This Season has NOT been a success

[trueblue1687]

Improved? For sure. What some of the guys on here fail to remember when fantasizing about the 90's Cowboys is the fact that almost the entire team was built with help from the Vikings and Herschel Walker. That particular trade was one of the greatest in Football history and hasn't been topped yet...even with Ditka and Ricky Williams. Think for a minute before claiming Jimmy Johnson the Messiah. He didn't fair nearly as well 10 years later with the Dolphins, now did he? He had a major hand in using his eye for talent, but JJ went through players like a turnstile. There was no "developing" a player other than QB (and Aikman was riding the pine several times his rook season). They either played well or played for someone else. Enter free agency.

As for the previous 10-6 season under Parcells. Mt opinion is that that is the BEST that team would have ever done. Carter was/is a doper who can't be counted on, no running game or future running game, and poor receiving. To get past 10-6, some things had to change. Some worked out, some didn't. Anybody could put together a Super bowl team if it were as easy as looking in the rear view mirror and saying "he should've done this or that".

 

[kartr]

...the Brady pick will turn out to be the greatest singular pick ever made by any team - Terrell Davis doesn't even come close.

Three SuperBowls, two MVPs, leading the league in passing yardage in 2005 and leading his team this year in which key members are not holding up their end of the bargain.

He is poised to continue with his youth many more years of successful football becasue of the special talent he has for anticipating the game of football from his position.

Of all the QBs in the league he has as good a chance of winning another SuperBowl. This man has the possibility of retiring before he his thirty with less than 10 years in the NFL and still making the Hall of Fame.

Brady is proving singlehandedly that he is the best QB in the entire league and this league is still a QB league.

He is the Joe Montana of his time.

So the fact that Kurt Warner,Dilfer,Theisman,Brad Johnson have won superbowls, but Marino, Bledsoe and Manning have not tells you that the qb is all important. Even a giant talent like Elway needed a good back. How many superbowls would Dallas have won without a rb named E. Smith. Got news for you, neither Brady nor Montana wins anything without their top of the line defenses. The Pats were the most difficult team to throw td's on in 2003 and 2004, they led in ints in 2004 and had more ints than td passes allowed. The Niners were a top 5 defense, every year that they won the superbowl.

 

[iceberg]

I don't understand. You said you were just searching on google or something, and you had found articles talking about it. Just post links - I'm ready to believe!!!!! LOL

Let's say JJ DID get benched for fumbling. Has it helped? He's fumbled less in more carries this year than last. If that happened, it seems Parcells was just teaching JJ a lesson, about the importance of holding onto the ball, something that I'm sure has been done before with young running backs. I have NEVER seen that done with a QB, unless you have two fairly similar options. (i.e. Dolphins last year with AJ Feely and .......Fiedler) That wasn't the case with Vinny last year. I agree that VT SHOULD have been benched, but I can see why he wasn't. If you remember, because of the state of the NFC last year, we were actually not eliminated until like week 15 or 16. What message would Bill have sent to his team by starting a kid who hadn't played football for three years, while the team still had a chance? It's all about winning. I'm sure that guys on the team who knew they were auditioning for jobs wanted the player back there who gave them the best possible chance to win. And Bill Parcells has given me no reason to believe that he will do anything other than play the best player he has, and do everything he can to win.

when i click them they go to pages long since updated or i get the 404 error - in either case it never shows me what the link says is there.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Losers mentality, accept defeat and make excuses for it. We were at 10 wins 2 seasons ago. Just remember my prediction. If we don't change our approach we will be in this same spot or worse in 5 years.

And only a fool doesnt see improvement as success.

2 seasons ago we had Hambrick Carter and Galloway and absolutely ZERO talent other than Glover and Ellis in the defensive front 7.

We have seen a dramatic shift in the way that this team approaches the draft and FA.

Unfortunately it seems some people are afraid of ways of doing things that they are not familiar and suddenly predict doom and gloom despite evidence of success.

We are 9-6 with a chance at 10 wins and the playoffs and we showed in the Denver and Seattle game that we belong on the field with the 'elite' teams.

I imagine that there were people saying that the playoffv loss to Fontes' Lions in 1991 was considered by some to be failure but I doubt anyone would say that now.

 

[superpunk]

who the hell brought carter into this? mixing arguments only results in arguments.

bledsoe for his career doesn't have a good "finish" usually. you can dismiss it here and there, but it's the truth. he holds onto the ball too long, truth.

he has a cannon of an arm - truth. he's an above average qb with a lot to offer, truth. but for whatever reason he does falter towards the end of the season.

truth.

and flo adams doesn't have a thing to do with the long term proven stat.

