This is what sound business looks like?

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Nice read and well written, OP. Don't listen to the sour grapes that would rather be miserable than appreciate the write up.

It's not being miserable, its looking at the concepts in a realistic manner. The thoughts in the post are what many people are thinking and true..we needed to shed contracts and not throwing money in FA is needed. But the reality is that it is due to horrible cap management and backend contracts that are finally coming to fruition, not Jerry being smarter or Jason looking him in the eye. They were both part of those players being here to start. We are just in a position of paying the piper. It may work out over time but its not due to some shrewd 5 year plan. Just age and money. Come to Jesus time.
 

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Jerry did not want to cut Andre Gurode. Same for Terrell Owens, Terrance Newman, Roy Williams, Ware, Hatcher, and others.

Garrett won those arguments. He's slowly rebuilt an old, dogged team into a young one. Romo and Witten are the last of the codgers.

Wade had ZERO control of the roster, much like Gailey and Campo.

How do you know this?

If that is the case then was Garrett on board with trading down and passing on Floyd last year? Clearly not
Then Jason was responsible for hiring and then firing rob Ryan in the span of 12 months and hiring grandpa to install a new defense ?

You can't pick and choose the "better" decisions and ascribe them to Garrett while giving Jerry ownership of only bad ones

If you are to take them at their word, they are ALL involved, therefore they are all responsible, therefore Garrett is also (gasp) responsible for the terrible terrible decisions that have plagued this franchise for many many years

There is nothing magical (like looking owners in the eyes) going on right no

You are just clutching at straws
A laudable endeavor but inaccurate IMO
 

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It's not being miserable, its looking at the concepts in a realistic manner. The thoughts in the post are what many people are thinking and true..we needed to shed contracts and not throwing money in FA is needed. But the reality is that it is due to horrible cap management and backend contracts that are finally coming to fruition, not Jerry being smarter or Jason looking him in the eye. They were both part of those players being here to start. We are just in a position of paying the piper. It may work out over time but its not due to some shrewd 5 year plan. Just age and money. Come to Jesus time.
What you see now is rationalization. Now suddenly it is a conscious prudent decision when the reality is that it just likely to have been absolutely necessary.
 

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I've already concluded that JG will be gone after this season and PERHAPS the new coaching regime can use the cap space to mold the team they want. Even though the team didn't plan this by any means, still could work out in the long run (2015 and on)
 

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You cannot execute the plan if you don't have it. And the lack of communication to the fan base about the plan leads me to believe there is no plan.
 

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I think we are essentially getting ourselves in gear if Garrett can't get the playoffs in 2014. If he doesn't accomplish that, I can't imagine him staying. So why bring in a new coach and have him saddled with players that are clearly underperforming from their contract level.

If you look at the cap situation, we could have kept Ware and it would have been reasonable to keep Hatcher if his contract was around $4 million a year and get out of it after 2 years. But, I think Jerry has soured on the idea of 30+ year old D-Linemen after the Ratliff fiasco.

I don't think Jerry's cap decisions were all that illogical or bad since 2010. Many of them didn't work out for various reasons. But I more blame the coaching staff and in Ratliff's case, displaying no integrity whatsoever. It also doesn't help that we've had all of these injuries, particularly to players under 30 years old.

Where bad business decisions were made, IMO, was trading away big picks for Roy Williams. Giving Brandon Carr a large deal and then trading up for Claiborne. Even the Carr and Claiborne deals were not so poor from a very basic standpoint, it's just that overpaying for Cornerbacks appears to be a bad idea these days. It also didn't help that we changed our scheme defensively and Carr and Claiborne don't fit that scheme (probably another reason why paying big $$$ to CB's is unwise).

I'm not sure how much McClay will help. It was embarrassing that the scouts couldn't put 2+2 together and figure out that Floyd didn't fit our scheme. But, the better decision was made anyway.

I just have a large amount of skepticism that regardless of how 'good' the business decisions are perceived, it won't make a difference with Garrett running the show. And had we had a better coach, the record would be better and everybody would perceive these decisions as better. Winning has a funny way of doing that.





