This offense has to become more explosive!

[cnuball21]

As I thought, they haven't really drafted a fast WR. You can have Simi if you want but it's still true. 4.3 or low 4.4 is to me...maybe 4.5 is fast to someone else, but Dallas has LBs faster than all the pure WRs.

Simi didn’t run at the combine, so this is an inflated pro day time.

Tolbert is the only official one.

 

[xwalker]

As I thought, they haven't really drafted a fast WR. You can have Simi if you want but it's still true. 4.3 or low 4.4 is to me...maybe 4.5 is fast to someone else, but Dallas has LBs faster than all the pure WRs.

As I thought, you would completely miss the point.

The list was of the majority of top NFL WRs.

Draft newbies always over-focus on forty times for WRs and CBs.

The Chiefs traded away Tyreek Hill before winning the 2022 season Super Bowl...

Devante Adams is a top 5 WR but according to you is too slow to be worth drafting.

 

[cnuball21]

As I thought, you would completely miss the point.

The list was of the majority of top NFL WRs.

Draft newbies always over-focus on forty times for WRs and CBs.

The Chiefs traded away Tyreek Hill before winning the 2022 season Super Bowl...

Devante Adams is a top 5 WR but according to you is too slow to be worth drafting.

8 out of the 10 NFL WR leaders in yards last year ran a 4.5 or faster at the combine.

Granted yards isn’t the end all be all for WR eval and there are studs who run slower but I’d prefer we don’t make it a reoccurring thing to find the next outlier.

 

[Cowboyny]

Jerry Rice who is the goat, ran a 4.7 40, long speed isn’t everything. Alexander Wright was a4.2 receiver and never did anything

 

[Mr_437]

As I thought, you would completely miss the point.

The list was of the majority of top NFL WRs.

Draft newbies always over-focus on forty times for WRs and CBs.

The Chiefs traded away Tyreek Hill before winning the 2022 season Super Bowl...

Devante Adams is a top 5 WR but according to you is too slow to be worth drafting.

You thought wrong, I ignored your point because it wasn't relevant to the Cowboys. Teams have speed WRs to take the top off secondaries or they suffer at some point, Dallas is suffering. I didn't say D. Adams or any WRs listed was too slow, you're being silly.

You can talk about newbies, but your not talking about me. You're attempting to flex muscles you don't have. Dallas needs speed and they've implied that recently, I believe.

 

[xwalker]

You thought wrong, I ignored your point because it wasn't relevant to the Cowboys. Teams have speed WRs to take the top off secondaries or they suffer at some point, Dallas is suffering. I didn't say D. Adams or any WRs listed was too slow, you're being silly.

You can talk about newbies, but your not talking about me. You're attempting to flex muscles you don't have. Dallas needs speed and they've implied that recently, I believe.

The majority of top WRs don't run 4.3x forties.

Many good teams don't have a 4.3x forty WR.

You claim the Cowboys WRs are slow based on their forty times. Adams ran a slower forty than the Cowboys WRs. That means that you think Adams is slow.

 

[Mr_437]

Jerry Rice who is the goat, ran a 4.7 40, long speed isn’t everything. Alexander Wright was a4.2 receiver and never did anything

I'm telling you Rice ran faster than that on the field haha. We know being a good WR isn't always based on speed, but if you WR group has no burners in 2023 your in trouble eventually. Now, implementing a WCO will help because it's more about route running and quickness, not necessarily speed. KM was running a vertical offense without much speed, but the scheme should have speed.

 

[Mr_437]

The majority of top WRs don't run 4.3x forties.

Many good teams don't have a 4.3x forty WR.

You claim the Cowboys WRs are slow based on their forty times. Adams ran a slower forty than the Cowboys WRs. That means that you think Adams is slow.

Adams is slow, but I don't think that makes him a bad WR. I think he needs a speed WR on his team to help him out, that's all. I think CeeDee needs a Speed WR to help him as well. All the guys you named are really good WRs it's not all about speed, you right.

 

[xwalker]

I'm telling you Rice ran faster than that on the field haha. We know being a good WR isn't always based on speed, but if you WR group has no burners in 2023 your in trouble eventually. Now, implementing a WCO will help because it's more about route running and quickness, not necessarily speed. KM was running a vertical offense without much speed, but the scheme should have speed.

Jerry Rice who is the goat, ran a 4.7 40, long speed isn’t everything. Alexander Wright was a4.2 receiver and never did anything

Which playoff teams have 4.3x WRs (that play over 50% of snaps) ?

 

[cnuball21]

Which playoff teams have 4.3x WRs (that play over 50% of snaps) ?

In the Super Bowl:

Eagles: AJ, Smith and Watkins were all sub 4.5

Chiefs: Toney, Moore and Hardman all sub 4.5

I don’t think anyone is expecting a bunch of 4.3 WRs but we have to add speed to our offense.

 

[xwalker]

In the Super Bowl:

Eagles: AJ, Smith and Watkins were all sub 4.5

Chiefs: Toney, Moore and Hardman all sub 4.5

I don’t think anyone is expecting a bunch of 4.3 WRs but we have to add speed to our offense.

4.62 ………… Cooper Kupp
4.61 ………… Amon-Ra St. Brown
4.59 ………… Tee Higgins
4.57 ………… DeAndre Hopkins
4.56 ………… Davante Adams
4.53 ………… Mike Evans
4.49 ………… A.J. Brown
4.48 ………… Deebo Samuel
4.46 ………… Stefon Diggs
4.43 ………… Justin Jefferson
4.43 ………… Calvin Ridley

4.44 ………… Simi Fehoko
4.49 ………… Jalen Tolbert
4.50 ………… CeeDee Lamb
4.51 ………… Michael Gallup
4.55 ………… Cedrick Wilson Jr.