It seems with kartr, it ALWAYS comes back to QC. Just my observation so far, and that's what I meant with my comment.

I just don't care about Bledsoe's history. This year, I can clearly see why he would have a drop in production. Lots of things were going wrong. I NEVER remember seeing Bledsoe at the top of the efficiency ratings, but this year, when everything was going well, there he was, atop the NFC. The line faltered, not just Flo, but the ENTIRE line, and Bledsoe's numbers suffered. As it is, he might have his best year ever this year.

 

[superpunk]

when i click them they go to pages long since updated or i get the 404 error - in either case it never shows me what the link says is there.

OK, I'll believe you, since someone else remembered it kind of, too. But what about the rest of what I said? I wrote it under the assumption that the JJ story was correct.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Like I told another poster.

Parcells told the players to get their expectations up...

Mine are up, missing the playoffs...been there done that...

I want to see this old dog called the dallas cowboys do a new trick...get into the playoffs.

Again, I bet Jerry and Parcells will tell you it wasnt a success if we miss the playoffs...just a gut feeling...

 

[rcaldw]

And only a fool doesnt see improvement as success.

2 seasons ago we had Hambrick Carter and Galloway and absolutely ZERO talent other than Glover and Ellis in the defensive front 7.

We have seen a dramatic shift in the way that this team approaches the draft and FA.

Unfortunately it seems some people are afraid of ways of doing things that they are not familiar and suddenly predict doom and gloom despite evidence of success.

We are 9-6 with a chance at 10 wins and the playoffs and we showed in the Denver and Seattle game that we belong on the field with the 'elite' teams.

I imagine that there were people saying that the playoffv loss to Fontes' Lions in 1991 was considered by some to be failure but I doubt anyone would say that now.

Well, I wasn't one of those who said that in 1991. I was very hopeful then. I am not now. I like some of our young defensive players, but we have major question marks on offense. Anyway, doesn't do any good to keep arguing. Just check back with me next year. I'll still be here. If the current direction continues, we will see. Would love to be proven wrong. I am first and foremost a Cowboys fan.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Improved? For sure. What some of the guys on here fail to remember when fantasizing about the 90's Cowboys is the fact that almost the entire team was built with help from the Vikings and Herschel Walker. That particular trade was one of the greatest in Football history and hasn't been topped yet...even with Ditka and Ricky Williams. Think for a minute before claiming Jimmy Johnson the Messiah. He didn't fair nearly as well 10 years later with the Dolphins, now did he? He had a major hand in using his eye for talent, but JJ went through players like a turnstile. There was no "developing" a player other than QB (and Aikman was riding the pine several times his rook season). They either played well or played for someone else. Enter free agency.

As for the previous 10-6 season under Parcells. Mt opinion is that that is the BEST that team would have ever done. Carter was/is a doper who can't be counted on, no running game or future running game, and poor receiving. To get past 10-6, some things had to change. Some worked out, some didn't. Anybody could put together a Super bowl team if it were as easy as looking in the rear view mirror and saying "he should've done this or that".

That trade led to us being able to clean up in the 90 (I think draft). The 2005 draft has a chance to rival that haul. Ware Canty Spears Barber Pettiti and Burnett can be considered a cornerstone for the future.

 

[kartr]

Fine.

What has Bill seen from Henson? You really think he looked very 'Brady-esque" in preseason or against the BEars last year?

If Henson was so good, why didn't Brady recommend to Belichik to sign him up for the future. The fact is Henson, the first round talent couldn't beat out Brady the 6th round talent and Houston could have kept Henson and traded Ragone for a low round pick if they thought he was so good. Why can't Henson beat out Romo who Bill is afraid to play?

 

[iceberg]

OK, I'll believe you, since someone else remembered it kind of, too. But what about the rest of what I said? I wrote it under the assumption that the JJ story was correct.

by now i've got 4 headaches and too much cleaning to do. by and large you do seem reasonable whether i agree or not. if it did help jj become a better player, great. but at times i also feel it causes players to resent things and works in reverse. jj just popped out last week again - and many times he ran out of fear to NOT fumble, and it cost us yards.

i loved it when parcells came on board, but i don't like the direction he's going or his overall "a-holeness" to media and players in general.

 

[kartr]

Perfectly said. People are wanting to compare situations like they are even remotely alike.

