

And all he has to do is deflate ONE football...and it's cheating.

This ain't about Chris Mortensen and this ain't about any other asinine excuses you've made.

There were footballs that were deflated beyond the normal range. Brady nor any of his lemmings can explain how some of those footballs were beyond the normal range even if they started at 12.5 PSI (which I find very unlikely). The texts show a pattern of behavior where Brady requested deflating to be done and paid people to do so. When he was late with the payment, McNally was furious.

And the video shows how and when he could do it.

YR

How do you go from that text exchange to Brady doing or saying anything??? Brady isn't even texting there, it's 2 other guys. It's no wonder you've been duped so badly. I look at it and see 2 half-wits cracking bad jokes at each other as friends, nothing more. In the offseason, way before the game in question.

I'll do the math for you again:
- onto the field at 12.5
- minus 1.0 psi for cold (25-30 degree diff between locker room and field)
- minus 0.5 psi for Wells insisting on using the wrong gauge as the pregame basis, despite Coleman saying otherwise
= 11.0 halftime measure, which is right around where all the balls were. Also any particular ball that may gotten wetter than the others would measure lower, as leather expands when wet. And it rained throughout that game

Case closed.

Mortenson is only relevant by showing what bald-faced liars they are 345 Park Avenue, NY. That was just 1 example, they lied and misled at least a dozen other time as well. Get ready for more of that if the Elliott case is appealed or goes to a judge.

The whole premise that Brady would conspire with low level ball boys, one of whom he didn't know well at all, to take 1 psi off the footballs, is so preposterous on so many levels that nobody should ever have let this thing gain steam. Rozelle or Tags would have seen and known that, but not this brainless dbag of a commissioner.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

How do you go from that text exchange to Brady doing or saying anything???

Jastremski is asking McNally to deflate footballs on the behest of Brady. McNally wants payment.

Jastremski was speaking for Tom because Tom wanted him to tell McNally to deflate the footballs. How this alludes you shows your willful ignorance.

I look at it and see 2 half-wits cracking bad jokes at each other as friends, nothing more. In the offseason, way before the game in question.

Of course...you were there one that claimed there was no discussion of cash.

And you are the one that claimed passing sneakers along wasn't a payment.

I showed that they did discuss cash and it's a moot point anyway because giving somebody sneakers is a form of payment.

I'll do the math for you again:
- onto the field at 12.5

You don't know if they were at 12.5 PSI. It's an assumption.

- minus 1.0 psi for cold (25-30 degree diff between locker room and field)
- minus 0.5 psi for Wells insisting on using the wrong gauge as the pregame basis, despite Coleman saying otherwise
= 11.0 halftime measure, which is right around where all the balls were. Also any particular ball that may gotten wetter than the others would measure lower, as leather expands when wet. And it rained throughout that game

Case closed.

Wrong-o!

There were footballs at 10.5, 10.7 and 10.8 PSI. Those are below the 11.0 measurement which includes the projected PSI drop and the margin for error.

Again, cheat on 1 football...you cheated. Period. Case closed.

YR

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I know longer care about deflate gate. I've moved on. It's time for all fans to ban against Goodell.

 

[Corso]

He's turning the NFL into a reality show and a bad one at that.

Hard Knocks and the Kardashians, baby... It turned the NFL on to what brings ratings. Conflict and anger. You don't like what the NFL did to your team? Well I will enjoy it when my team shoves it down your throat, Mr. Goodell!


Boom! Ratings.

 

[Corso]

Hard Knocks and the Kardashians, baby... It turned the NFL on to what brings ratings. Conflict and anger. You don't like what the NFL did to your team? Well I will enjoy it when my team shoves it down your throat, Mr. Goodell!


Boom! Ratings.

You know the nightly news was considered a ratings anchor, but necessary until 60 Minutes came onto the scene with their style of reporting and all of a sudden- The news, if reported a certain way, brings crazy ratings!

Think about that.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I know longer care about deflate gate. I've moved on. It's time for all fans to ban against Goodell.

Jastremski is asking McNally to deflate footballs on the behest of Brady. McNally wants payment.

Jastremski was speaking for Tom because Tom wanted him to tell McNally to deflate the footballs. How this alludes you shows your willful ignorance.

Of course...you were there one that claimed there was no discussion of cash.

And you are the one that claimed passing sneakers along wasn't a payment.

I showed that they did discuss cash and it's a moot point anyway because giving somebody sneakers is a form of payment.