 

[Malhavoc]

This team is already starting to show their off-season cards. They’re going to franchise Pollard and they will look to address the other WR position. Will the pony up for OBJ ? Trade for Cooks ? Draft someone early ?

 

[cnuball21]

4.62 ………… Cooper Kupp
4.61 ………… Amon-Ra St. Brown
4.59 ………… Tee Higgins
4.57 ………… DeAndre Hopkins
4.56 ………… Davante Adams
4.53 ………… Mike Evans
4.49 ………… A.J. Brown
4.48 ………… Deebo Samuel
4.46 ………… Stefon Diggs
4.43 ………… Justin Jefferson
4.43 ………… Calvin Ridley

4.44 ………… Simi Fehoko
4.49 ………… Jalen Tolbert
4.50 ………… CeeDee Lamb
4.51 ………… Michael Gallup
4.55 ………… Cedrick Wilson Jr.

I guess I’ll repeat myself too saying 8 of the top 10 yards leaders last year ran sub 4.5 40s so not sure what your list is challenging here.

 

[Cowboyny]

Which playoff teams have 4.3x WRs (that play over 50% of snaps) ?

Their are more successful strong route runners, then elite speed guys in this league. Elite speed is great, but you need to be able to do all the other things well, run precise routes, make contested catches, yards after the catch, etc. You can get away with supreme athletic ability on the college level, but you will get exposed in the NFL.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm telling you Rice ran faster than that on the field haha. We know being a good WR isn't always based on speed, but if you WR group has no burners in 2023 your in trouble eventually. Now, implementing a WCO will help because it's more about route running and quickness, not necessarily speed. KM was running a vertical offense without much speed, but the scheme should have speed.

You don't need burners to be successful, outside of the Dolphins most teams don't have that type of personnel. In the playoffs, we saw Waddle get open numerous times, but kept on dropping the football. Speed is important, but it's not the only thing needed.

 

[xwalker]

Their are more successful strong route runners, then elite speed guys in this league. Elite speed is great, but you need to be able to do all the other things well, run precise routes, make contested catches, yards after the catch, etc. You can get away with supreme athletic ability on the college level, but you will get exposed in the NFL.

Also, change of direction is often a bigger asset than deep speed.

Amari Cooper has NFL average deep speed but his COD ability at 6-1, 212 is as good as prime years Cole Beasley, maybe better.

Mike Irvin and Jason Witten had better ability to make instant cuts than many players with better speed.

 

[Cowboyny]

Also, change of direction is often a bigger asset than deep speed.

Amari Cooper has NFL average deep speed but his COD ability at 6-1, 212 is as good as prime years Cole Beasley, maybe better.

Mike Irvin and Jason Witten had better ability to make instant cuts than many players with better speed.

I agree, short area quickness might be more important. Have you watched JSN from Ohio State? Probably going to run a bad 40 time, but he does everything else very well.

 

[tm1119]

This thread is way overcomplicating things. Good WR’s in the nfl come in all shapes, sizes, and speeds. And that’s all the Cowboys need…good WR’s that can get open and catch the ball.
The fact that the Cowboys had a very productive offense and 12 wins relying on Noah Brown and what’s left of TY Hilton is pretty amazing actually and it’s not difficult to improve on them. Just get better at the position and provide Dak with solid options and we’ll be just fine. No reason to pigeonhole ourselves trying to get WR’s that only fit certain parameters.

McCarthy ran an incredible offense with Jordy Nelson, Devante Adams, and Randall Cobb all with 4.55 speed.

 

[Cowboyny]

This thread is way overcomplicating things. Good WR’s in the nfl come in all shapes, sizes, and speeds. And that’s all the Cowboys need…good WR’s that can get open and catch the ball.
The fact that the Cowboys had a very productive offense and 12 wins relying on Noah Brown and what’s left of TY Hilton is pretty amazing actually and it’s not difficult to improve on them. Just get better at the position and provide Dak with solid options and we’ll be just fine. No reason to pigeonhole ourselves trying to get WR’s that only fit certain parameters.

McCarthy ran an incredible offense with Jordy Nelson, Devante Adams, and Randall Cobb all with 4.55 speed.

Cowboys have to be more flexible in their prototype at the position, they need a good/all around receiver, but not just a specialty type who possesses elite speed.

 

[cnuball21]

This thread is way overcomplicating things. Good WR’s in the nfl come in all shapes, sizes, and speeds. And that’s all the Cowboys need…good WR’s that can get open and catch the ball.
The fact that the Cowboys had a very productive offense and 12 wins relying on Noah Brown and what’s left of TY Hilton is pretty amazing actually and it’s not difficult to improve on them. Just get better at the position and provide Dak with solid options and we’ll be just fine. No reason to pigeonhole ourselves trying to get WR’s that only fit certain parameters.

McCarthy ran an incredible offense with Jordy Nelson, Devante Adams, and Randall Cobb all with 4.55 speed.

100%…good WRs are able to consistently get open and catch the football. Plain and simple.

That being said, it’s easy to look at a lot of the top WRs in football and see a correlation to them being plus athletes. Being fast and quick gives you room for error as a route runner bc the DB has to respect the speed.