This offense has to become more explosive!

[J-man]

It's always hard to grab the true stud skill players when you're picking in later parts of the rounds.
And I 100% agree that we need to get a top flight WR to pair with Lamb. Hopefully one with real speed who can spread the field.
But IMHO, that's the only major upgrade at the skill positions that this offense truly needs.

Re-singing to a team friendly deal or tagging Pollard, Davis and adding a mid round RB is plenty good enough. Zeke staying or going is irrelevant. Now if you're worried about Pollard only staying long term for a huge contract, than by all means draft a top flight RB as early as you can. Don't repeat the mistake of giving a huge second contract to a used RB.

We already have our TE of the future here in Ferg. He's going to surpass a lot y'alls expectations. Add a vet blocker type to the group w/ Hendershot and we'll be good.

But I feel strongly that they must continue the O-line rebuild and I would draft accordingly. Don't get me wrong, I think our line can still be very good, even as is, but only if everyone stays healthy and returns to form. Is Peters even coming back? Is McG? Do we want either of them to come back? Smith; and even Martin to some extent; are on the way out sooner rather than later. And when we lost what depth we had before the season even really got started it hurt us in a big way. I really hope Steele and Waletzko come back 100% and are able to contribute this year. If they do that will go a long way to helping the depth issues. But is anyone 100% confident they will?

Until the rebuild is complete, grabbing a stud O lineman early is just smart management. And even after it's done, picking one fairly early every other year or so is next level smart management. Keep the pool filled with good, young and cheap talent; and it will always be much easier to maintain a great O-line and a good team.

 

[xwalker]

This thread is way overcomplicating things. Good WR’s in the nfl come in all shapes, sizes, and speeds. And that’s all the Cowboys need…good WR’s that can get open and catch the ball.
The fact that the Cowboys had a very productive offense and 12 wins relying on Noah Brown and what’s left of TY Hilton is pretty amazing actually and it’s not difficult to improve on them. Just get better at the position and provide Dak with solid options and we’ll be just fine. No reason to pigeonhole ourselves trying to get WR’s that only fit certain parameters.

McCarthy ran an incredible offense with Jordy Nelson, Devante Adams, and Randall Cobb all with 4.55 speed.

 

[J-man]

I guess I’ll repeat myself too saying 8 of the top 10 yards leaders last year ran sub 4.5 40s so not sure what your list is challenging here.

Adding OBJ and Cooks isn't a bad idea, but it isn't the ultimate fix we need to get over the top. At this point those guys are nothing more than proven vets, who would help, but would do nothing to transform the WR room or impact the offense of this team.

 

[cnuball21]

Adding OBJ and Cooks isn't a bad idea, but it isn't the ultimate fix we need to get over the top. At this point those guys are nothing more than proven vets, who would help, but would do nothing to transform the WR room or impact the offense of this team.

If healthy, they are older vets but both would be clear cut upgrades to the WR position by a large margin.

We just need to do whatever we can to get better.

OBJ / Cooks / Juedy are the best and most realistic FA / trade options to sure up the #2WR spot.

Even if we pull one of those off
Im still looking for a playmaker in rounds 1-3.

 

[J-man]

If healthy, they are older vets but both would be clear cut upgrades to the WR position by a large margin.

We just need to do whatever we can to get better.

OBJ / Cooks / Juedy are the best and most realistic FA / trade options to sure up the #2WR spot.

Even if we pull one of those off
Im still looking for a playmaker in rounds 1-3.

Agreed, they would be upgrades over our current back ups, but not real difference makers. I'd take Juedy over those 2, at lest he still has potential to improve from what he currently is. I'm all for drafting one early, we need a real #2 WR to compliment Lamb and take this offense to the next level.

 

[cnuball21]

Agreed, they would be upgrades over our current back ups, but not real difference makers. I'd take Juedy over those 2, at lest he still has potential to improve from what he currently is. I'm all for drafting one early, we need a real #2 WR to compliment Lamb and take this offense to the next level.

OBJ was a TD machine down the stretch for the Rams in their Super Bowl run and Cooks has put up 1K seasons 2/3 seasons with garbage QB play. Not sure how they aren't difference makers at the #2WR position on our roster. Agree to disagree.

 

[J-man]

OBJ was a TD machine down the stretch for the Rams in their Super Bowl run and Cooks has put up 1K seasons 2/3 seasons with garbage QB play. Not sure how they aren't difference makers at the #2WR position on our roster. Agree to disagree.

Not really disagreeing, as I do think they're upgrades. More like a difference in grading their ability to be real difference makers. Both would ehlp this team, neither would make them great.
OBJ was once a really good WR and did produce on a stacked team 2 years ago. But IMO you have to be concerned about an older vet coming off a major knee injury. And we all know he's been a major league headache almost everywhere he's been.
Cooks was always a solid player, but he was never dynamic or a game changer. IMO he got his recent production by being the only real target they had to throw to.
Again, I agree they'd help, but I just don't think they are what we need to change the team into an explosive offense.