You don't know if they were at 12.5 PSI. It's an assumption.

Wrong-o!

There were footballs at 10.5, 10.7 and 10.8 PSI. Those are below the 11.0 measurement which includes the projected PSI drop and the margin for error.

Again, cheat on 1 football...you cheated. Period. Case closed.

YR

Those numbers 10.5 to 10.8 are within the range of 11. There would have been no case if it was just about a .5 psi difference, even if all 14 were that low (and they weren't). And the first thing any statistician or scientist would do in this scenario is throw away the highest and lowest readings as outliers, so 11 is dead on.

I'm sorry you wasted so much time researching a false story. You weren't the only one, you were duped by the godfather of lying and innuendo, RG.

This thread was to shed light on how Goodell operates, using Deflategate as a recent example, not to re-argue Deflategate details. Trust me, Brady was innocent and look what the NFL did to him. That's what your guy is up against.

 

[Miller]

I followed all of that back then.

It's a matter of how you define possible. It's possible to win the lottery but unlikely.

It was unlikely for a ball to drop pressure as much as those balls even with a significant temperature change. It was even less likely considering the temperature was not overly cold on the field.

IIRC most considered it possible but unlikely that a given ball would have that much of a pressure drop. That might have been OK to say it was natural causes if 1 ball had been measured with a significant pressure drop; however, multiple balls were measured with a pressure drop which now puts the probability at near zero that it happened naturally.

The other issue is that the Patriots balls had dropped by about 10%, IIRC; whereas, the Colts balls had dropped by less than 1% on average. It don't remember the exact percentages but it was similar to what I described.

Add in that the ball boys discussed ball pressure in text messages AND Brady destroyed his cell phone.

Again it gets into probability. Yes, some people might destroy their cell phones but what is the probability that it happened at the exact time of an investigation.

Same with the ball boy's texts. If they do this all the time, would they really discuss something as routine as ball pressure via texts for every game? Maybe, but again there's a higher probability that they would be discussing it, if it's a "special" issue instead of a routine issue.


The Brady issue and the Zeke issue don't appear to be remotely in the same ballpark in terms of probability that it happened. With Brady the probability that it didn't happen is similar to the probability of winning the lottery. With the Zeke the probably that it did happen is similar to winning the lottery.

While I enjoy a well written post and respect your opinion, here is an article by two professors of mechanical engineering at MIT who dispute your theory and probabilities . It's as detailed and scientific as you'll find including measurements. This alone shows that RG doesn't care about smart, real other theories.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/04/tom-brady-deflategate-ideal-gas-law

For the conditions of the 2015 AFC Championship Game, using Gay-Lussac’s law we can compute that the Patriots’ footballs should have had an on-field pressure of 11.32 psig, or pounds-per-square inch gauge pressure. This is assuming pregame inflation to 12.5 psig in a 71°F locker room, with an on-field temperature of 48°F. (With the Rankine scale, the locker room temperature was 460 + 71 = 531°R and the field temperature was 460 + 48 = 508°R.) The details of the computation are as follows (I encourage you to try it yourself with a calculator):

(12.5+14.7)*(460+48)/(460+71)-14.7 =11.32

where:

12.5 = starting Patriots’ gauge pressure in psig

14.7 = atmospheric pressure (add this to psig to get absolute pressure)

460 = add this to degrees Fahrenheit to get absolute temperature (Rankine scale)

71 = locker room temp, in degrees Fahrenheit

48 = field temperature, in degrees Fahrenheit

The ratio of the two absolute temperatures, (508°R / 531°R = 0.9567) is about 95.7%, meaning that, in absolute terms, the temperature fell by 4.3% from locker room to field. Therefore, the absolute pressure in the footballs should also fall by 4.3%, from 27.2 psi to about 26.02 psi. Subtract 14.7 psi from this last number and you get 11.32 psig, the predicted on field relative pressure for the Patriots' footballs.

Now let’s compare this prediction to the measurements. Using the Logo gauge, the values for the Patriots’ footballs were 11.80, 11.20, 11.50, 11.00, 11.45, 11.95, 12.30, 11.55, 11.35, 10.90 and 11.35 psig. The average of these values is 11.49 psig. Notice that eight of the eleven measured values are greater than the predicted pressure of 11.32 psig.