If you think Bill Belichick would have played Drew Henson this year instead of Bledsoe and fought through a 1-15 season in the name of finding the "franchise" Qb, you haven't followed Bill Belichick's career very much. He didn't do it with Cleveland and he didn't do it with New England. In Cleveland he brought in Testeverde rather than draft and develop a young QB.

In New England he showed that repeatedly he would rather win now with older stop-gap veterans than strip everything down to 1-15 and build around a nucleus of Top 10 draft picks. He had one 5-11 team his first year, and he decided that was enough of that. Here come Roman Phifer, Terrell Buckley and Anthony Pleasant and any other cheap/stop gap measure he could get his hands on.

And Belichick had the same opportunity to get Henson as we did and he passed on him, despite the fact that he played in the same system as Brady in college. That should tell you something.

 

[wileedog]

i loved it when parcells came on board, but i don't like the direction he's going or his overall "a-holeness" to media and players in general.

That has been Parcell's MO since his Giants days. In fact Bledsoe even remarked that Bill has 'mellowed' a lot since he was his coach in NE.

Personally I'm fine with it. The players who Bill rides the hardest seem to respond very well to it - its no accident that many of Bill's former players rush to either play for him again or come to our training camps to help out.

Case in point Aaron Glenn probably could have landed a starting job somewhere. Instead he decided to come play for Bill as a 3rd corner. If Bill was truly such an a-hole to his players, why would he do that?

It also quickly weeds out the dreck like Bryant or Derek Ross.

As for screwing with the media, heck I love that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And Belichick had the same opportunity to get Henson as we did and he passed on him, despite the fact that he played in the same system as Brady in college. That should tell you something.

And exactly how does this pertain to the thread?

Really Im not going to argue with you about what the NE FO did or did not do because at the end of the day we have no way of knowing what they thought or did.

But quit sabotaging the thread with your QB drivel.

 

[wileedog]

If Henson was so good, why didn't Brady recommend to Belichik to sign him up for the future.

Henson is only two years younger than Brady I believe.

Why in the world would the Pats trade for Henson when they already have one of the best QBs in the league at roughly the same age?

And do you really think Brady would lobby for the team to sign someone who could take his playing time like he did at Michigan?

 

[kartr]

you just want me to bust out my sarcasm, don't you???

bledsoe is a mediocre qb who "gets lucky" and in usual fashion he's tanked the last 1/2 of this season.

forgive me, i want more. i want a brady, or many other young opportunities out there to be given a shot. i don't like loading up a qb who's never done it, pack away a nice supply of excuses, and make 1 more run that you could never make before.

you wanna be happy with a qb who's never been there but could be if you agree with all his excuses, fine. but like i said, i want a youthful direction AT QB and a plan around that qb.

that's all.

Well, I think we should go after McNair when he gets released. He plays well,no matter who he faces, so that would make him a good interim qb until we can draft one. Plus we wouldn't have to draft all OL to 'protect him' like Bledsoe.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Well, I think we should go after McNair when he gets released. He plays well,no matter who he faces, so that would make him a good interim qb until we can draft one. Plus we wouldn't have to draft all OL to 'protect him' like Bledsoe.

Why do you want to get another old quarterback in here who has already seen his better days.

You know...I think we are so use to having old guys or baseball players at QB, we just simply dont feel right if that is not the case.

Man, we need to be trying draft one of the QBs in the draft and let em learn behind Bledsoe because make no mistake Kartr, Bledsoe is here next year...you know that right?

Mcnair is a great player but it is time to go young.

- Mike G.

 

[kartr]

Complete myth.

Why did Parcells keep untested late round rookies like Thomas Johnson and Jay Ratliff instead of keeping Leo Carson.

Why didn't Parcells go out and get a veteran RT like Scott Gragg instead of going with a rookie 6th round draft pick like Pettiti?

And why was Peerless Price let go when Patrick Crayton came back from injury?

Exactly. He's willing to play those guys and let them take their lumps cause he believes in them,not like Henson. He knows if he let Henson play extensively, it would completely devalue any trade value for him.

 

[kartr]

I suppose the crap-*** play of the Oline had nothing to do with Drew's decline? Try watching the game. God couldn't have won a game with the protection Drew was getting. What a shock, that when he was actually recieving adequate, not great, protection, he led the NFC in passer rating, throwing to a pair of old men. Quit hating.

It's not hating, his best numbers come against teams in the bottom 10 defensively and his worst numbers come against the good defensive teams. That tells you exactly what he'll do in the playoffs.

 

[Nors]

Henson starting this year and we are 3-12. Henson is also on IR behind this line......

Bledsoe is what this team needed now. Jury is out on Romo. Maybe they think they have their future QB in Him....