 

[cnuball21]

Not really disagreeing, as I do think they're upgrades. More like a difference in grading their ability to be real difference makers. Both would ehlp this team, neither would make them great.
OBJ was once a really good WR and did produce on a stacked team 2 years ago. But IMO you have to be concerned about an older vet coming off a major knee injury. And we all know he's been a major league headache almost everywhere he's been.
Cooks was always a solid player, but he was never dynamic or a game changer. IMO he got his recent production by being the only real target they had to throw to.
Again, I agree they'd help, but I just don't think they are what we need to change the team into an explosive offense.

I mean what do you consider a difference maker?

 

[J-man]

I mean what do you consider a difference maker?

To me it means a player good enough that make defenses cover him with one of their top DBs and who is very good or dominate when only marked by a jag. One who can make plays even when covered, and having the ability to make explosive, drive altering plays at any moment.

 

[cnuball21]

To me it means a player good enough that make defenses cover him with one of their top DBs and who is very good or dominate when only marked by a jag. One who can make plays even when covered, and having the ability to make explosive, drive altering plays at any moment.

Yea, we have that in Lamb.

We need a rock solid #2.

 

[Cowboyny]

If healthy, they are older vets but both would be clear cut upgrades to the WR position by a large margin.

We just need to do whatever we can to get better.

OBJ / Cooks / Juedy are the best and most realistic FA / trade options to sure up the #2WR spot.

Even if we pull one of those off
Im still looking for a playmaker in rounds 1-3.

Absolutely, this should be their plan, as they can count on Gallup and the bottom of the positional group. It's a priority need even if they add a high-level veteran.

 

[J-man]

Yea, we have that in Lamb.

We need a rock solid #2.

Lamb is that, usually. But at times, he isn't. I think he needs another real threat to be as effective as he can be. Someone at least as good as Amari Cooper. A guy who can run good routes, get open and make the tough catches, especially when needed most.

 

[Cowboyny]

It's always hard to grab the true stud skill players when you're picking in later parts of the rounds.
And I 100% agree that we need to get a top flight WR to pair with Lamb. Hopefully one with real speed who can spread the field.
But IMHO, that's the only major upgrade at the skill positions that this offense truly needs.

Re-singing to a team friendly deal or tagging Pollard, Davis and adding a mid round RB is plenty good enough. Zeke staying or going is irrelevant. Now if you're worried about Pollard only staying long term for a huge contract, than by all means draft a top flight RB as early as you can. Don't repeat the mistake of giving a huge second contract to a used RB.

We already have our TE of the future here in Ferg. He's going to surpass a lot y'alls expectations. Add a vet blocker type to the group w/ Hendershot and we'll be good.

But I feel strongly that they must continue the O-line rebuild and I would draft accordingly. Don't get me wrong, I think our line can still be very good, even as is, but only if everyone stays healthy and returns to form. Is Peters even coming back? Is McG? Do we want either of them to come back? Smith; and even Martin to some extent; are on the way out sooner rather than later. And when we lost what depth we had before the season even really got started it hurt us in a big way. I really hope Steele and Waletzko come back 100% and are able to contribute this year. If they do that will go a long way to helping the depth issues. But is anyone 100% confident they will?

Until the rebuild is complete, grabbing a stud O lineman early is just smart management. And even after it's done, picking one fairly early every other year or so is next level smart management. Keep the pool filled with good, young and cheap talent; and it will always be much easier to maintain a great O-line and a good team.

Can't forget about building the OL, if they want to fix their run game, have to shore up their weak areas. However, we still have to add more skilled playmakers to the offense as well. Noah Brown cannot be our #2 receiver. We cannot expect Zeke to revert to his previous form as well. Time to bring in some new, fresh legs at those spots.

 

[Cowboyny]

Lamb is that, usually. But at times, he isn't. I think he needs another real threat to be as effective as he can be. Someone at least as good as Amari Cooper. A guy who can run good routes, get open and make the tough catches, especially when needed most.

We need an alpha like Hopkins or OBJ, players who will make the tough catches and make plays when the game is on the line.

 

[cnuball21]

Lamb is that, usually. But at times, he isn't. I think he needs another real threat to be as effective as he can be. Someone at least as good as Amari Cooper. A guy who can run good routes, get open and make the tough catches, especially when needed most.

I thought Lamb was a bonafide, top 10 #1 last year. He’s only going to get better.

So what is your solution?

 

[Mr_437]

You don't need burners to be successful, outside of the Dolphins most teams don't have that type of personnel. In the playoffs, we saw Waddle get open numerous times, but kept on dropping the football. Speed is important, but it's not the only thing needed.

Are you saying you don't need a speed WR in your WR room?

 

[Mr_437]

Also, change of direction is often a bigger asset than deep speed.

Amari Cooper has NFL average deep speed but his COD ability at 6-1, 212 is as good as prime years Cole Beasley, maybe better.

Mike Irvin and Jason Witten had better ability to make instant cuts than many players with better speed.

Amari ran a 4.42 that's not average.

 

[Cowboyny]

Are you saying you don't need a speed WR in your WR room?

We need good receivers period.

 

[Malhavoc]

We had Cooper and he wasn’t the answer. OBJ, Cooks, or Jeudy would certainly be upgrades to what we have.

 

[cnuball21]

We had Cooper and he wasn’t the answer. OBJ, Cooks, or Jeudy would certainly be upgrades to what we have.

I think Cooper was the perfect fit…we just had an OL and run D meltdown against SF that year.

Getting rid of him was an awful decision.