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Nice, reasonable post. The easiest way I see us doing better under a different coach is if that somehow had a dramatic effect on the play of our defense the last few years. That's possible, given that JG false-started with Rob Ryan, but it's far from a given given just how snake-bit that defensive unit has been the last two years.
 

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Nice, reasonable post. The easiest way I see us doing better under a different coach is if that somehow had a dramatic effect on the play of our defense the last few years. That's possible, given that JG false-started with Rob Ryan, but it's far from a given given just how snake-bit that defensive unit has been the last two years.

No doubt about the snake bitten part, when your best players on defense are on the bench and not on the field it is going to have a major effect, you just can't replace some of these guys that easy without a major drop off
 

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No doubt about the snake bitten part, when your best players on defense are on the bench and not on the field it is going to have a major effect, you just can't replace some of these guys that easy without a major drop off

It's pretty depressing. And even when they weren't injured, we dropped games we needed early in the year that might have gotten us into the postseason. This team really was very close, under some pretty tough cap circumstances the last two seasons. Then, this year finally, the bottom falls out of the DL because of a combination of contracts and injuries. It's a tall order to get it fixed in a way that doesn't handicap us.

It stinks, because just a play or two in our favor in either of these last three seasons and we'd probably have a very different feeling about the state of the franchise. That's part of why I think Jerry might be taking an even longer view when it comes to who's running his team than most fans think. But it's hard to see us fielding a defense that's significantly better than the awful one we trotted out at the end of last year right now. The DL is in shambles unless we can fill a starting spot or two with more than a warm body here before the draft.
 

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It's been a good while since I've been this proud of my Cowboys. Jerry is earning a reprieve from me, albeit etched in sand, not stone.

Do you sense the calm? Isn't it refreshing for a change?

Reason, temperance, patience, and resolve. These are certainly not the qualities we associate with the back channels at Valley Ranch. We've grown accustomed - behind the landscaped mansion's pretentious façade - to the daily scurried undoings and machinations of Jed, Granny, Jethro, and Elly May. Our sitcom Cowboys are showing signs of refinement.

Lack of dough has had its role certainly, but so has the callouses of multiple run-ins with failed promises and propagandized expectations. There's no more shades of Maybelline to paint this pig's lips with. Time for a new farm animal.

I expect some sweaty palms watched Ware and Hatcher walk away to trumpets in foreign ports, and a few bottles of scotch weathered that ESPN scroll continuously NOT mentioning the Cowboys. Plan or not, that doesn't suit Jerry's fanciful ways, nor does it sell jerseys to the casual Cowboys sheep.

But it does make good football sense, and Jerry seems like he's tuned in, blasphemous and distasteful as it must feel to him. He, Will McClay, and Jason Garrett are executing a plan, of some sort, and that alone is encouraging just to write with a serious face.

Mincey and McClain make football sense. Brandon Weeden makes TONS of sense. Dallas just landed a first-round QB pick as a backup for pocket lint in return. THAT is a good football move right there, regardless of the regurgitations of the non-thinking dregs in the sports media.

And lest you didn't notice, Dallas is suddenly among the teams that HAVE money to spend now, while so many pools have since dried up. The early over-spending spree for flawed players with flawed histories and flawed bodies will not help those teams. Just watch. Those franchises will rue those signings, and their giddy fan bases will soon claim they were against it all along.

Patience very well may land Dallas some productive veteran players at bargain prices. Or, maybe not so much. It matters not, for the answers to what ills lies in the May draft. This is a young man's game, and a quarterback's game, so go get the former to help your latter. Opportunism in the meantime is fine, but don't stray from the youth movement too much.

And then there's Jason Garrett.

Love or hate him, he has looked Jerry straight in the eye without flinching, and done what needed to be done. The culture has changed. The roster has turned, with only four starters remaining from that dysfunctional mess he inherited.

Just watch this draft and the remainder of this free agency. And watch the cap pressure diminish, as this transformation continues. Through the fog, you can actually see a blueprint taking form.