Accounting for an additional drop in pressure from some balls being wet, the agreement between prediction (11.32 psig) and observation (11.49 psig) is remarkably good. The difference of 0.17 psi is in line with the amount of warming that would be expected to occur during the measurement process, especially when one accounts for the fact that the Patriots’ footballs were kept in a bag before being measured during halftime. The agreement is especially compelling to me in light of the fact that the calibration of the cheap pressure gauges used by the referee can drift substantially over time. For example, Figure 12 in Exponent’s report shows that the calibration of the two gauges shifted in the relevant pressure range by about 0.1 psi over the course of just a few days. Figures 5 and 6 show that even brand new gauges can exhibit a pretty wide range of values when measuring the same pressure.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would be more accepting of the Elliott suspension if there was actually an arrest and conviction. When the DA office can't come up with any evidence and you have sworn avadavat that this woman asked other to lie I can't see in any way shape or form the league can hand down a 1 game suspension let alone a 6 game. They claim the photos of abuse? I saw those photos and frankly they prove nothing. We know this woman was in an altercation with another woman and sustaining bruises be it from that altercation or else where is not far fetched. Hell I got bruises and no one has assaulted me.

 

[xwalker]

While I enjoy a well written post and respect your opinion, here is an article by two professors of mechanical engineering at MIT who dispute your theory and probabilities . It's as detailed and scientific as you'll find including measurements. This alone shows that RG doesn't care about smart, real other theories.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/04/tom-brady-deflategate-ideal-gas-law





(12.5+14.7)*(460+48)/(460+71)-14.7 =11.32

where:

12.5 = starting Patriots’ gauge pressure in psig

14.7 = atmospheric pressure (add this to psig to get absolute pressure)

460 = add this to degrees Fahrenheit to get absolute temperature (Rankine scale)

71 = locker room temp, in degrees Fahrenheit

48 = field temperature, in degrees Fahrenheit

The ratio of the two absolute temperatures, (508°R / 531°R = 0.9567) is about 95.7%, meaning that, in absolute terms, the temperature fell by 4.3% from locker room to field. Therefore, the absolute pressure in the footballs should also fall by 4.3%, from 27.2 psi to about 26.02 psi. Subtract 14.7 psi from this last number and you get 11.32 psig, the predicted on field relative pressure for the Patriots' footballs.

Now let’s compare this prediction to the measurements. Using the Logo gauge, the values for the Patriots’ footballs were 11.80, 11.20, 11.50, 11.00, 11.45, 11.95, 12.30, 11.55, 11.35, 10.90 and 11.35 psig. The average of these values is 11.49 psig. Notice that eight of the eleven measured values are greater than the predicted pressure of 11.32 psig.

Accounting for an additional drop in pressure from some balls being wet, the agreement between prediction (11.32 psig) and observation (11.49 psig) is remarkably good. The difference of 0.17 psi is in line with the amount of warming that would be expected to occur during the measurement process, especially when one accounts for the fact that the Patriots’ footballs were kept in a bag before being measured during halftime. The agreement is especially compelling to me in light of the fact that the calibration of the cheap pressure gauges used by the referee can drift substantially over time. For example, Figure 12 in Exponent’s report shows that the calibration of the two gauges shifted in the relevant pressure range by about 0.1 psi over the course of just a few days. Figures 5 and 6 show that even brand new gauges can exhibit a pretty wide range of values when measuring the same pressure.

MIT Location - Cambridge MA

Gillette Stadium - Foxborough MA

Distance from MIT to Gillette Stadium - 40 miles

 

[Miller]

MIT Location - Cambridge MA

Gillette Stadium - Foxborough MA

Distance from MIT to Gillette Stadium - 40 miles

Did you read the article? It was as detailed as can be. Do you really think two math geniuses from one of the top schools in the nation would ***** numbers and ruin their rep? Come one. Ridiculous. They showed their work. It's as detailed as anything out there and not done by message board geniuses

And here is another one where 21 scientists from 10 schools including Stanford, MIT, Penn... agree with Brady


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

 

[xwalker]

Did you read the article? It was as detailed as can be. Do you really think two math geniuses from one of the top schools in the nation would ***** numbers and ruin their rep? Come one. Ridiculous. They showed their work. It's as detailed as anything out there and not done by message board geniuses

And here is another one where 21 scientists from 10 schools including Stanford, MIT, Penn... agree with Brady


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

Calculations are an estimate.

There was no need for calculations when it's relatively easy to replicate the actual conditions from that game and the locker room. They did do that type of testing and it didn't show the pressure drops that were recorded.

