This is why I'm hesitant to extend Garrett

Zordon

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You give this guy all the resources on offense, draft picks on top of draft picks, two former head coaches on that side of the ball and a 100 million dollar investment at the QB position yet all of our losses this year are due to the offense's inability to generate points due to mistakes or an inability make adjustments in a game plan due personnel or what the defense is doing. The defense with a rag tag bunch is holding their own. I swear I've seen this story before.
 

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if they don't make the playoffs after starting 6 and 1 you wont have to worry about a extension for him or therest of the coaching staff
 

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if they don't make the playoffs after starting 6 and 1 you wont have to worry about a extension for him or therest of the coaching staff
Depends....if we win 10 games...and it is not good enough to get in....do you really think Jerry is going to fire him? Injuries are mounting for this team. At this point...winning 10 games under the current circumstances would be the best season we have had around here in a long time
 

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all teams have injuries the good coaches figure out how to win like the lions and the cardinals have done so I think he has to get into the playoffs starting 6 and 1 or he wont be back along with the rest of the staff and some players
 

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There's always going to be a reason not to extend a guy after back:back losses. Just like there's always reason to give the guy a new 10 year deal after a 6 game winning streak. And it's amazing how quickly the kudos for developing an 'offensive identity' turn into 'stubbornness' or an 'inability to adjust the game plan.'

The bottom line is whether or not the team is winning games at a high enough rate or, if it's losing games, is it losing them because of the HC, or for another reason. I've long been of the opinion that the reason the Cowboys can't quite get over the hump under Garrett has less to do with the coaching and more to do with specific holes in the roster. Now that most of those holes have been addressed, I think we're seeing a better team, overall, which is just what you'd expect. A loss to the Sk*ns and getting beat by a 7-1 AZ team without Romo in the lineup have done nothing to make me suspect there's an issue with our coaching staff.
 
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Depends....if we win 10 games...and it is not good enough to get in....do you really think Jerry is going to fire him? Injuries are mounting for this team. At this point...winning 10 games under the current circumstances would be the best season we have had around here in a long time

injuries are fine. please don't buy into that excuse. look around the league, we have been very fortunate with injuries.
 

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I think right now we are at a very important time for Jason Garrett. Here's why. We get off to a hot start, then we stumble and lose 2 home games in a row. We all know you just have to get into the playoffs and be the hot team. We're at a point where Jason Garrett has to find a way for this team to weather the storm (some bad play, injuries etc), and get it fixed while also winning enough games so we make the playoffs. He needs to find a way to get this team past the poor play, mistakes and injuries and do enough to get a playoff spot ...while keeping an eye and focus on getting everyone hitting on all cylinders at the end of the season. As they say, just one man's opinion.
 

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Garrett has done a good job this year. I missed yesterday's game but read it was a poor day coaching wise.

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Well, Fan4, you saved yourself some frustration -- at times, it was painful to watch, as you can glean from this morning's posts. Weeden played like a rookie, the OL played like they had new personnel, and the D played like they were banged up.

But this was against a good team, and it shouldn't be too surprising.
 

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injuries are fine. please don't buy into that excuse. look around the league, we have been very fortunate with injuries.
I have to disagree. We are missing half of our starting CBs...and say what you will about Claiborne...it was said many times he was having the best camp of the DBs. We are missing 2/3 of our projected starting LBers. Yesterday we played without 40% of our starting OL. We played without our starting QB. Our most consistent DL (Crawford) went down yesterday. What's LEFT of our LBers (McClain) has missed games...and been gutting it out at other times. Bruce Carter has missed 4 games. We did NOT anticipate giving DeMarco Murray 400 carries...but the "situation" at RB has us on that pace. I am sure you can find a team with MORE injuries...but to suggest we are fortunate in that department would be inaccurate in my opinion
 

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I think right now we are at a very important time for Jason Garrett. Here's why. We get off to a hot start, then we stumble and lose 2 home games in a row. We all know you just have to get into the playoffs and be the hot team. We're at a point where Jason Garrett has to find a way for this team to weather the storm (some bad play, injuries etc), and get it fixed while also winning enough games so we make the playoffs. He needs to find a way to get this team past the poor play, mistakes and injuries and do enough to get a playoff spot ...while keeping an eye and focus on getting everyone hitting on all cylinders at the end of the season. As they say, just one man's opinion.