Tough decisions are tense, and needed changes are always uncomfortable. Big pictures are often boring and hard to adhere to, and Christmas never gets here fast enough.

This is what sound business looks like. Nice to see a semblance of it, for once in a very, very long while, even if it doesn't guarantee success in the end. The other way certainly wasn't working.

I stopped reading when I got to the part about our trainee head coach doing what needs to be done

The only thing our trainee head coach does is lose to anybody over 500, either in blowout fashion or by botching simple game management.
 

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It's pretty depressing. And even when they weren't injured, we dropped games we needed early in the year that might have gotten us into the postseason. This team really was very close, under some pretty tough cap circumstances the last two seasons. Then, this year finally, the bottom falls out of the DL because of a combination of contracts and injuries. It's a tall order to get it fixed in a way that doesn't handicap us.

It stinks, because just a play or two in our favor in either of these last three seasons and we'd probably have a very different feeling about the state of the franchise. That's part of why I think Jerry might be taking an even longer view when it comes to who's running his team than most fans think. But it's hard to see us fielding a defense that's significantly better than the awful one we trotted out at the end of last year right now. The DL is in shambles unless we can fill a starting spot or two with more than a warm body here before the draft.

I agree which is why I have said if Marinelli can get this defense playing middle of the pack then it will be a hell of a job by him and his staff. I don't expect to fill all the parts this season. I think we can add and improve and if we can stay relatively healthy we may have a decent defense that can at least hold a late lead in the game.
 

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Don't be fooled. I want to think Jerry has changed his ways but I believe the salary cap has finally caught up with us and we are so strapped with cash that he can not waste money like he is used to.

But I am happy we did not bring back Ware or sign Melton/Allen.
 

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It's not being miserable, its looking at the concepts in a realistic manner. The thoughts in the post are what many people are thinking and true..we needed to shed contracts and not throwing money in FA is needed. But the reality is that it is due to horrible cap management and backend contracts that are finally coming to fruition, not Jerry being smarter or Jason looking him in the eye. They were both part of those players being here to start. We are just in a position of paying the piper. It may work out over time but its not due to some shrewd 5 year plan. Just age and money. Come to Jesus time.

They could have easily restructured a couple deals and gotten to $20+ million under the cap. They didn't.
 

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I stopped reading when I got to the part about our trainee head coach doing what needs to be done

The only thing our trainee head coach does is lose to anybody over 500, either in blowout fashion or by botching simple game management.

...or by futilely trying to outscore the worst defense in Cowboys history.
 

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I've already concluded that JG will be gone after this season and PERHAPS the new coaching regime can use the cap space to mold the team they want. Even though the team didn't plan this by any means, still could work out in the long run (2015 and on)

If Garrett doesn't survive, I'd bet dollars to donuts that you're next head coach is Rod Marinelli.
 

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They could have easily restructured a couple deals and gotten to $20+ million under the cap. They didn't.

That isn't proven. You need takers. In a dream scenario you could restructure everyone. They could but that goes back to the process of what got us here in the first place....throw in some cash, backload..rinse, repeat. Then you are also using that $20 millions for what..signing guys like Allen at 32 and probably overpaying them. Again, Ware is the perfect example. You have a guy heading to 32, eating cap and losing ability. Will happen with Romo. You can't keep doing it. So the realistic answer was they were forced to finally act....age + $$$= liability. It didn't happen because of steely glances and a master plan.
 

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Considering how off base you have been since Ginger got hired, that is a bet that I am 100% willing to take.

So who's the magic coach? Is it Pete Carroll, who failed miserably at his first two stops? Mike Fox, who was a JAG until Peyton Manning showed up? Mike Tomlin? Mike McCarthy? Andy Reid? Jon Gruden, who loved Blaine Gabbert and Brandon Weeden in the draft? Rex Ryan? Gary Kubiak?

Even Jim Harbaugh inherited a team full of top ten picks thanks to years of lousy football.

Blaming head coaches for everything is easy and automatic. Now Jerry? Yes, I'm fully aware of the damage that man has done.
 
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