There are environmental testing facilities in all major cites in the US. Many products are required to pass environmental testing in these facilities. They are certified and they sign off on the testing. Some of the Universities probably have the equipment themselves. Even if they didn't, it would be relatively inexpensive for them to have had the testing done and would have had exact and certified results.

They've done testing in real games since all of this happened and didn't get the same pressure loss that was measured in the Patriots balls.

The Patriots balls were below their original measured pressure by 6% on average. That number was 3% for the Colts balls. Also the standard deviation of the Patriots balls was 4x the SD for the Colts balls. That is a strong indicator of some but not all balls being deflated (i.e. minimal pressure loss in a couple of balls and significant pressure loss in others when all were subjected to the same environmental conditions).

There was a video of the Patriots Locker Room attendant taking the balls into a restroom for 90 seconds. Interviews with similar employees around the league couldn't find any that said that had ever taken balls into the restroom.

 

[Miller]

Calculations are an estimate.

There was no need for calculations when it's relatively easy to replicate the actual conditions from that game and the locker room. They did do that type of testing and it didn't show the pressure drops that were recorded.

There are environmental testing facilities in all major cites in the US. Many products are required to pass environmental testing in these facilities. They are certified and they sign off on the testing. Some of the Universities probably have the equipment themselves. Even if they didn't, it would be relatively inexpensive for them to have had the testing done and would have had exact and certified results.

They've done testing in real games since all of this happened and didn't get the same pressure loss that was measured in the Patriots balls.

The Patriots balls were below their original measured pressure by 6% on average. That number was 3% for the Colts balls. Also the standard deviation of the Patriots balls was 4x the SD for the Colts balls. That is a strong indicator of some but not all balls being deflated (i.e. minimal pressure loss in a couple of balls and significant pressure loss in others when all were subjected to the same environmental conditions).

There was a video of the Patriots Locker Room attendant taking the balls into a restroom for 90 seconds. Interviews with similar employees around the league couldn't find any that said that had ever taken balls into the restroom.

So you know more than 21 scientists from 10 of the top universities? From my second article. I don't care what nonsense numbers you pencil whipped up, they took all of this and more into consideration and it was ignored by the league. I'm guessing you didn't even read the articles that refute all your saying.

You crack me up considering their is zero proof that the attendant or anyone else did anything but you then state Hardy and Zeke are innocent because of no real proof. You are cherry picking

To further prove their point, the professors obtained field-temperature data for over 10,000 NFL games dating back to 1960, and found that about 61 percent of all games would’ve been played with under-inflated footballs. Accounting for the specific air pressure the Patriots’ footballs were initially set at, they found that 82 percent of the games would’ve had footballs considered under-inflated by NFL rules. As it turns out, the thing the NFL wants to suspend Brady over is an act of nature that happens all the time and nobody ever notices.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why do the players have to give up a lot. I don't buy into that because they make enough money to sit out games. I know the owners are more able to handle a strike but are more greedy and will probably back down quicker.

Auhh, no they won't. IMO, the NFL is all about one thing and that's control. As long as they have control, the government and congress has no congressional hearings. Nobody steps in and changes the design, so to speak. The owners will lose money before they lose control IMO. No question.

 

[Longboysfan]

I ingested reams of info back when all of that was going on.

The pressure difference was more than it would be just from temp changes or atmospheric conditions.

They even checked balls in real games at some point later and none were that low on pressure.

The Colts balls were checked and they had basically not lost any pressure.

There were people claiming science showed it was impossible but I have a background in science and engineering and there was a lot of fake science being bandied about.

The Patriots have cheated multiple times.

Claiming the Patriots don't cheat is like claiming the Cowboys players never get in trouble.

All above is correct - if you read the information on the Wells report.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I would be more accepting of the Elliott suspension if there was actually an arrest and conviction. When the DA office can't come up with any evidence and you have sworn avadavat that this woman asked other to lie I can't see in any way shape or form the league can hand down a 1 game suspension let alone a 6 game. They claim the photos of abuse? I saw those photos and frankly they prove nothing. We know this woman was in an altercation with another woman and sustaining bruises be it from that altercation or else where is not far fetched. Hell I got bruises and no one has assaulted me.

The woman has anger issues. Who knows how many fights she could have gotten into?

 

[Ranched]

The woman has anger issues. Who knows how many fights she could have gotten into?

Shoot, I was fightin' wit her last week at da club.