There's actually something to be said for the idea that adversity makes teams better over the course of a season. Hypothetically, we get an opportunity here to adjust offensively to a blitz-heavy game plan, and we take that off the table if we do so it's not a surprise for us later in the year. Hit the bye. Get healthier. Get Lawrence up to speed, some more playing time for Hitchens, and Brent in the lineup. Make a few personnel changes (like more defensive snaps for Patmon, for example. Or more Melton) to keep things fresh on defense. And then run the gauntlet in PHI (whose injury issues are worse than ours by a fair amount), and hit the ground running after Thanksgiving with a shot at being one of the hot teams in the final stretch for once.

Not saying that's going to happen, but I'm pointing out that it could be possible. Think how boring sports movies would be if the good guys just won all the time and never had to overcome anything. Much more satisfying to take a punch or two along the way to prove you can take a punch when you need to.
 

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Well, Fan4, you saved yourself some frustration -- at times, it was painful to watch, as you can glean from this morning's posts. Weeden played like a rookie, the OL played like they had new personnel, and the D played like they were banged up.

But this was against a good team, and it shouldn't be too surprising.

I had to work but heard people talking about how bad the Cowboys played. I've never liked Weeden. They should have a better guy in there.
 

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There's always going to be a reason not to extend a guy after back:back losses. Just like there's always reason to give the guy a new 10 year deal after a 6 game winning streak. And it's amazing how quickly the kudos for developing an 'offensive identity' turn into 'stubbornness' or an 'inability to adjust the game plan.'

The bottom line is whether or not the team is winning games at a high enough rate or, if it's losing games, is it losing them because of the HC, or for another reason. I've long been of the opinion that the reason the Cowboys can't quite get over the hump under Garrett has less to do with the coaching and more to do with specific holes in the roster. Now that most of those holes have been addressed, I think we're seeing a better team, overall, which is just what you'd expect. A loss to the Sk*ns and getting beat by a 7-1 AZ team without Romo in the lineup have done nothing to make me suspect there's an issue with our coaching staff.

I agree with some of your points but even if we had many holes on the roster I do think Garrett did cost us about 2-3 games a year, there were games that should have been won if not for por game management. (pre 2014).

We have a better team this year and the addition of Linehan has been huge IMO, I wouldn’t extend Garrett until after the season but my view of him has changed, I wanted him gone after the 2012 and 2013 seasons but he has done a good job this year, I think he´s likely to get an extension after this year (unless something drastically bad happens in the next 7 games) and I´d be all for it.
 

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Normally a HC should have an extension before his final year, but Jerry does things his way. :rolleyes: Think in the big picture the delay is going to help Garrett.
 

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Garrett has done a good job this year. I missed yesterday's game but read it was a poor day coaching wise.

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Coaching didn't stand out, but the players just got physically beat yesterday. The line lost the battle in the game, and so did the receivers. The QB looked like a camp body rather than a legitimate player.
 

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I have to disagree. We are missing half of our starting CBs...and say what you will about Claiborne...it was said many times he was having the best camp of the DBs. We are missing 2/3 of our projected starting LBers. Yesterday we played without 40% of our starting OL. We played without our starting QB. Our most consistent DL (Crawford) went down yesterday. What's LEFT of our LBers (McClain) has missed games...and been gutting it out at other times. Bruce Carter has missed 4 games. We did NOT anticipate giving DeMarco Murray 400 carries...but the "situation" at RB has us on that pace. I am sure you can find a team with MORE injuries...but to suggest we are fortunate in that department would be inaccurate in my opinion
half our starting cbs? who are you referring to? claiborne? he was only here for a short time and starting b/c scandrick was suspended. c'mon man i can't let you get away with that. he's a nobody on this team. same thing with sean lee. he was hurt months and months ago. team had time to prepare for his departure.

so we've had an injury to durant who is a good player, free to parnell drop off is minimal, and leary for one game. this is not a big deal and shouldn't be used as an excuse for garrett. look around the league, heck just look at our division. skins have missed multiple games without their starting qb, lost tight end reed for multiple games, orakpo out for the year, lost their starting nose, half their secondary including the emotional leader of their team in d. hall.

the eagles just lost their starting qb for weeks, ryan who is the heart and soul of their D for the year, herremans got hurt again and they whether thru the storm when half their oline was out for the 1st half of the season. pro bowler mathis out for weeks, barbre out for the year, lane johnson suspended for a month, and their starting center kelce for 2 months.

we have had it good my friend.
 

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if they don't make the playoffs after starting 6 and 1 you wont have to worry about a extension for him or therest of the coaching staff

Not sure that Jones would bail on the crew even if the season craters in that fashion...
 
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